DX10 - a look to upcoming dissapointments

[swtethan]

thats a whole lot of upgrading.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: swtethan
thats a whole lot of upgrading.

for not a whole lot of money ... just my time
--i figure it will cost me less than $35 after selling my old HW

--and it was also *forced* by a failed MB ... so the 'timing' of all 3 parts -CPU/MB/DDR2 - being "on sale" was excellent for me

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: Golgatha

Originally posted by: Nightmare225

Originally posted by: Kromis

Originally posted by: MadBoris
Yeah I heard in a dev interview that apparently Crysis will not be able to be fully maxed out in settings regardless of any current commercially available hardware. That is promising and kind of scarry all at once.
I only have original FEAR, not the expansion, may check it out.

I guess when those first cards came out I was thinking the new amount of RAM being 640MB was going to be a new standard baseline for large 2048 textures and shadow maps, only to realize they now have 256MB as the common baseline. Just makes it seem like the 768MB or 1GB RAM cards are way overkill with all the 256MB value cards still majority.

:shocked:H MY G:shocked...

Yup, I remember a quote in a magazine where they said they had a mode which would make Quad-core dual GTX systems work with FPS in the low teens...

I betcha that's one beautiful slide show though.

QFT! This game will be as revolutionary as Doom 3, Far Cry and Half-life 2 were in the graphics department back in 2004. I remember when I first played those games, my jaw literally dropped.

 

[swtethan]

I sold my old system for $900 (tower only)

new one cost me $1100



about 3-4x the performance of my old one

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: apoppin
actually FRAPS does slow down the performance

The Fraps benchmarking utility does not slow down performance, all it does is records min/avg/max framerate information to a text file.

Originally posted by: apoppin
and it's true there are some HW "elitists" that *need* FRAPS to make them feel better about what they experience
:roll:

i am just not one of them

I just want to see some numbers so that I know what you consider to be "smooth" relative to what I consider to be smooth, but now I am just going to take your hesitance to simply record some numbers to a text file as an admission that it's not smooth at all and you know it.

Have your rolleyes back, you earned it. :roll:

 

[swtethan]

how many volts does your 6300 get to 3.5? i think i want to push mine further

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: swtethan
how many volts does your 6300 get to 3.5? i think i want to push mine further

It's at 1.45v in the BIOS, but it goes down to 1.42v after vdroop.

Thing is it could go higher and temps are fine, just not sure it's worth it and 3.5 is a nice figure.

Using the Noctua NH-U12F for cooling.

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: swtethan
how many volts does your 6300 get to 3.5? i think i want to push mine further

It's at 1.45v in the BIOS, but it goes down to 1.42v after vdroop.

Thing is it could go higher and temps are fine, just not sure it's worth it and 3.5 is a nice figure.

Using the Noctua NH-U12F for cooling.

im 1.425 bios and 1.38 windows hmmmmm....

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: apoppin
actually FRAPS does slow down the performance

The Fraps benchmarking utility does not slow down performance, all it does is records min/avg/max framerate information to a text file.

Originally posted by: apoppin
and it's true there are some HW "elitists" that *need* FRAPS to make them feel better about what they experience
:roll:

i am just not one of them

I just want to see some numbers so that I know what you consider to be "smooth" relative to what I consider to be smooth, but now I am just going to take your hesitance to simply record some numbers to a text file as an admission that it's not smooth at all and you know it.

Have your rolleyes back, you earned it. :roll:

i don't have to prove anything to you ... you can believe wtf you want

--first i have to install FRAPS to *prove* i accept 30 FPS minimum as smooth ... then i have to post a video to *show* it to you ... then i have to defend myself again because you will say it is my friend's GTX rig


--for you?

what have you done for me lately?

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: swtethan
how many volts does your 6300 get to 3.5? i think i want to push mine further

It's at 1.45v in the BIOS, but it goes down to 1.42v after vdroop.

Thing is it could go higher and temps are fine, just not sure it's worth it and 3.5 is a nice figure.

Using the Noctua NH-U12F for cooling.

im 1.425 bios and 1.38 windows hmmmmm....

Sounds normal to be TBH and the P5B Deluxe can take a lot more volts.

Originally posted by: apoppin
i don't have to prove anything to you ... you can believe wtf you want

No, you don't. I'm saying above 30fps 100% of the time is bullcrap with utterly max settings in that game even at 1440x900, and you don't have to prove it since we both know it.

Feel free to move on, but no doubt this will sting a while. :roll:

 

[Ulfhednar]

P.S. I didn't even mention a GTX rig, I did however mention an X1900XT 512MB rig with an E6300 @ 3.2GHz. If you're willing to make ridiculous claims of your X1950Pro and 2.8GHz E4300 outperforming it then you need to back it up.

A lot of people around here like to say "put up or shut up," well you made it clear you can't be arsed putting up.

 

[apoppin]

so my installing FRAPs would be a 'vain gesture' because you would call me a liar anyway

that IS what you are doing :|

i will state for a final time - for everyone else - that i *know* what decent FPS is ... the First Space Battle in 3DMark05 runs SMOOTHLY ... the lowest 'blip' is 29 with the counter continuously running

otoh, the next one - firefly - is *sluggish* ... it dips to around 19 ... and i hate to watch it ... even though it is a very slow moving scene thru the forest ... i get almost ill, and would turn down the setting if i could.

the 3rd scene is completely *fluid* ... akin to STALKER with everything "in game" maxed
... but not with 8X HQ AF ... it definitely slows it down ... it is still "smooth" like the first scene in 05 ... but i can tell the occasional FPS dips into the uppermost 20s.

as to *other rigs* ... i cannot say ... i do not know the combination of their HW ...otoh i DO KNOW for a fact that STALKER is poorly optimized for many rigs ...
... perhaps it just runs without the issues others are experiencing

 

[apoppin]

i guess CaiNaM irritated me like Ulfhednar could not

so ... i'll C&P my answer to him

i just ran G*D FRAPS ... first time in years

left my net connection on all my windows and other work open including ZA and AntiVir

Consistently got low 30s in all my scenes ... it would dip to the upper 20s [28/29] for the most *demanding* scenes ... and that would be for an 'instant'
[which i do notice]

so ... add 1 or 2 FPS if i 'run' it "optimized" ... smooth
... above 30 FPS

. . . and probably +5 FPS more because i prefer to run STALKER with HQ off .. just 8xAA
that's ALL "in game" settings completely to the Right ... *except* AA which is useless
[there is a 'placebo' effect with the blurriness]

i *know* smooth ... i could not handle ANY of FEAR dipping to the upper 20s
it is damn irritating ... unless it is very very 'rare'

 

[YearZero]

Hmm. Not intentional Sucks that you cant delete post hey

 

[YearZero]

Not to open a can of worms on my first post, but I definitely cant accurately judge any game to be 'smooth' without actually playing it.
That is so say giving inputs and experiencing how the game 'feels' - to me this is a way more important aspect in determining if something is running 'smoothly'.
Once you've found a minimum fps that still delivers smooth gameplay, then you can look at benches and see what fps different setups are pushing and if that extra game-specific smoothness would be worth an upgrade.

I know this post is coming a bit late because apoppin has already ran the bench in stalker but nonetheless, I couldn't really identify with his example of determining a smooth frame rate by looking at 3dmark benches and translating that into an acceptably smooth stalker game performance level. Blah.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: YearZero
Not to open a can of worms on my first post, but I definitely cant accurately judge any game to be 'smooth' without actually playing it.
That is so say giving inputs and experiencing how the game 'feels' - to me this is a way more important aspect in determining if something is running 'smoothly'.
Once you've found a minimum fps that still delivers smooth gameplay, then you can look at benches and see what fps different setups are pushing and if that extra game-specific smoothness would be worth an upgrade.

I know this post is coming a bit late because apoppin has already ran the bench in stalker but nonetheless, I couldn't really identify with his example of determining a smooth frame rate by looking at 3dmark benches and translating that into an acceptably smooth stalker game performance level. Blah.

since a couple of people couldn't identify with it i simply ran it

what i was *trying* to say is that "smooth" - for me - is ABOVE 30 fps ... just like in the first scene in 3DMark05 - the 'return' fight - where it is consistently above 30 - except for a 'blip' into the hi-20s

actually*running* FRAPS in STALKER simply "confirmed" what i was trying to explain ... that STALKER is "smooth" on my system with *all* in-game sliders completely maxed

now there are t hose what are going to say that FRAPS "really" didn't show 30 fps ... and that i am hallucinating

anyway ... welcome to ATF ...

 

[Gstanfor]

Apoppin, just post an image of the game with a fraps overlay on imageshack and link it here.

 

[apoppin]

why not post an entire video ?
:roll:

i doubt an entire game would be enough for some of the doubters

*someone* will say i benched on my friend's GTX rig

--or that "all" the sliders aren't "really" 100% to the right


i said STALKER ran "Smooth" with my rig in sig with all in game sliders absolutely maxed and FDL [maximum]
-running FRAPS just "confirmed" what i knew for years - that consistently 30+FPS is "smooth" for me

i cannot "explain" the other rigs ... perhaps with the next patch *all* of you will experience STALKER this way
:Q

damn ... i sure hope so ... even though i will probably see ZERO improvement

 

[nyker96]

"draw a line in the sand with the current top end GPU's as minimum spec " ? This my friend will NEVER happen. They will probably draw a line on the $100-150 cards as their target for max settings but will have to support plays even on sub-100 cards.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: apoppin
i am going to check right now

i do notice that the nvidia drivers seem to have more "issues" than the ATi drivers with STALKER
... so your *belief* that "both machines" cannot be set up 'wrong' as your conclusion, is based on ... nothing

well, other than i'm not so stupid as to mess up 2 pc's, let alone 1, and like i said, my observations seem to correlate with others (both reviews and forum users).

besides, after almost 20 years of building desktops and servers, they are not that hard to set it up

so did you finally upgrade your cpu?

all i can say is *whatever* .. i read the reviews too and that *entire* HUGE thread in Games Forum ... you ATi rig might be set up wrong ... but at any rate, i *know* my C2D is more powerful than either of your CPUs ... as to your gtS, there seem to be issues with nvidia drivers and STALKER - much more so than with ATi drivers

'got it' .... your ATi resolution is the same as mine BUT your GTS is bogged down with a higher one ... makes sense now that BOTH of your rigs can't do STALKER maxed but mine can - especially those "last-gen" CPUs are gonna struggle with the resolution.

i just played STALKER ... patched to the latest [only] patch ... long enough to have a complete cycle of day into night with lightening and etc [btw, the C2D temps only rise about 3 degrees C - under max load]

*all* Sliders to the Right
[except the useless AA]
*all* setting Maxed ... FDL

and it is *smooth* ... even Fluid at 14x9 ... NO ... *zero* slowdowns
and i have been playing games and building rigs ... forever

that means Grass density is 100%, lighting distance is 100%, all the shadows are maxed --including grass and sun

did i miss anything ?


"new" rig is updated in sig


and you are 'so stupid' as to have posted the same thing twice-in-a row instead of editing :Q
-- everyone makes mistakes



[j/k'ing]

:laugh:

Windows 2000 > Windows XP in Stalker performance possibly??

 

[apoppin]

no way

Win2K is generally 1% or so worse than XP

i DO have the Latest Drivers Cat 4 and a clean install

 

[YearZero]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: YearZero
Not to open a can of worms on my first post, but I definitely cant accurately judge any game to be 'smooth' without actually playing it.
That is so say giving inputs and experiencing how the game 'feels' - to me this is a way more important aspect in determining if something is running 'smoothly'.
Once you've found a minimum fps that still delivers smooth gameplay, then you can look at benches and see what fps different setups are pushing and if that extra game-specific smoothness would be worth an upgrade.

I know this post is coming a bit late because apoppin has already ran the bench in stalker but nonetheless, I couldn't really identify with his example of determining a smooth frame rate by looking at 3dmark benches and translating that into an acceptably smooth stalker game performance level. Blah.

since a couple of people couldn't identify with it i simply ran it

what i was *trying* to say is that "smooth" - for me - is ABOVE 30 fps ... just like in the first scene in 3DMark05 - the 'return' fight - where it is consistently above 30 - except for a 'blip' into the hi-20s

actually*running* FRAPS in STALKER simply "confirmed" what i was trying to explain ... that STALKER is "smooth" on my system with *all* in-game sliders completely maxed

Yeah thats why I said my post came a bit late, I still dont think you can say 30fps in a 3dmark bench and 30 fps in any game translates into the same level of smoothness. For me 30 fps is in any case usually not nearly enough to give me that smooth feeling, but I have been playing fps since well wolf 3d, so I might be a little obsessive about stuff like this

 

[apoppin]

http://uk.theinquirer.net/?article=39507

Unreal Tournament3 web site comes to life

. . . the ground has finally been set for arrival of mega-hit title for this year, Unreal Tournament III. This game is being finalised as we speak, and haiving ditched UT2k7 to become UT III, it looks even more impressive now.

We first saw UT2k7 back at E3 2006 with a gameplay demonstration showing some serious kick-ass action and the power of two GeForce boards in SLI left a lasting inqpression on everyone present.

With the launch of the official site, Epic also released couple of new screenshots, showing what FPS gamers will play later this year. So if you are wondering are high-end DirectX 10 GPUs worth the money, take a good look a these pictures

Check out the Pix ... no really ... check them out ...

and tell me you can do this [easily] in DX9

theinq concludes

The screenshots are mighty impressive, even though these represent souped-up versions for magazines (judging by resolution of some shots, that were in 24 Mpixel resolution), still these graphics show just how impressive UT3 is shaping up to be. This will also be one of the games for graphics benchmarking ? expect UT3 scores in reviews of Back-to-School refreshes of G90 (NV55) and R670, and upcoming marchitectural generations like G100 (NV60) and R700, Larrabee, G110 and R800 and so on

the real .... er UNreal ... source

http://www.unrealtournament3.com/

 

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