dvd-r or dvd+r? which is more compatible?

[mmx]

i have a plextor 8x dvd burner, but unsure which media to use.

Is dvd-r more compatible or dvd+r?

 

[anxi80]

check to see what your dvd player is best compatible with here, then decide. all my dvd players support +R, and since i have the same burner as you and it does +R at 8x, thats what i use.

 

[Tetsuo]

I would say DVD-R is more compatible than DVD+R

 

[DaveJ412]

Originally posted by: Tetsuo
I would say DVD-R is more compatible than DVD+R

 

[TerryMathews]

Originally posted by: Tetsuo
I would say DVD-R is more compatible than DVD+R

I disagree, when bitsetting is used, DVD+R is more compatible. As a matter of fact, a DVD+RW disc is reflectively identical to a pressed DVD video disc.

 

[Schadenfroh]

+r has more of a future

 

[selene]

My 3 year old panasonic dvd plays - & + Rs... my 6 month old dvd only does -R I already burn a lot of my stuff on +R.. not to mention that my new notebook only burns +R also. Supposely the new windows will natively support +R, but that can always change

 

[monzie]

Neither format is 'more' compatible.................just find the media and format that your DVD player accepts..............some accept both formats..... some only one format......some only certain media etc...........most of the recent players tend to play both formats.

Go to DVDRhelp and look up your DVD player and see whats been reported to play on it.

Avoid listening to people who make general comments that one is better/more compatible than the other.......if that was true manufacturers wouldn't make multi format burners would they? They would stick to whichever format they helped develop.

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: TerryMathews
As a matter of fact, a DVD+RW disc is reflectively identical to a pressed DVD video disc.

Huh?

 

[TerryMathews]

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: TerryMathews
As a matter of fact, a DVD+RW disc is reflectively identical to a pressed DVD video disc.

Huh?

Read this and all will become clear.

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: TerryMathews

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: TerryMathews
As a matter of fact, a DVD+RW disc is reflectively identical to a pressed DVD video disc.

Huh?

Read this and all will become clear.

I guess I should point out to you that you've linked a +RW fanboi site.

And you should also note that it says "DVD+RW reflectivity is identical to that of a dual layered DVD-Video disc". If that's what you meant, then fine, but a pressed dual-layer DVD-9 has lower reflectivity than a pressed DVD-5, and DVD+RW reflectivity is similar to DVD-RW reflectivity.

 

[TerryMathews]

Originally posted by: Eug
I guess I should point out to you that you've linked a +RW fanboi site.

And you should also note that it says "DVD+RW reflectivity is identical to that of a dual layered DVD-Video disc". If that's what you meant, then fine, but a pressed dual-layer DVD-9 has lower reflectivity than a pressed DVD-5, and DVD+RW reflectivity is similar to DVD-RW reflectivity.

I do not contest that, but there is no evidence to disprove that statement and it's held true with every DVD player I've tried a DVD+RW on including some real beasts like a 1x DVD-ROM, a first gen PS2 and a first gen Xbox. All three refused when the +RW identified itself as a DVD+RW, and read fine when it identified as a DVD-ROM.

As to your other comment, you're splitting hairs. What DVD-ROM drive or player is incapable of reading a dual-layered disc?

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: TerryMathews

Originally posted by: Eug
I guess I should point out to you that you've linked a +RW fanboi site.

And you should also note that it says "DVD+RW reflectivity is identical to that of a dual layered DVD-Video disc". If that's what you meant, then fine, but a pressed dual-layer DVD-9 has lower reflectivity than a pressed DVD-5, and DVD+RW reflectivity is similar to DVD-RW reflectivity.

I do not contest that, but there is no evidence to disprove that statement and it's held true with every DVD player I've tried a DVD+RW on including some real beasts like a 1x DVD-ROM, a first gen PS2 and a first gen Xbox. All three refused when the +RW identified itself as a DVD+RW, and read fine when it identified as a DVD-ROM.

As to your other comment, you're splitting hairs. What DVD-ROM drive or player is incapable of reading a dual-layered disc?

None. That's the point, and the other point is that many do not read DVD-RW or DVD+RW (including with the bit set). IOW, DVD-RW and DVD+RW are NOT as compatible as dual-layer pressed DVD. ie. Arguing that DVD-RW and DVD+RW reflectivity may be similar to a dual-layer disc is not evidence that they're going to be as compatible as a dual-layer disc. The only real evidence is to do actual testing with a bazillion different players.

The compatibility setting definitely does help for some players, but by no means does it help for all players. In real life comparisons, +RW and -RW compatibility is similar overall, and +R and -R compatiblity is also similar. Indeed, the DVDRHelp database suggests in fact that -R compatibility is higher than +R's. Even the DVDplusRW.org website lists several machines that are simply not compatible with +RW.

The bottom line is that if you want maximum compatibility you should use either +R or -R, and if you don't need maximum compatibility you can use +RW or -RW. Now, if all of your own machines work with +RW, then that's great, but your machines are not representative of the whole world's.

 

[TerryMathews]

Originally posted by: Eug
None. That's the point, and the other point is that many do not read DVD-RW or DVD+RW (including with the bit set). IOW, DVD-RW and DVD+RW are NOT as compatible as dual-layer pressed DVD. ie. Arguing that DVD-RW and DVD+RW reflectivity may be similar to a dual-layer disc is not evidence that they're going to be as compatible as a dual-layer disc. The only real evidence is to do actual testing with a bazillion different players.

The compatibility setting definitely does help for some players, but by no means does it help for all players. In real life comparisons, +RW and -RW compatibility is similar overall, and +R and -R compatiblity is also similar. Indeed, the DVDRHelp database suggests in fact that -R compatibility is higher than +R's. Even the DVDplusRW.org website lists several machines that are simply not compatible with +RW.

The bottom line is that if you want maximum compatibility you should use either +R or -R, and if you don't need maximum compatibility you can use +RW or -RW. Now, if all of your own machines work with +RW, then that's great, but your machines are not representative of the whole world's.

I thought it was implied, but I guess I need to state it outright. I have had more success with DVD+RW discs than with DVD+R in my more picky devices like my PS2.

 

[Eug]

I have had more success with DVD+RW discs than with DVD+R in my more picky devices like my PS2.

The PS2 works with DVD+R (as well as DVD+RW, DVD-RW, and DVD-R). Are you sure it's not just your media? I find that the PS2 doesn't like certain media, esp. some of the cheap stuff.

 

[TerryMathews]

Originally posted by: Eug

I have had more success with DVD+RW discs than with DVD+R in my more picky devices like my PS2.

The PS2 works with DVD+R (as well as DVD+RW, DVD-RW, and DVD-R). Are you sure it's not just your media? I find that the PS2 doesn't like certain media, esp. some of the cheap stuff.

The PS2 has been through seven known revisions. You can't make an overly broad statement like that for all of them.

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: TerryMathews
The PS2 has been through seven known revisions. You can't make an overly broad statement like that for all of them.

You're right, except that there have been reports of relatively early revision PS2s working with +R. I don't know how reliable those reports are though.

FWIW, I do know however that relatively early PS2s work with good quality DVD-R. My friend bought a PS2 shortly after it came out and it works fine with DVD-R I've burned for him. It required good quality media though. None of the no-name discs I tried would work. I haven't tried DVD+R on it though.

 

[AIWGuru]

Here is my opinion on DVD burners.
It's only an opinion so take it with a grain of salt:

The format wars:
DVD+R won.
Why?
-It's faster
-It supports bit setting.
-Microsoft is supporting only +R in Longhorn
-It can burn dual layers.

The last one is the most important because people want at least 2 hours of highest quality out of their DVDs and they want exact bit for bit backups.

Accordingly, I don't give a crap about -R.
I have a nice Liteon DVD dual format burner. I like it. It works well.
I burn exclusively with +R and used it to distribute wedding videos. Everyone was able to play them fine.
Compatibility isn't an issue as far as I'm concerned.

DVD-R does not support dual layer. DVD+R will ship dual layer within a couple of weeks.

Dual layer is key!

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: AIWGuru
Here is my opinion on DVD burners.
It's only an opinion so take it with a grain of salt:

The format wars:
DVD+R won.
Why?

-It's faster

Sometimes, usually for a few weeks at time when it is.

-It supports bit setting.

Compatibility between -R/W and +R/W is similar overall.

-Microsoft is supporting only +R in Longhorn

Incorrect. Both + and - will be officially supported.

-It can burn dual layers.

Pioneer has already demo'd a dual-layer capable - burner.

 

[jm0ris0n]

DVD-R is generally accepted by more players out there than a dvd+r (Not sure about using bit setting on a +R though...)

However, a disk that will work with almost anything (Not found anything that wouldn't play it) is a DVD+RW Burned with bit setting identifying the disk as a DVD-ROM.

Heck, even the XBOX will read these

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: jm0ris0n
DVD-R is generally accepted by more players out there than a dvd+r (Not sure about using bit setting on a +R though...)

However, a disk that will work with almost anything (Not found anything that wouldn't play it) is a DVD+RW Burned with bit setting identifying the disk as a DVD-ROM.

Heck, even the XBOX will read these

Of the few Xboxes I've tried, DVD-R works fine too.