Dungeon Siege III - Excitement?

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Avalon

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Based on the Demo, it Completely SUCKED!!!! Chris Taylor should be kicked in the crotch for serving as an "advisor" to Obsidian on this game. At the same time, Obsidian should have any licenses, contracts, verbal promises, or handshakes pulled for the CRAP they are trying to peddle.

How can these two, given all they have accomplished separately for PC Gaming (Total Annihilation, Fallout Series, Neverwinter Nights, Supreme Commander, Dungeon Siege, Baldur's Gate, Planescape Torment, and most of the best RPGs ever) even consider releasing this garbage. Talk about setting PC Gaming and RPGs back about 15 years!

Agreed. It blows my mind how two positives make one of the ugliest negatives I've ever seen in PC gaming history.
 

DaveSimmons

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Based on the demo it's definitely not a $50 game for me, but I could see buying it for $15-20 when there's nothing else I want to play more.

It feels like more of an RPG than Titan Quest thanks to the cutscenes, and the combat isn't amazing but offered some mindless fun.
 

Mem

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I finished the game and to be honest was disappointed with DS3,dumbed down from previous DS games,the camera angles are terrible,no remapping of keys until the patch comes in,no health potions so you got to rely on spell heals or your NPC reviving you,balancing issues with some Bosses as well plus game is not that long.

Good points hmm well story is ok and game was stable,about it really.

Bargain basement game for sure to be honest.
 

you2

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Amazed it coulid be dumbed down further. The original DS were pretty dumbed down even compared to simple games like titan quest.
 

viivo

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I'm just about finished with DS3, and if there's one thing that has grated on me since the beginning, it's the damn commas. Obsidian is known for their writing, but this is a joke. Someone with comma Tourette's went through and splashed them everywhere. Example:

"Yes, that is a problem, that they are doing this. I think, we should go, now and shoot some goblins, at this time."

"There was a time, when people were good. They are not, good, now."

Other than that the companion AI sucks and the combat is too easy. My rifle girl has died once on medium.
 

skace

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Even though I hear the Couch CO-OP can be fun with a few static friends to play through it with. I'm going to wait until this thing price drops, it clearly isn't worth the starting price. How unfortunate. :/

Obsidian is one my favorite devs too.
 

Phobic9

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I'm just about finished with DS3, and if there's one thing that has grated on me since the beginning, it's the damn commas. Obsidian is known for their writing, but this is a joke. Someone with comma Tourette's went through and splashed them everywhere. Example:

"Yes, that is a problem, that they are doing this. I think, we should go, now and shoot some goblins, at this time."

"There was a time, when people were good. They are not, good, now."

Hilarious.
 

apoppin

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I finished the game and to be honest was disappointed with DS3,dumbed down from previous DS games,the camera angles are terrible,no remapping of keys until the patch comes in,no health potions so you got to rely on spell heals or your NPC reviving you,balancing issues with some Bosses as well plus game is not that long.

Good points hmm well story is ok and game was stable,about it really.

Bargain basement game for sure to be honest.
i gotta agree. i just completed it last night since i had a "free" couple of evenings in-between writing evaluations. Fortunately, i got it from Nvidia to evaluate 3D Vision with it (that IS its high point; it looks very good - the best top-down RPG-looking game in S3D, so far).

The camera is a beast - the patch did nothing for it. As far as remapping goes, it didn't matter - i just mashed buttons and got through the game fine. i also didn't pay the slightest bit of attention to the stats (as it was boring and pretty meaningless what you picked anyway - you had your tank and your ranged companion - or the other way around) - they should have had "auto upgrade" it was SO dumbed down (over say NWN 2, for example). i never played the Dungeon Siege series even though i have the collection.


As to story - generic and boring - it reminded me of Two Worlds (a better game than DS III). There were some interesting bits here and there but it was the (only) lure of upgrading your avatar and the battles that made it tolerable. The loot was great; i'll give it that. And leveling up in a Boss battle when you are hanging on to life.
--Overall, you only had one companion which made it simple. . . . and generic .. and boring - thankfully short (15 hours for me)
:'(

Writing:

"If the ring is there, i'll find it ..
.. just tell me where it is"

6/10 .. i hear there is an active modding community; get it when it is bargain bin basement for sure for your collection

Should i even bother with the earlier games in the Dungeon Siege series? i tried 80 games with 3D Vision, but they weren't on my list.
 

Phanuel

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I keep reading this topic as - "Dungeon Siege III - Excrement?"

Is this wrong of me?
 
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The game is on sale this week at Best Buy for 29.99. Anybody think it is worth that much??
After playing the demo, it tend to think I should wait until it is even cheaper. If you had someone to play co-op with it might be OK though. Does anyone know if you can play co-op on one PC or do you need 2 PCs and 2 copies of the game?
 

apoppin

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The game is on sale this week at Best Buy for 29.99. Anybody think it is worth that much??
After playing the demo, it tend to think I should wait until it is even cheaper. If you had someone to play co-op with it might be OK though. Does anyone know if you can play co-op on one PC or do you need 2 PCs and 2 copies of the game?
i got it for free and it held my interest. i would have been pretty upset if i paid full price for it.

it's a dungeon crawl where you have a character and a companion (you can only have 1 although there is a pool of 3 to choose from). The lure is the battle and the leveling up - if you like the ten-sided dice-based top down RPG-looking games, this game is passable. Think of a generic story like Two Worlds that simply doesn't matter - it advances you from one quest to another.

Boss battles are OK. It is a fair 12-15 or so hours. i give it a 6/10
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DaveSimmons

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> The game is on sale this week at Best Buy for 29.99. Anybody think it is worth that much??

I paid $3 for Torchlight and $5 for Titan Quest. Based on the demo I can't see paying more than $15 for this.
 

Lorne

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Dont associate it with Dungeon Siege or just think of it as a different name all together since it has no relation what so ever, Then it works better.
 

apoppin

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Dont associate it with Dungeon Siege or just think of it as a different name all together since it has no relation what so ever, Then it works better.
You can do the same thing with Duke Nukem Forever

How good are the earlier two games - especially DS II? i have them all unopened including the expansions but i never tried them.

DS III is generic in every way and the story is boring but the game is playable - it wasn't so bad that i didn't finish it but i'd sure hate to pay $50 for it
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RisenZealot

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The first two Dungeon Seige games kicked royal ass in my opinion. I mean I loved them. Honestly though aside from Diablo the best action rpg in my opinion would be Titan Quest and it's expansion, followed by the Dungeon Seige games.
 

apoppin

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The first two Dungeon Seige games kicked royal ass in my opinion. I mean I loved them. Honestly though aside from Diablo the best action rpg in my opinion would be Titan Quest and it's expansion, followed by the Dungeon Seige games.
Have you played DS III?

i like action RPG like Hellgate: London, Oblivion, Gothic 3 and even NWN 2.
i do not like a squirrely camera like NWN 2 or DS III.

Do i need to read the manual or can i jump right in to DS II? And do i need to play the original one? There wasn't much of a story in DS III.
i have the 6-CD set plus the expansion of DS II.
 

-Slacker-

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Controls are crap, can't save at will, have spend your attributes as soon as you level, boring, overly generic, unimaginative skills, items all look the freaking same, but with different stats (stockings of doom, murderous panties of agility, you get the idea), have to pick shit off the ground with a key, you can't click on it, linear as hell.

So, hey, what's not to like?
 

Mem

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apoppin: DS2 was better game by far,it has it flaws however you could have a proper party for exploring and combat and use heal potions etc..if you like Diablo type games where there is a lot of fighting mobs etc.. then you probably like it.

I would suggest use the widescreen resolution hack too so you can run it at 1080P etc....
 

greenhawk

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Do i need to read the manual or can i jump right in to DS II? And do i need to play the original one? There wasn't much of a story in DS III.
i have the 6-CD set plus the expansion of DS II.

no need to read a manual for DS2, I just checked the keyboard key mapings and started playing when I originally purchased it.

As to DS1, from what I remember, you do not need to have played it to under stand #2.

Personally, I liked #2 far far better than #1, if only because of the crap camera system in #1 (focuses on the selected player, becomes a pain in the backside when the group gets separated).

Note: have not played DS3. The demo and you-tube footage/reviews put me well off it.
 

you2

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1 sucked, 2 better but not great. I preferred titan quest. This game is a bit different but i hear it is very short.
 

apoppin

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apoppin: DS2 was better game by far,it has it flaws however you could have a proper party for exploring and combat and use heal potions etc..if you like Diablo type games where there is a lot of fighting mobs etc.. then you probably like it.

I would suggest use the widescreen resolution hack too so you can run it at 1080P etc....
Thanks. Long time; how is it going?
:thumbsup:

Weird. 1920x1080 won't stick; it keeps reverting to 800x600
However it does "work" with 3D Vision at the lower resolutions supported natively by DS II

A lot of info on this game is missing - there used to be even a super-widescreen hack to correct the FoV, but it seems to be missing.

DS II
is not even rated by Nvidia at all for S3D (it'll be the 4th game that i played that they didn't). And it would be a "Poor" or a "fair" since the menus are all in 2D while the rest of the world is in 3D. Not great for the eyes if you use the menus a lot (as you should).

no need to read a manual for DS2, I just checked the keyboard key mapings and started playing when I originally purchased it.

As to DS1, from what I remember, you do not need to have played it to under stand #2.

Personally, I liked #2 far far better than #1, if only because of the crap camera system in #1 (focuses on the selected player, becomes a pain in the backside when the group gets separated).

Note: have not played DS3. The demo and you-tube footage/reviews put me well off it.
DS3 is a fair game. When it is bargain bin rock bottom basement pricing, it would be a good diversion for a dozen or so hours.

i am not sure i want to commit the time to playing DS II. i have to get two big articles out first, i think
:'(

EDIT: i just found the WS wiki and the camera hack
http://cdn1.wsgfmedia.com/dr/dungeon-siege-ii
http://widescreengamingforum.com/software/dungeon-siege-2-camera-fix

There are issues with running DS II at 1920x1080 at 120Hz - that is why the game resets. So if you run it in 3D Vision, you need to choose a lower native resolution. And if you want to run it at 1080p, you have to set your display to 60Hz and no S3D
--If i play it, it will not be in S3D. The graphics are pretty ugly
 
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Mem

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apoppin : not bad m8 been quite busy beta testing "The Old Republic" which I gave them a lot of feedback etc....

As to DS2 I used the hack over at widescreen gaming forum on my humble 60 Hz LCD .
 

apoppin

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apoppin : not bad m8 been quite busy beta testing "The Old Republic" which I gave them a lot of feedback etc....

As to DS2 I used the hack over at widescreen gaming forum on my humble 60 Hz LCD .
Cool, Mem! It's good to see you are still doing what you love to do.

Me too! Although you will not see me in online games since i am still stuck on satellite Internet (although i found ways around their bandwidth cap).

i got DS II to work in 1080p or with 3D Vision - but not both. i'll set it aside for now as i have to actually *write* my 3D Vision Mega Evaluation (and i can add DS II and its expansion to my 80-game 3D Vision "tried" list as "poor").

If i use 120Hz required for 3D Vision (well, you can play at 100Hz), Dungeon Siege II reverts to a lower resolution - but it doesn't look good in 3D Vision; it has the same issues with NWN2 - the 2D menus confuse your eyes super-imposed on a 3D background and it gets tiring.
 

Mem

Lifer
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Cool, Mem! It's good to see you are still doing what you love to do.

Me too! Although you will not see me in online games since i am still stuck on satellite Internet (although i found ways around their bandwidth cap).

i got DS II to work in 1080p or with 3D Vision - but not both. i'll set it aside for now as i have to actually *write* my 3D Vision Mega Evaluation (and i can add DS II and its expansion to my 80-game 3D Vision "tried" list as "poor").

If i use 120Hz required for 3D Vision (well, you can play at 100Hz), Dungeon Siege II reverts to a lower resolution - but it doesn't look good in 3D Vision; it has the same issues with NWN2 - the 2D menus confuse your eyes super-imposed on a 3D background and it gets tiring.

I guess that's the problem when you use old games that came out well before 3D vision etc...

Having played until the very end both DS3 and DA2 I was disappointed in the way RPGs had lowered/dropped standards,however Witcher 2 restored my faith in RPGs .

As to ISP bandwidth I'm still happy with my 12MB unlimited usage connection(can have 24MB if I want ) it sure beats my very old days of playing CS on 56K .
 
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apoppin

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I guess that's the problem when you use old games that came out well before 3D vision etc...

Having played until the very end both DS3 and DA2 I was disappointed in the way RPGs had lowered/dropped standards,however Witcher 2 restored my faith in RPGs .

As to ISP bandwidth I'm still happy with my 12MB unlimited usage connection(can have 24MB if I want ) it sure beats my very old days of playing CS on 56K .
You don't really want to go back to old games. They look awful in S3D - like the old movies with 2D "cardboard cutouts" super-imposed over a semi-3D background. i'd say 2002 is about the cutoff for most games; which is still a pretty large library of about 100 games for me (over the past 10 years) and well worth revisiting in S3D.

Max Payne II (Fall of Max Payne)
looked really good as did Unreal II and NoLF 2. However, it takes a game made with 3D in mind for the top-down RPG games like NWN2 and DS II. The menus are confusing and a lot of it is still 2D over a 3D background.

Dungeon Siege III actually looked very good playing in 3D Vision. But a bit tiring to my eyes and i found myself switching it off for stretches as i kept playing. It's a (mercifully ) short game. i finished it in 3 sittings.
 
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