You need to expand my article quote.
Mmm.. do the, say E85, also go stale after about 2-3 years?
edit : Daijm... E10 has a shelflife of 3 months? That would be a consideration for some people as well.
What happened to Super Ethanols and post-Ethanols?
=> Cellulosic ethanol (2006)
=> Biobutanol (2007)
It seems that its ethanols affinity for water that drews in the issues.. Ive heard that of gas as well, though whatever I put in my lawmower seems to survive the season without problems.. I guess thats actually 5% eth as well!!Unless they plan on treating it with something, it probably has a short shelf life as well.
I'll fill up my containers for the mower/snowblower and pour in startron right away, otherwise the gas won't work after a week or two.
It seems that its ethanols affinity for water that drews in the issues.. Ive heard that of gas as well, though whatever I put in my lawmower seems to survive the season without problems.. I guess thats actually 5% eth as well!!
Around my area, E10 is the norm. If you don't treat the fuel, it's done pretty quick. Yea, its affnity for water is a problem. Using an ethanol treatment helps.
Stihl brand sells ethanol free fuel for small engines, but it's not cheap.
Same. However even treated it gums up if left to sit after a long time.
I'm careful to run the generator and go cart engines every now and then to run some fuel through it. MIL had a generator that gummed up and wouldn't start after a big storm. Added stabil, but she thought that was good enough and it sat for a year or so and was ruined.
My neighbors have had to have chainsaws, trimmer etc repaired/carbs replaced after it gums up after sitting. He's started buying the bottled E0 fuel like you mention, but it's like $25/gal.
It's a shit fuel for these applications that just causes lots of extra work and expense to manage for consumers.
Keeps all those small engine repair places going, and the parts chain running, winning.
For reals, my wife's family is all mechanics, got a 12 YO which is obvious it's in his blood. I break stuff, he fixes it.
Its amazing whit kids like that. I had a friend and he was rebuilding small RC gas engines starting at 9. I'm the son of a mechanic, and its not in my blood for sure. I helped at the shop doing small things like break jobs, oil changes, radiator changes ect. I did not hate it, but, I did not have a passion to work on cars like my dad did. But, watching him and my friend work on engines was fun.
I remember reading ten years ago how switchgrass was on the way to take over for ethanol production.Here's a wiki for Cellulosic, more comprehensive than I expected. I didnt read all of it, theres an economic section.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulosic_ethanol?wprov=sfla1
Seems like the government has been encouraging it, but not much action.
I remember reading ten years ago how switchgrass was on the way to take over for ethanol production.
This is from that wiki articleIt seems to me, based on the wiki and my limited understanding, that Cellulosic would be a more likely option to create ethanol. Considering how much waste would be able to throw into the process.
Maybe @Paratus or @zinfamous can chime in
Other enzyme companies, such as Dyadic International,[33] are developing genetically engineered fungi which would produce large volumes of cellulase, xylanase and hemicellulase enzymes, which can be used to convert agricultural residues such as corn stover, distiller grains, wheat straw and sugarcane bagasse and energy crops such as switchgrass into fermentable sugars which may be used to produce cellulosic ethanol.
This is from that wiki article
Sure, we'll see how it goes. Wonder how much pollution will be involved in growing the fungus and harvesti g the enzymes
I wasn't offering any commentary, just clarifying that switchgrass can be used for cellulosic ethanol (I feel like you thought I was saying it would be an alternative), and that I remember it being "on the horizon" a decade ago but so far hasn't come along.Sure, we'll see how it goes. Wonder how much pollution will be involved in growing the fungus and harvesti g the enzymes
Are you sure about that? Around here E10 is about $0.40 cheaper than non-ethanol gas (and we have a ton of availability of non-ethanol) and E85 is cheaper again.It's just another way for Trump to pump a little sunshine up everybody's skirts. Like i said earlier, oil companies won't put any more ethanol into gasoline than mandated because it costs them money to do so.
It seems to me, based on the wiki and my limited understanding, that Cellulosic would be a more likely option to create ethanol. Considering how much waste would be able to throw into the process.
Maybe @Paratus or @zinfamous can chime in
I was under the impression this was due to subsidies.Are you sure about that? Around here E10 is about $0.40 cheaper than non-ethanol gas (and we have a ton of availability of non-ethanol) and E85 is cheaper again.
Are you sure about that? Around here E10 is about $0.40 cheaper than non-ethanol gas (and we have a ton of availability of non-ethanol) and E85 is cheaper again.
The people that decide on the blending though are the local gas stations, not the refiners. So for them it is cheaper to buy the blended gas, so they do. The blending is performed at the transfer stations where the gas is moved from the pipelines to delivery trucks.Logic dictates that what I said is true. Let's say I'm a gasoline producer. I show a profit on production. The only way I increase profit blending in somebody else's product is if I can buy it cheaper than I can deliver my own. If ethanol production weren't subsidized heavily that would never be true.
So if Trump wants to go to E15 we'll spend more in subsidies to have it. Not that he cares or that he introduced this as a practical matter at all. It just sells in farm country.