Dune (the movie)

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Fayd

Originally posted by: Locut0s
Saw about 1/2 of this again on TV the other night. I have to say the overall effect is just god awful. The over the top characters, acting, writing, rock music, sting (I mean WTF Sting !?!). However at the same time the atmosphere in this movies is just brilliant. As far as dark, dreary, gritty, hopeless atmospheres go this is right up there with Blade Runner. Even the parts it gets wrong in this aspect it sort of still gets right like the silly over the top wardrobes, and comical looking spaceships. Gotta love those David Lynch touches. Somehow it all still works atmospherically but fails as a movie. What are you're thoughts on the film?

PS: I have to add I've never read the books. I'll have to give the original book a try sometime but I have the sneaking suspicion it's not my cup of tea.

if you have never read the book, you have no room to critique the movie.

One of the more elitist statements I've ever read.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: bobross419

Originally posted by: aceO07


What is the source for this information? I thought he was seduced by a Bene Gesserit in order to achieve their breeding scheme. (I've read almost the entire series but only remember Dune.)

Considering you have to be on acid just to make sense of the rest of the books that makes sense =p

Not even close. The original Frank Herbert books are pretty easy to understand. They take many leaps but you can usually fill those in with a small bit of thought.

 

[SlitheryDee]

The first time I watched it I thought it was pretty cool in the atmosphere department, but the plot was indecipherable nonsense. Then I read the book and watched it again and thought it was much better because I had an idea of what was going on. They really do a horrible job of explaining the plot to people who might not be familiar with the Dune universe.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
The first time I watched it I thought it was pretty cool in the atmosphere department, but the plot was indecipherable nonsense. Then I read the book and watched it again and thought it was much better because I had an idea of what was going on. They really do a horrible job of explaining the plot to people who might not be familiar with the Dune universe.

If you read up on the history of the movie you'd understand what happened. It was an utter clusterfluck.

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: Fayd

if you have never read the book, you have no room to critique the movie.

Lol, seriously? I don't care if the book is the greatest thing since sliced bread. If the movie sucks, it sucks. A phenomenal book does not make a phenomenal movie (Or series for that matter, Legend of the seeker, I'm looking at you!).

 

[PricklyPete]

HORRIBLE

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Great movie. Y'all Fail.

Word!

 

[Gooberlx2]

The movie is alright...but it's really hard for me to get past the whole "yeaahhhawww!" "wwrrrrawwww!" sonic/voice destructiveness. It's so unbelievably hokey. I'm pretty sure those weren't a part of the books.

 

[coloumb]

Originally posted by: Born2bwire
http://dropline.net/cats/kitty/dune-cat

The Spice must flow!

LOL..that pic cracks me up every time I see it.

Watching Dune on a tv is like watching Star Wars on a 13" set top. To really enjoy Dune - you need to watch it for what it was originally intended - a theater equipped with a super-oversized [IMAX size] movie screen [or a high-end home system].

 

[bobross419]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
The movie is alright...but it's really hard for me to get past the whole "yeaahhhawww!" "wwrrrrawwww!" sonic/voice destructiveness. It's so unbelievably hokey. I'm pretty sure those weren't a part of the books.

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Kaboom!

 

[HannibalX]

Awesome movie; OP is brain dead.

 

[Blunc]

the "weirding modules" were part of the book but were not described very well, the concept of words/sound having destructive capability was demonstrated in the book similar to the movie.

as stated a long time ago (not in a galaxy far, far away) the movie would need to be 14hrs long in order to protray the first Dune book properly.

I enjoyed the way Kevin J Anderson and Brian Herbert demonstrated in the prequel series how the main/pivotal characters in Dune came to be in those circumstances.

the design of the Hunter-seeker in the movie really didn't match the description/function as protrayed in the book.

 

[Fayd]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

The Baron was the essence of pure evil while Leto was the essence of pure good. It's how the books are written.

The heart plugs was over the top, but maybe it would be something Harkonens would do, if you look at the description of them all over the books, they loved to lord over their people in many ways. Herbert never described the disease as anything more than fat, but who knows.

no, the baron is definitely evil, and leto is simply more good than evil. but he's a shade of gray, not white.

 

[bobross419]

Originally posted by: Blunc
I enjoyed the way Kevin J Anderson and Brian Herbert demonstrated in the prequel series how the main/pivotal characters in Dune came to be in those circumstances.

I've got to agree. I know that a lot of the big Frank Herbert fans didn't like the KJA&BH books, but I thought the Jihad books were fantastic. I remember when I first realized that the dude was starting the Fremen I got chills. Really well done books

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Fayd

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

The Baron was the essence of pure evil while Leto was the essence of pure good. It's how the books are written.

The heart plugs was over the top, but maybe it would be something Harkonens would do, if you look at the description of them all over the books, they loved to lord over their people in many ways. Herbert never described the disease as anything more than fat, but who knows.

no, the baron is definitely evil, and leto is simply more good than evil. but he's a shade of gray, not white.

If you look at everything comparing Baron vs Duke, it's pure good vs pure evil. One inspires loyalty from fear, the other from respect and friendship. One utterly subjugates his subjects, the other inspires them and treats them with a benevolent hand. One destroys his planet for wealth, the other fosters sustainable industry but keeps the planet intact. One is seen as the manipulator and betrayer of the Landsraad, the other is seen as the force of unity against the Emporer in the Landsraad. One is debautched, always seeking pleasure of the flesh and utter misery and pain of his subjects, the other seeks love and happiness. One lives in a tower meant to destroy people's morale, the other lives in an old castle and is seen among is people constantly.

Look at how each treated Arrakis and how one couldn't get a Fremen do even be in the same room peacefully, but the other was able to get Fremen loyalty immediately.

You see, they ARE polar opposites in every respect of the story, the Yin and Yang. It's why Leto was known as "the just". It is also why he was destroyed by the Emporer, because he was beginning to command too much favor in the Landsraad and of his people.

Leto was certainly not cast as a "gray" figure.

 

[nageov3t]

I liked the original, but I thought the Sci-fi movies were better, if only for copious amounts of shirtless James McAvoy.

 

[gsellis]

Full length original is one of my favs. You just aren't a human.

 

[BoomerD]

I read the first Dune novel, and in typical Herbert fashion, it was very wordy and heavily written...but with a fairly understandable plot. (and several plots within the main plot) I enjoyed MOST of it.

That being said, I did NOT like the movie. Too...out there, too...spacey.

(yes, I realize it's sci-fi...that takes place on a different planet...different galaxy...different time, that doesn't excuse the bad casting or terrible set construction)

 

[mattpegher]

Loved the whole series of books. The movie was adequate in protraying the book but like most movies there just isnt enough time to get into the subtleties. It did capture the mood and flavor of the world Herbert created well I thought, certainly much better than any of the remakes.

The latter books are all psychological and would not fair well to cinema.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Fayd
..and the heart plugs? WTF heart plugs? and all the diseases on the baron? yeah...right... he was fat, but not grotesque...

The Herbert narrated version doesn't have that crap, and starts with an illustrated introduction that includes history/back story.


And if I read one more person say they did not like it, you will live out the rest of your days in a pain amplifier!

 

[PrinceofWands]

Absolutely loved the movie, but acknowledge its weaknesses (which were mostly due to bureaucratic crap at the studio and not the film-makers). Had they been allowed to release it as an epic ala LotR, I think it would be even better than it is.

 

[Muadib]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: Fayd
..and the heart plugs? WTF heart plugs? and all the diseases on the baron? yeah...right... he was fat, but not grotesque...

The Herbert narrated version doesn't have that crap, and starts with an illustrated introduction that includes history/back story.


And if I read one more person say they did not like it, you will live out the rest of your days in a pain amplifier!

:thumbsup:

 

[marincounty]

I liked it-Sting dies.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Muadib

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: Fayd
..and the heart plugs? WTF heart plugs? and all the diseases on the baron? yeah...right... he was fat, but not grotesque...

The Herbert narrated version doesn't have that crap, and starts with an illustrated introduction that includes history/back story.


And if I read one more person say they did not like it, you will live out the rest of your days in a pain amplifier!

:thumbsup:

Your name is a killing word. :Q

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

There is absolutely no way one could faithfully adapt the Dune books to a movie. There is just so much inner dialogue and narrative commentary! It would be a nightmare trying to portray that to the masses in a movie. Hell I'm willing to bet 90% of the people that read the books didn't even understand wtf was going on half the time.