E-cigarettes linked to incurable 'Popcorn Lung' disease

[Charmonium]

I tried a couple of ecigs with refillable cartridges and I wasn't impressed. But at the time the concentration of nicotine was no where near what you can get now. The reason I stopped using it was because I was hacking my lungs out. For the amount of vaping I was doing, I shouldn't have gotten a reaction that notably worse than smoking a few ciggies each day.

And I was using GC/MS tested juice I was getting from a UK supplier. So there shouldn't have been any issues with the purity of the product. I think that some people just can't handle inhaling glycol and glycerol. I get much better results from Nicotrol's nasal spray. Except shit is expensive as hell and they keep jacking up the price. So if I wanted to use it now, I would going through about $500-600 worth of product per month. So vaping is an insanely better deal if you can tolerate it.

 

[Phoenix86]

blah blah blah

Oh chief, I was .18% wrong, there's some water in it.

You're 49.82% wrong because it's no where near "mostly water vapor".

You got me there!!!

 

[funboy6942]

Oh chief, I was .18% wrong, there's some water in it.

You're 49.82% wrong because it's no where near "mostly water vapor".

You got me there!!!

Funny, I never once said the clouds were made up of mostly water vapor with you, SMOGZINN did, I was just trying to make you see the point you was trying to say that there was no water in this stuff when there is, so there was some water in the vapor, but I never once said the clouds were mostly made up of water vapor. Granted, if you mix the levels with stuff made up with more water content, you get bigger clouds, hence why if its made with more VG then PG the clouds are bigger, because there is more water content in the VG then the PG, which we both know that, for there is only .3% in PG, but if you go back, my main beef with you is you kept claiming there was ZERO water in the liquid at all, when there is. Nothing I said said anything about me claiming the clouds were mostly made up of water in themselves for hell, I dont know that. All I do know is if it is made up with stuff containing more water in them, I cloud up my room big time.

 

[Phoenix86]

Funny, I never once said the clouds were made up of mostly water vapor with you, SMOGZINN did...

Funny, I said to stop saying it's mostly water vapor, because it's not. Then you chimed in for, apparently .18% of a reason.

That's basically a trace amount of water, and that condensation in your stem? It's .18% water. I guess that technically makes you 99.82% wrong.

Anyways, thanks for the derail. My point that the vapor isn't water, and that people who are saying it are wrong still stands.

I need to read my sig more.

 

[monkstah]

So basically if you smoke it can hurt you, if you use an e-cig it can hurt you, and even if you smoke weed it can still hurt you as it burns your throat, lungs. Good times. We basically need a better way of getting that quick entry into our blood.

 

[bononos]

.......but people want to take this away from me, and force me to go back to smoking. I cant quit, Ive tried, but if I had to have the lesser of two evils, for fuck sakes let me keep this one!
....

Do you think cigarette companies are getting into this business as well or trying to quash it by funding certain types of medical studies?

 

[ZOXXO]

Stop saying that shit. There's 0 water in the vapor, and you're no better than all these idiots demonizing vaping by running the atomizers at 10X power and producing formaldehyde.

Since you a vaporizing it, there's no chemical reaction, only phase change. Please explain how, without a chemical reaction, you produce water from not water.

You do not produce the water you collect it. Both vegetable glycerin and propylene glycol, the primary ingredients of eliquid, are humectants. They attract and hold moisture from the air drawn through the vaporizer, the tissues of the mouth and lungs as well as the ambient air when exhaled.

The exhaled vapor cloud you see is indeed "mostly water vapor"

Furthermore some but not many eliquids have water in the mix. I myself mix 1-2% saline solution into my high VG juices in the winter months to thin it out for use in atomizers which do not wick efficiently when the cold temperatures thicken the juice.

 

[MongGrel]

You do not produce the water you collect it. Both vegetable glycerin and propylene glycol, the primary ingredients of eliquid, are humectants. They attract and hold moisture from the air drawn through the vaporizer, the tissues of the mouth and lungs as well as the ambient air when exhaled.

The exhaled vapor cloud you see is indeed "mostly water vapor"

Furthermore some but not many eliquids have water in the mix. I myself mix 1-2% saline solution into my high VG juices in the winter months to thin it out for use in atomizers which do not wick efficiently when the cold temperatures thicken the juice.

Long time no see.

Vape On

*wave*

 

[ZOXXO]

Howdy MonGrel
Vape On
and
Merry Christmas

 

[WelshBloke]

So basically if you smoke it can hurt you, if you use an e-cig it can hurt you, and even if you smoke weed it can still hurt you as it burns your throat, lungs.

You say that like it surprises you.

We aren't really built to ingest a lot of things through our lungs.

 

[Ichinisan]

Watched something that said there's 100x more of the stuff in cigarettes and no people have ever been found to develop it from vaping or smoking. "Popcorn lung" was coined when 8 people in a popcorn factory got it from working with powdered diacetyl (diacetyl adds buttery flavor). I think those are the only cases ever diagnosed.

So only some vaping liquids have it, and cigarettes have like 100x the amount.

 

[zinfamous]

Well, maybe stop sucking down buttered popcorn-flavored or appletini-flavored eCigs?

what kind of maroon smokes that shit anyway?

 

[ImpulsE69]

While discussing this topic, the topic of 'waxing' came up (for the potheads out there). I had never heard of this, and sounded pretty damn dangerous if I understood it correctly wouldn't the stuff solidify in their lungs? People and their addictions.

 

[MongGrel]

While discussing this topic, the topic of 'waxing' came up (for the potheads out there). I had never heard of this, and sounded pretty damn dangerous if I understood it correctly wouldn't the stuff solidify in their lungs? People and their addictions.

It's been around awhile, I know nothing about its use personally.

 

[DrDoug]

While discussing this topic, the topic of 'waxing' came up (for the potheads out there). I had never heard of this, and sounded pretty damn dangerous if I understood it correctly wouldn't the stuff solidify in their lungs? People and their addictions.

It's referred to as "dabbing" in these parts. Wax, crumble, shatter and the like. It's absolutely horrible, I've been doing it for years and my lungs are filled with wax.

The good part is now they're water repellent!

 

[OverVolt]

Watched something that said there's 100x more of the stuff in cigarettes and no people have ever been found to develop it from vaping or smoking. "Popcorn lung" was coined when 8 people in a popcorn factory got it from working with powdered diacetyl (diacetyl adds buttery flavor). I think those are the only cases ever diagnosed.

So only some vaping liquids have it, and cigarettes have like 100x the amount.

Someone sued microwave popcorn manufacturers I believe because they made 2 bags per day and always inhaled the fresh fumes and they got it.

I would imagine there is a spectrum between healthy and needing a lung transplant. Bottom line is inhaling diacetyl for that delicious inhaled buttery smooth aroma is dumb.

 

[DealODay]

Well given that it's new and due to the lack of regulation, this may not be across the board at all and who knows if that 75% number is true.

Nevertheless, it's quite sensationalist.There needs to be regulation pronto.

 

[Subyman]

Vapers deserve anything that comes their way

 

[Ichinisan]

Vapers deserve anything that comes their way

Do you feel the same way about smokers?