Dylan Farrow slaps Woody Allen around

[Markbnj]

What if there's evidence (maybe a lot of it) but no prosecution because the DA won't? Leave the man be?

Well... yeah. Not sure what else you can do. If we can't all agree that innocent until proven guilty is still important then we have a much bigger problem than shady shit possibly going on in one family, however famous. Once that agreement to trust the system to decide guilt or innocence breaks down we might as well all move to Botswana.

 

[surfsatwerk]

What if there's evidence (maybe a lot of it) but no prosecution because the DA won't? Leave the man be?

I have no fucking clue. Personally I think he didn't have enough evidence to convict and used the excuse of protecting the child to cover his ass.

If this happened in my town I would write letters to my mayor, senator, and congressman bitching to high heaven about it.

Regardless the whole situation is pretty fucked up. I think there is evidence for and against the guy and srsly hope that if there are other victims this publicity motivates them to come forward.

 

[Phoenix86]

Well... yeah. Not sure what else you can do. If we can't all agree that innocent until proven guilty is still important then we have a much bigger problem than shady shit possibly going on in one family, however famous. Once that agreement to trust the system to decide guilt or innocence breaks down we might as well all move to Botswana.

I have MUCH more faith in a guilty/not guilty verdict than I do with specific DAs. I think it's fair to say the entire judicial process is different then a single person's decision.

I suspect DAs prosecuting bad cases or not prosecuting good cases happens much more frequently than a bad verdict.

Society can and will do things to people it suspects are guilty but avoid justice (OJ for example).

 

[rommelrommel]

I don't understand. I quoted a specific message. One that read:

"And Allen actually tried to get the charges against..."

I believe that signing that petition has more or less zero correlation with being a pedophile, hence I do not understand why pointing it out brings anything to the discussion.

I think his defense of a pedophile is a legitimate indicator of his own proclivities.

Anyone that wants to give someone a pass on rape because they are famous or rich or old or whatever is a scumbag of some sort in my book.

 

[madoka]

Who the **** puts his head into the crotch of a 7 year old girl!?!?!?

"Another babysitter told police and also swore in court that on that same day, she saw Allen with his head on Dylan’s lap facing her body, while Dylan sat on a couch “staring vacantly in the direction of a television set.” A French tutor for the family told police and testified that that day she found Dylan was not wearing underpants under her sundress."

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/02/woody-allen-sex-abuse-10-facts

 

[mikeford]

Who believes a bunch of random accusations? Accepts them as fact when the legal system rejected them.

Find something useful to get excited about, Benghazi, IRS, fast and furious, Obamacare, read issues not what some personality was accused of during a divorce.

 

[madoka]

Who believes a bunch of random accusations? Accepts them as fact when the legal system rejected them.

Who responds without even bothering to read the link, which concluded with a link to the judge's 33 page scathing decision ripping on Woody Allen concluding that he acted “grossly inappropriate and that measures must be taken to protect her.”

Find something useful to get excited about, Benghazi, IRS, fast and furious, Obamacare, read issues not what some personality was accused of during a divorce.

If you aren't interested in this thread, you don't need to keep defending pedos here. There's plenty of threads on what interest you in P&N.

 

[MagickMan]

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20783306,00.html

Hmmm... who to believe?

Money can make people say nearly anything.

 

[Geosurface]

Never have cared for Woody Allen. I find these allegations very believable, though of course I can't be positive. It seems to fit an overall picture of him and his marrying Sun Yi, etc. It also fits with the vibe he puts off.

I've never had any outright hostile feelings toward him, just never really quite got what all the fuss was about.

Is Dylan Farrow Woody Allen's biological daughter?

 

[Tango]

I think his defense of a pedophile is a legitimate indicator of his own proclivities.

Anyone that wants to give someone a pass on rape because they are famous or rich or old or whatever is a scumbag of some sort in my book.

But if that's the case, you would conclude the entire who's who of cinema on both sides of the Atlantic is a bunch of pedophiles...

I've never had any outright hostile feelings toward him, just never really quite got what all the fuss was about.

The fuss is about the artist, not the man.

Being a pedophile did not make Nabokov any less an outstanding novelist, just like being anti-Semites did not make Pound or Celine less gifted writers.

I adore Allen's work, but this has zero influence on whether or not I think him guilty or innocent (I have no idea, but everybody is innocent until proven guilty).

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Woody Allen has issued a public response to the allegations, at http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/woody-allen-speaks-out.html?_r=2 Dylan has, in turn, responded, at http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dylan-farrow-responds-woody-allen-678552

At this point I believe it's more likely than not that these allegations were fabricated, probably based on coaching by Mia Farrow.

 

[Markbnj]

Woody Allen has issued a public response to the allegations, at http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/woody-allen-speaks-out.html?_r=2 Dylan has, in turn, responded, at http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dylan-farrow-responds-woody-allen-678552

At this point I believe it's more likely than not that these allegations were fabricated, probably based on coaching by Mia Farrow.

Maureen Orth, who's written two articles on the allegations, also published a piece on this today:

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/02/woody-allen-sex-abuse-10-facts

 

[rommelrommel]

But if that's the case, you would conclude the entire who's who of cinema on both sides of the Atlantic is a bunch of pedophiles...

It's an indicator. Not sufficient evidence to conclude that on just that evidence.

Allen however has a confluence of indicators that he is a pedophile and this is just another.

And the rest that signed are either uninformed or are scumbags. It's clear that Allen is a pedophile who got a pass just like Polanski because he's famous.

 

[Tango]

It's an indicator. Not sufficient evidence to conclude that on just that evidence.

Allen however has a confluence of indicators that he is a pedophile and this is just another.

And the rest that signed are either uninformed or are scumbags. It's clear that Allen is a pedophile who got a pass just like Polanski because he's famous.

I am not sure an indicator of what, given the tremendous variety of people on that list from basically every socio-ethnic-national perspective.

I also know quite a few people who supported that petition and are neither uninformed nor supportive of pedophilia.

 

[tom mazaway]

What really gives this credibility is Mia admitting that it may be possible and Ronan joking that his father is his brother in-law. Another fact may be that Woody Allen is sterile. Both his daughters with Soon-yi are adopted.

 

[tom mazaway]

I'm proud to finally produce for the world a real and honest photo comparison of a young Woody Allen, 'old blue eyes', and Ronan Farrow. I think Ronan favors Frankie.

 

[zinfamous]

back to class, spammer.

 

[IronWing]

I won't clicking be that photo/link.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Woody Allen is a living testament to the way our society fails the survivors of sexual assault and abuse.

Whoa lady, you just invited every internet tough guy to a throw down.

 

[amdhunter]

 

[smackababy]

I am glad this thread was bumped, so I can express how terrible Woody Allen's movies are. He should have been put in jail for that garbage a long time ago, pedo or not. How can people actually enjoy those awful fucking movies?

And, as far as I am aware, there is no statue of limitations on child molestation / sexual abuse. So, if Dylan was really intent on this, she could file charges.

 

[zinfamous]

I am glad this thread was bumped, so I can express how terrible Woody Allen's movies are. He should have been put in jail for that garbage a long time ago, pedo or not. How can people actually enjoy those awful fucking movies?

And, as far as I am aware, there is no statue of limitations on child molestation / sexual abuse. So, if Dylan was really intent on this, she could file charges.

A lot of his movies were great.

Also, these pedo and rape charges have pretty much been shown to be FUD, though no one really pays attention anymore. Mia took charge of controlling that story long ago, and the damage is probably unrecoverable.

BUT--this was necroed by a spammer and should probably be locked.

 

[tom mazaway]

Hey Zin,

Was Mia mistaken when she said Frank could be the father of Ronan? Maybe people like you could call her a whore? Don't forget, that Woody married an adopted daughter of Mia's who was adopted during her second marriage to Previn. THAT IS ALSO QUITE SICK.

 

[tom mazaway]

A lot of his movies were great.

Also, these pedo and rape charges have pretty much been shown to be FUD, though no one really pays attention anymore. Mia took charge of controlling that story long ago, and the damage is probably unrecoverable.

BUT--this was necroed by a spammer and should probably be locked.

Dylan has never been, nor will she ever be proven to be mistaken or a liar, or brainwashed. That's BS. Bring on your fake proof.

Woody raped Dylan, no doubt. While committing one of the most evil acts, he whispered stupidity to her about his stupid movies. THAT IS SICK.

 

[smackababy]

A lot of his movies were great.

Also, these pedo and rape charges have pretty much been shown to be FUD, though no one really pays attention anymore. Mia took charge of controlling that story long ago, and the damage is probably unrecoverable.

BUT--this was necroed by a spammer and should probably be locked.

Not a single movie written and directed by Woody Allen I've seen would be classified as "great" let alone "good". Ed Wood is a better writer / director!

As far as the allegations against him, I am not sure what to make of it. Which means Woody Allen's team did a pretty good job obscuring it with public opinion. I see nothing to gain from Dylan claiming these things happened, especially now.