DX12 games and GPU's...I think its a trap!

[Erenhardt]

Why?What did I say? That it doesn't happen at the same time?
But think about it,why would someone even want to run compute+graphics at the same time?
The only time it makes sense is if you can't fully utilise your GPU with only one of the two so you run both at the same time to fill up your GPU (shaders) with work.

GPU is more than just a shaders. Read up on dx12 multi engine

 

[book_ed]

You can have a nice boost on nVIDIA as well while using less powerful CPUs. You don't like it? Feel free to use dx11.

Add more complexity to the games, get rid of dx11 altogether and ever more powerful CPUs will benefit from these APIs.

The problem right now is that most test on high end CPUs (like they did with Mantle), while a gamer is typically interested in getting the most out of his money. That means keeping you CPU for longer or getting a cheaper, slower one and a better GPU, for virtually the same overall performance.

It's just the beginning, the devs will make good use of it.

 

[TheELF]

GPU is more than just a shaders. Read up on dx12 multi engine

Graphics+compute is async compute and not multi engine,you read up on Dx12.

 

[torlen11cc]

I'm wondering if there is any DX11-12 advantage for AMD/nVidia cards to running in Windows 10 over windows 7

 

[cytg111]

Yes, Doom has certainly upped the Ante of what is possible in a modern 3D engine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss8SyOhqk1I

Indeed. Or maybe rather calling the rest of the industry hacks out. Doom is certainly miles upon miles better than the regular ports we get.
Miles better graphics.
Miles better performance.
Miles better campaign (and longer, 2x what you'd get in COD/BF).
And it runs on older hardware as well.

I was afraid for ID after Carmack left. Not anymore. IDTech-6 for the win.

 

[digitaldurandal]

Indeed. Or maybe rather calling the rest of the industry hacks out. Doom is certainly miles upon miles better than the regular ports we get.
Miles better graphics.
Miles better performance.
Miles better campaign (and longer, 2x what you'd get in COD/BF).
And it runs on older hardware as well.

I was afraid for ID after Carmack left. Not anymore. IDTech-6 for the win.

I like how you replied to the URL without watching the video. The video is someone trying to make a map for DOOM. They initially wanted to make a map with 100k revenants but due to restrictions of either SNAPMAP or DOOM engine they can only make a few rooms and only 64 revenants. Additionally only 12 of the Revenants can be alive at any given time.

You quoted a sarcastic comment.

 

[digitaldurandal]

I'm wondering if there is any DX11-12 advantage for AMD/nVidia cards to running in Windows 10 over windows 7

There's plenty of testing out there if you search for it. Many people compared W10 to W7 gaming, especially right after release. Additionally all the DX12 tests are going to be on W10 as it is not available on W7.

 

[Krteq]

Graphics+compute is async compute and not multi engine,you read up on Dx12.

Yes, It is the same thing! Re-read the MSDN article.

 

[cytg111]

You quoted a sarcastic comment.

- Well that flew over my head for sure. I thought my fast reflexes would have caught that(gotg).
I've played the game, participated in http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2463156&page=22 and you'll be hard pressed to find a negative review anywhere.
If it gimped on a map construction tool.. well..blrrrr.

 

[Piroko]

- Well that flew over my head for sure. I thought my fast reflexes would have caught that(gotg).
I've played the game, participated in http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2463156&page=22 and you'll be hard pressed to find a negative review anywhere.
If it gimped on a map construction tool.. well..blrrrr.

My comment was supposed to cover a bit more than that. It's a game engine that has proven to do one job really well - and that is high performance, low latency gameplay in small maps with limited amount of scripts, interactions and assets.
However, the OP wants to compare this to game engines that do almost the exact opposite - gameplay with lots of scripts, more interactions and a (very) high amount of (unique) Assets/objects on screen. And they don't run like garbage for what they show, not at all.

 

[TheELF]

Yes, It is the same thing! Re-read the MSDN article.

Yes,what exactly should I be reading here?
The 3d engine handles triangulation,tessellation,geometry and the likes,
copy engine handles texture streaming and I/O in general,
graphics are being done by the shaders=compute core.

 

[airfathaaaaa]

- Well that flew over my head for sure. I thought my fast reflexes would have caught that(gotg).
I've played the game, participated in http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2463156&page=22 and you'll be hard pressed to find a negative review anywhere.
If it gimped on a map construction tool.. well..blrrrr.

the engine tools are directly gimped to the engine if the engine cant handle it its not the tools problem lol

 

[Krteq]

Yes,what exactly should I be reading here?
The 3d engine handles triangulation,tessellation,geometry and the likes,
copy engine handles texture streaming and I/O in general,
graphics are being done by the shaders=compute core.

What the hell? Do you have any clue about computer graphics and coding?

We have a pixel shader, vertex shader, geometry shader, hull&domain shaders... these are all processed via ALU core.

With Multi-Engine aka Async-Shaders, you can run 3D queue (graphics command list) concurrently with Compute queue (Compute shaders command list). This is done via front-end scheduler (Command processor and ACE units) which is able to assign tasks of both types to Unified shader core.

It's not a rocket science.

 

[cytg111]

the engine tools are directly gimped to the engine if the engine cant handle it its not the tools problem lol

The engine is directly gimped to the engine tools, if the tools cant handle it its not the engines problem.

 

[cytg111]

My comment was supposed to cover a bit more than that. It's a game engine that has proven to do one job really well - and that is high performance, low latency gameplay in small maps with limited amount of scripts, interactions and assets.
However, the OP wants to compare this to game engines that do almost the exact opposite - gameplay with lots of scripts, more interactions and a (very) high amount of (unique) Assets/objects on screen. And they don't run like garbage for what they show, not at all.

Good point.
The way I see it is this; for this particular job, for jobs within this frame of reference, it has done especially well.
How will it perform in COD/BF style scenarios? Dont know. What we do know it that Doom is the best looking and well performing of its kind in a long long time. So if it can pull that off (not only the engine, ID), what else can they do?
(And you do have some pretty BIG maps with big wast horizonts in the game(Hell))

 

[sxr7171]

Since FRAPS doesn't work in DX12 what are people using to monitor framerate?

 

[Bacon1]

Since FRAPS doesn't work in DX12 what are people using to monitor framerate?

Dxtory is the best bet, works with DX12 and UWP. Get the latest alpha / beta version http://exkode.com/dxtory-downloads-en.html

If you want to benchmark (not just display FPS) check out PresentMon from Intel - https://github.com/GameTechDev/PresentMon/releases

 

[sxr7171]

Dxtory is the best bet, works with DX12 and UWP. Get the latest alpha / beta version http://exkode.com/dxtory-downloads-en.html

If you want to benchmark (not just display FPS) check out PresentMon from Intel - https://github.com/GameTechDev/PresentMon/releases

Thanks