E Cigs nicotine delivery

[jmagg]

So anyway, after smoking for 30+ yrs and various quitting attempts, I tried an e cig. After the first drag, I knew it was strong mojo. It's been 27 days since i've had tobacco, but the long term health effects of the e cig are unknown. The only adverse effects to this point are a dry throat. Care to discuss?

 

[Spikesoldier]

gf's brother and his gf have tried to switch to e-cigarettes to save money. they said that the relatively large fixed cost of getting one and the price of cheap liquid nicotine would beat paying $7.00 a pack.

they have since reverted to chain smoking cigarettes about a month after they started the e-cigs.

i facepalmed when bro in law said that they smoke regular cigarettes as a 'treat' like after they get off their shift at work.

 

[jmagg]

I have no desire for tobacco at this point. Startup costs are about 60 bucks for a good device.

 

[Slapstick]

I have one for work and home. Still smoke regular cigs when I feel like it but it cut down from a pack a day/ pack and a half a day to less than half a pack. If your throat is getting a little raw you might be sensitive to the PG formula. I use Johnson Creek's Red Oak linewhich is PG free. http://www.johnsoncreeksmokejuice.com/

 

[jmagg]

I'll have to try 100% VG. Does the VG cause congestion?

 

[Vic Vega]

So anyway, after smoking for 30+ yrs and various quitting attempts, I tried an e cig. After the first drag, I knew it was strong mojo. It's been 27 days since i've had tobacco, but the long term health effects of the e cig are unknown. The only adverse effects to this point are a dry throat. Care to discuss?

Here you go.

 

[Modelworks]

My concern with them is that people will consume more nicotine since they are not concerned with the health effects of smoke. Then you get used to a higher level of nicotine and if you do go back to smoking will smoke more to match the level. Nicotine is a VERY strong drug. If you purchase the laboratory grade you can overdose from just a drop of it

 

[bobdole369]

The only adverse effects to this point are a dry throat. Care to discuss?

Nicotine is a dangerous, powerfully addictive drug *** that hasn't been proven to cause cancer*** It's common delivery mechanism causes cancer. So the health benefits are fairly muted. Vic's got it right. You might not be smoking tobacco, but shoot I'd almost rather smoke than basically mainline nicotine. You've gone from sprinkling a little powder coke on your joint to shooting it up or freebasing.

Seriously - while folks are really big on these right now because they don't stink, people can use them everywhere, etc. Its no different then the gum, the patch, lozenge etc. That is you aren't smoking, but you are still addicted.

I won't preach on about why you should quit, just note that it is indeed possible. Just stop doing it. Its that easy.

(qualifier (my own opinion) - I'm an asshole former smoker. Quit reading if you can't take it. I quit cold turkey 15 months ago after 19 years of smoking and see current smokers as "weak". I think the whole thing is now disgusting, despicable, and without any redeeming value. I respect your right to do it, while you must respect my right to tell you how stupid you are. People who "enjoy smoking" are idiots. They don't enjoy it. Nobody does. Seriously you are retarded if you think anybody who does it "enjoys" any aspect of smoking. What it really is: ***You dislike withdrawals MORE than the act of smoking*** Thus you continue to delude yourself by saying "I enjoy this". Much like a Type 1 diabetic "enjoys" testing sugar and injecting insulin every day. That is to say they hate dying far more. ) /endrant

 

[Jesusthewererabbit]

Nicotine is a dangerous, powerfully addictive drug that causes cancer. So the health benefits are fairly muted. Vic's got it right. You might not be smoking tobacco, but shoot I'd almost rather smoke than basically mainline nicotine. You've gone from sprinkling a little powder coke on your joint to shooting it up or freebasing.

Seriously - while folks are really big on these right now because they don't stink, people can use them everywhere, etc. Its no different then the gum, the patch, lozenge etc. That is you aren't smoking, but you are still addicted.

I won't preach on about why you should quit, just note that it is indeed possible. Just stop doing it. Its that easy.

Is it good for you? Probably not. Is it better than smoking? Hell yes. I've been using it for a couple of months. Why didn't I just quit? Because I'm a wuss, and I enjoy everything about smoking except the smoke.

I get all of my stuff from http://www.altsmoke.com. Good prices, and super fast shipping. I haven't found a flavor that has sucked either.

 

[bobdole369]

Is it better than smoking? Hell yes.

Is it?

Is concentrating the main damage/cancer causing and addictive chemical better than using something that grows in the ground?

PG as some have mentioned might have its own issues.

Smoking is bad, but I feel E-cigs are like crack.

And with that said - I'm exiting this thread. I am not into debating the pros and cons of these things as I don't want to hijack, plus as I'm obviously against nicotine use (asshole former smoker here) I'm biased.

 

[Slapstick]

Nicotine is a dangerous, powerfully addictive drug that causes cancer. So the health benefits are fairly muted. Vic's got it right. You might not be smoking tobacco, but shoot I'd almost rather smoke than basically mainline nicotine. You've gone from sprinkling a little powder coke on your joint to shooting it up or freebasing.

Seriously - while folks are really big on these right now because they don't stink, people can use them everywhere, etc. Its no different then the gum, the patch, lozenge etc. That is you aren't smoking, but you are still addicted.

I won't preach on about why you should quit, just note that it is indeed possible. Just stop doing it. Its that easy.

So much wrong with this post! Nicotine does not cause cancer, it is an alkaloid that is addictive and a poison but it doesn't cause cancer. The nicotine received from an e-cig is rather low and most e-cig vapor actually contains less less carcinogenic material that the FDA approved patch, the only exception was the e-cig smoke juice form China, (not a surprise on that one).

And while , "Just Stop Doing it" may have been easy for you I'm sure you're in the minority on that point. Are e-cigs perfect? Of course not but the real question is are they a safer alternative to the real thing.

 

[Slapstick]

I'll have to try 100% VG. Does the VG cause congestion?

Not for me, it seems smoother and less irritating than the PG.

 

[jupiter57]

Nicotine is a dangerous, powerfully addictive drug that causes cancer. So the health benefits are fairly muted. Vic's got it right. You might not be smoking tobacco, but shoot I'd almost rather smoke than basically mainline nicotine. You've gone from sprinkling a little powder coke on your joint to shooting it up or freebasing.

Seriously - while folks are really big on these right now because they don't stink, people can use them everywhere, etc. Its no different then the gum, the patch, lozenge etc. That is you aren't smoking, but you are still addicted.

I won't preach on about why you should quit, just note that it is indeed possible. Just stop doing it. Its that easy.

If you actually smoked (inhaled), & did for more than a few years, you would know that this statement is not true.
It is NOT easy!
I have smoked for ~40 years. I now have Emphysema, making even most physical projects hard or even impossible at times. (Even Sex!)

I have been making a very determined effort to stop smoking for the past 3 years.
Quitting is the absolute hardest thing I have ever attempted.
I know it is nasty, unhealthy, disgusting, and is surely going to kill me, but yet I cannot stay away from them for more than a few days or weeks at a time.

I can go a week without a cigarette, then just one will cause me trouble.

No, it is not easy. It gets harder & harder the longer you smoke. So the best advice I can give is: If you do not smoke, don't start. If you do smoke, make every attempt you can as soon as you can.

Back on topic: I used the e-cigs for several months last year, they will and do work as far as the craving for nicotine is concerned.
My only issue with them is my medical condition, inhaling the vapor into my diseased lungs was not good. Kept developing Bronchitis far too often. Finally, the Physician at the Urgent Treatment center explained to me the cause.

The craving for nicotine is one thing to deal with, but remember, along with the nicotine, the cigarettes are also putting a plethora of other foreign chemicals that your body craves also. But satisfying that nicotine craving is the biggest hurdle.

 

[CurseTheSky]

No, it is not easy. It gets harder & harder the longer you smoke. So the best advice I can give is: If you do not smoke, don't start. If you do smoke, make every attempt you can as soon as you can.

This. I feel for people that have been smoking for decades and are now trying to quit - not because they deserve any sympathy for their health or other conditions, but because the long term affects of cigarettes weren't as well known decades ago as they are today.

With that said, the biggest factor in it is willpower. If you tell yourself that IS what you're going to do, all you have to do is stick with it. It'll be difficult, but there is no one holding a gun to your head forcing you to grab another cigarette. The next time you get the urge, just remember that simple fact - you're stronger than this.

Good luck to you.

 

[frostedflakes]

Nicotine is a dangerous, powerfully addictive drug that causes cancer. So the health benefits are fairly muted. Vic's got it right. You might not be smoking tobacco, but shoot I'd almost rather smoke than basically mainline nicotine. You've gone from sprinkling a little powder coke on your joint to shooting it up or freebasing.

Seriously - while folks are really big on these right now because they don't stink, people can use them everywhere, etc. Its no different then the gum, the patch, lozenge etc. That is you aren't smoking, but you are still addicted.

I won't preach on about why you should quit, just note that it is indeed possible. Just stop doing it. Its that easy.

Yeah, you might need to cite that one.

Nicotine is far from healthy for you. It's a vasoconstrictor, for example, and really isn't that good for your circulatory system. Can't say I've ever heard of nicotine by itself without all the smoke causing cancer, though.

 

[rudeguy]

What brand did you get?

 

[bobdole369]

I'm gonna go ahead and reneg on that whole "nicotine causes cancer". I was mistaken.

 

[lxskllr]

Back on topic: I used the e-cigs for several months last year, they will and do work as far as the craving for nicotine is concerned.
My only issue with them is my medical condition, inhaling the vapor into my diseased lungs was not good. Kept developing Bronchitis far too often. Finally, the Physician at the Urgent Treatment center explained to me the cause.

The craving for nicotine is one thing to deal with, but remember, along with the nicotine, the cigarettes are also putting a plethora of other foreign chemicals that your body craves also. But satisfying that nicotine craving is the biggest hurdle.

Can't tell from your post, but if you haven't quit yet, give snus(from Sweden, not the American crap), and nasal snuff a try. Both are virtually harmless, and will give you nicotine without working your lungs over.

 

[jmagg]

I appreciate all the responses.

I do feel the vape is the better of two evils. Aside from the raw throat, my energy level is better, I am sleeping better, and my wind is (marginally) better, and the deep wheeze is mostly gone. I believe I can ween down nic strengths and eventually quit.

Slapstick, I'll try the VG, thx for the suggestion.

Rudeguy, I use a Riva.