Dump yer z560s and Klipsch for these babies!!!

[Davemeister]

the kid pictured on the box looks like he's gonna flip us off.

and he's angry that his hands are so small.

 

[Racketear]

<< The ISO 9002 sold me...I'm in >>




That is jsut an electrical standard. Mean it wont start shooting sparks at your face.

 

[Racketear]

<< Am I the only here that thinks that wattage isn't everything? Buying something for the raw numerical values associated with it isn't a great method of using your money.. that's like buying a video card because it has the highest theoretical output. That's why I think that speakers should be bought (or at least tested) at a place where you can actually hear them. Who gives a damn if they're 8 gazillion watts if they still sound like a fart in a tin can.

My cheesy yamaha 2.1 piece system sounds better than any other speaker regime on the market right now (to my ear).. I don't know what the wattage is, and I don't really care. >>



Well said Usually you pay for quality. The logitechs sound good, but wait a few years. Klipsh is has the best setup on the market now as far as sound, durablity, and you are less likely to get a bum pair. Logitech is logitech will always be a second tier manufacturer. If logitech was a street the would me a main drag as apposed to a private gated road. People that say logitechs will kill klipsch are nuts. The may come close in sound, but in the world of audio it seems you pay 50% more for a 20% increase in performance. I am not trashing on them, they are not a bad setup my friend bought one. The logitechs are the best value for the money. The promedias are alot better in performance.

 

[Corrupted]

since we have so many mathmatical and audio geniuses here who talk about
converting PMPO to RMS

then tell me this you dumb feggot

Infinity Perfect 10.1 subwoofer

350w RMS
1400w MAX

tell me how your little equation works again, please?
moron.

 

[Rapier]

<<

<< You'll have to pry my cold dead fingers away from my Z560's.

Rapier >>




Spoken like a true Republican, sir...I like your style >>



Damn ..does it show that bad. NRA member at that (but I guess you knew).

 

[illuminatus]

<< since we have so many mathmatical and audio geniuses here who talk about
converting PMPO to RMS

then tell me this you dumb feggot

Infinity Perfect 10.1 subwoofer

350w RMS
1400w MAX

tell me how your little equation works again, please?
moron. >>



there were no equations mentioned i dont think.

yup, 1400w pmpo sounds about right for that 350watter

 

[SpeedTester]

Corrupted,



<< then tell me this you dumb feggot >>





<< tell me how your little equation works again, please? >>




<< moron. >>




Dude there isnt any reason to insult someone like this. Get a life

 

[PardonMe]

Corrupted, while on your way to getting a life, take a look at this formula that explains why 350w RMS=1400w Peak.

 

Just FYI, ISO 9002 has nothing to do with electrical standards, as stated before, but is a manufacturing + management certification. http://www.connect.ab.ca/~praxiom/9002.htm

Put me down for 2 dozen. 48.24 surround sound! Whee! (So this is what they meant by wall of sound...

 

[kan3]

infinity rates their subs rather poorly..350rms yes 1400w max..no maybe for 1 min 95% of all good manufactors(which they are considered to be) will not rate with a 1/4 peak ratio...we want to know what the "recommend" max power is not the absolute peak
its also laughable as to how they rate their sensitivity so sad, decent sq subs though

 

[auyong]

DukeOfAnandtech clearly demonstrates his ignorance on this subject and it's sad that so many people think this way nowadays. That is why you see people buying crap stereo "systems" at department stores thinking that they are buying good stuff. When buying a "system" as most would call it, they should first consider the room size and acoustics and then buy accordingly.

People are also obsessed with the power of a system. Who cares whether you have a powerful system or not. The point is you are not going to listen to music with the full 1000W RMS or how many thousand PMPO constantly. For most rooms, 100-150W RMS would serve its purpose very nicely. If you have a huge room, then you would need more power. Also, when an amplifier is playing at PMPO, it would mostly generate noise because it is running at its limit.

However, in defense of having more power, most audio enthusiasts would agree that one thing good about having a high RMS power is the ease of driving the speakers. It is best to match speakers to what their power rating is. But, if you do not have matching speaker and amplifier power, it is better to drive low powered speakers with higher powered amps than driving high powered speakers with low powered amps.

 

[explrsport]

These speakers are in fact 580 watts....however, the rating is not RMS or Peak....it is "WLS"

Also known as, "When Lightning Strikes"

sigh.....memories of the old days, and my SQ+ competition car system....

 

[blahblah99]

like i said, the only way they'll get 500w out of those is to pump up the volume for a microsecond and measure the output for that brief time. Anytime longer than that and the transistors will blow!!!

and I agree with auyong 150%. I'd take a 20W vacumn tube amp over some cheap 500W amp anyday.

 

[auyong]

blahblah99...actually, I'd take a 20W Vacumm Tube Amp over any Solid State Amp anyday! If you've listened to vocals on tubes, you'll be converted too! My friend has a Golden Tube Power Amp (I think 20W RMS) driving a pair of custom made speakers, running Linda Ronstadt LP, and she was like standing right in front of the room lullabying me with songs like "I Love You For Sentimental Reasons" and "Blue Bayou". Damn, that was sweet. Later I listened to my home setup(Onkyo 919THX integrated amp, B&W P5 speakers, Arcam Alpha 1 CD Player), with CD with the same songs, and it sounded bland and dry compared to my friend's system.

 

[ZenerDiode]

This thread brings to mind a particular phrase I happen to like very much. I believe i might have read it off an ATecher's sig...here it goes:

"Winning an argument on a internet BBS or chat room is like winning first place in the Special Olympics--you're still retarded."

 

[illuminatus]

uh... i dont know that....

"AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhh hhhhhhh * fades * "

thank you

* bows *

btw. these are cheap for their 500+ watt of PMPO... i got my current one (which is about 500watt pmpo too for like $30 a while back)

 

[GeorgeJung]

cmon dukeofanandtech stand up for your retarded self, i dont think anyone that dumb should be allowed to mention ananadtech in his name.....

 

[KatLei]

Wow, and all I meant to do when I started this thread was for it to be a joke...

 

[igowerf]

Stick with PMs if you guys are going to argue like this.

I pulled some definitions off a site I found on Google:



<< Peak Music Power Output =
PMPO = Peak Power Highest possible instantaneous power output. The maximum power the speaker can take for a very short time. If peak power is exceeded for more than a few seconds there is danger of damage. Measured in watts. Same as Maximum Power. (vs. as opposed to Rated Power or RMS).
Rated Power The power that can be produced on a consistent level for a long period of time. This is the most effective way of measuring power. Measured in watts. Same as RMS. (vs. as opposed to Maximum Power or PMPO).
RMS Power =
Root Mean Square Power The average, continuous amount of output power. The amount of power the speaker can accept continuously without damage. Measured in watts. Same as Rated Power. (vs. as opposed to Maximum Power or PMPO).
>>



I don't see why there would be a way to convert from one to the other, but then again, I'm no audiophile or electrical whiz.

 

[DumbRedGuy]

<< I don't see why there would be a way to convert from one to the other, but then again, I'm no audiophile or electrical whiz. >>



I agree. PMPO just means the highest attainable wattage for ANY amount of time before damage occurs. There is no way to convert that to RMS. I think some of you got confused with the calculation for figuring the "High" rating for RMS. That is not PMPO. Like someone else said PMPO is an acronym for CRAP.

DukeofAnandTech- Do you really think you could buy POWERED speakers that come out to 410 RMS for nineteen dollars? My call is that they are in the 10-15W RMS range.

 

[PardonMe]

I gave you guys a link already where you can find the technical info on power handling measurement units and technique.

 

[DukeOfAnandTech]

This is funny as hell!!!! Anybody else wanna get in on this? I thought I'd take a study break from my reading to read responses to this. Well, I haven't heard of PMPO, I made the assumption that pmpo was max power. I am correct with the calculations of root 2 for max, but I literally have not heard of PMPO. It's one of them things that the professors neglect to mention since it has very little relevance in the scientific community. PMPO is evidently capitalist lingo meant to lure the uninformed. But I normally look at speakers based on their frequency range and most-importantly how they sound. I rarely EVER blast my speakers so power doesn't matter much to me. The amp in my car is 220W, which i don't care about since it has a very low impedance and extremely low distortion. If my car's audio sounds great, it doesn't matter. Now, I'm sorry for the mix-up on the wattage issue. Won't happen again. Just a reminder to us all how we can get sucked into something when the industry makes terms up.

 

[illuminatus]

* pats duke on the back *

 

[BruinBill]

pad on everyone's back and a kick for everyone on the arse. they are only speakers and specs... nothing big to draw all the fusssss... can't we all just get along ?

 

[PardonMe]

<< I am correct with the calculations of root 2 for max >>



No, you're not. Read the discussion in the link above ... or you'll forever fail the power handling test. I'd hate for you (or your classmates -- since you blame your teacher for not teaching it) to join the industry/market years from now, label your products with asinine performance measures, and cause another PMPO flaming war here at AnandTech.

Now that I've said that, we can all just get along.