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Originally posted by: Acanthus
They dropped pretty much every useful feature they were adding to vista over XP.
Its basically windows 2000 3.0 until they add them.
Um, like what?
Originally posted by: Acanthus
They dropped pretty much every useful feature they were adding to vista over XP.
Its basically windows 2000 3.0 until they add them.
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Malak... Why do you always treat others with such disrespect? I can't believe you get away with it.
Originally posted by: Malak
Oh, and for the rest of you, Crysis isn't even on my radar. The game I am looking forward to is already in a playable phase, and will probably be coming out this year. It sounds like they will be updating it for dx10 though, so I want to be prepared. That is why when Vista comes out, I will be getting a dx10 video card with it. Which is why I posed the question. Considering how quickly video cards are snatched up(I was one of only a few that got my video card when it came out), I was hoping we'd see dx10 cards come out before I was going to purchase one so that it'd go through the low-supply phase before I wanted to get one.
DX10 is coming, sooner than you guys realize. If you want to wait 3 years to upgrade, go ahead. You'll be far, far behind.
Originally posted by: apoppin
you will NOT need a DX10 card to play Halo2 . . . just Vista . . . and there will likely be ZERO difference between what you actually see when you play it with a DX10 or DX9 card.There are only likely a few DX10 extensions . . . that'll probably slow your new card to a crawl.
they have been working on the xbox360 games for a couiple of years . . . and haven't begun to tap that platform's capability.Originally posted by: stelleg151
I dont think halo will be a crap port and a I do think it will do a good job of showcasing some of DX10's new capabilities. Why? Because M$ needs to sell people on DX10, and thus on Vista.
As for the people who are saying it takes 3 years AFTER a gaming platform has come out to make a decent game?? Sooo, XBox360 was completed and finalized 3 years ago? And playstation 3 was finilazed 2.5 years ago before the Cell existed? Im sorry but they definately start games before finalization and maybe make a few tweaks late in the game as the platform is finished up.
Originally posted by: Malak
Originally posted by: apoppin
you will NOT need a DX10 card to play Halo2 . . . just Vista . . . and there will likely be ZERO difference between what you actually see when you play it with a DX10 or DX9 card.There are only likely a few DX10 extensions . . . that'll probably slow your new card to a crawl.
No offense apoppin, but I don't think you have any clue what DX10 is bringing. The entire driver structure in Vista is changing. DX10 will be Vista-only because of that. DX10 games can only be played on Vista because of this. DX10 features can only be used by DX10 video cards, and all of them will support them same features, no more variations of shaders and whatnot. The difference between nvidia and ati will be strictly performance this time around.
And halo has absolutely nothing to do with it, once again. Doesn't anyone here keep up with dx10 and the next wave of gaming? Hell I'm retired from the scene and even I know what's coming.
Originally posted by: apoppin
i'll let others explain it to you
Originally posted by: Malak
Originally posted by: apoppin
i'll let others explain it to you
Well I'll explain it one last time. The development team for the game I'm anticipating has already put out a request for a dx10 developer, which tells me they are getting started NOW. Whatever you believe, you can go on believing. Doesn't sound to me like you know anything, you are just riding the bandwagon of thought. I will follow the industry and what they are doing, thank you. I don't know why I bother coming to this forum anymore, the video forum is just as bad as P&N...
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
Anyway, check out the roadmap here:
Roadmap
This guy is usually spot on.
Edit: Cole's notes: Vista Nov. 15/06, R600 Oct/06, G80 sometime in the 2nd half of 06 (any time after June). Of course, everything is subject to change.
Disclaimer: this is from what i remember . . . i am heading to work and don't have tme to check for accuracy]Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Sorry, I am not trying to hijack this thread or anything, but everyone here seems to have a great deal of knowledge on this subject.
My questions are slightly of-topic, but here it goes: what was the first DX9 capable card and is it still capable of playing the most recent games at decent frame rates?
The reason I am asking is I will be upgrading later this year and I will be stuck with whatever I get for at least a few years. Just trying to figure out whether a G80 or R600 will even be able to play the full-fledged DX10 games when they finally start to come out in a couple years. Of course history is not always an accurate indicator, but I figured it may shed some light on the subject.
Thanks for the help.
Cheers, KT
Originally posted by: Jeffreyg4
Originally posted by: Matthias99
Originally posted by: Jeffreyg4
Noob question, Why wont the newest cards of today (X1900XTX ext) be able to be software updated to DX10
Um... because you can't add hardware features in software (unless you use emulation, which is slow; see GMA900 and anything running vertex shaders).
my Geforce FX5200 (crap card) is running DX 9.0c (or whatever the newest one is called)
Having DX9.0c installed != able to use SM3.0.
But wait, when my card came out dx 9 wasent out, yet i could still upgrade.... so why wouldent a X1900XTX be able to upgrade to dx 10 (wich isent out when its released)
Originally posted by: Ronin
BTW, you won't see Vista this year.
Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
Halo 2??? THAT is what everyone is waiting for? Guys Xboxes are cheap enough - do yourselves a favour and just play it on Xbox and quit encouraging the PC market of becoming a place for second-rate ports of 2 year old games!
Originally posted by: apoppin
you gotta wait until '09 for the FIRST full DX10 games . . . and the DX10 card you buy THIS year will be too SLOW to run it, ANYway.
Originally posted by: Malak
Originally posted by: apoppin
you gotta wait until '09 for the FIRST full DX10 games . . . and the DX10 card you buy THIS year will be too SLOW to run it, ANYway.
All false information based on zero experience and knowledge. Quit making things up apoppin.
Originally posted by: supafly
Originally posted by: Acanthus
They dropped pretty much every useful feature they were adding to vista over XP.
Its basically windows 2000 3.0 until they add them.
Um, like what?
Originally posted by: Malak
Originally posted by: apoppin
you gotta wait until '09 for the FIRST full DX10 games . . . and the DX10 card you buy THIS year will be too SLOW to run it, ANYway.
All false information based on zero experience and knowledge. Quit making things up apoppin.