E2xxx and E4xxx overclock thread

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Replay

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Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Originally posted by: Replay
E2140 @ 3.208 Ghz (L2) 8x401 Prime95 stable.... Very happy to get a 100% overclock on this chip. Low multi and fsb wall are holding it back.

There shouldn't be a FSB wall on the MB. The E21x0 and E4xx0 chips will top out around 425MHz FSB. Try upping NB and SB by one notch. Also use 5-5-5-15-2T timing.

I appreciate how quick and generous you are to help others on Anand (and on the Abit forums). Cpu testing starts with low and relaxed memory settings, and memory tests begin with low cpu speeds. Then I test with tight ram timings, and the maximum stable cpu speed.

The FSB wall, and low multi, which I refer to, are limitations of the individual cpu chip (and not the motherboard). Perhaps my terminology is wrong? Bumping the bridges has helped wring significantly more speed from chips with higher multipliers, but these 8x chips refuse to go higher. Most of them run right up to a frequency wall, at relatively low core voltages, and go no further.

I believe the Intel cpu packaging for low-end products limits the stable front side bus frequency to around 400 Mhz +/- some Mhz. Looking in this thread, and elsewhere, it is a rare E21x0 which goes much higher than 400 Mhz. With a higher multiplier, and a lower fsb, these same cores commonly reach higher clock speeds.

The motherboard can do better, perhaps 500 Mhz. This ram tests good to DDR 1132 with 5-5-5-15 timings. And I think the silicon in the cpu would do better, but for the high frequency limitations of the packaging.

I still wonder if the BSEL mod to a 333 MHz initial bus speed would loosen some timings enough to squeeze a little more from these 8x chips. From what I've read it probably is not worth the effort. But, since I cannot stop tinkering with this stuff I may yet try that mod. I'm also toying with the idea of adding some more smd capacitors to the underside of the chip package.




 

Arcanedeath

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Jan 29, 2000
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CPU:e2140(m0)
FSB and Multi: 8x400 3.2Ghz
Vcore:1.350 (bios) 1.335V load
Mobo: Asus P5K Deluxe (603 bios)
RAM: 2x 2GB of super talent ddr2 800 @ stock 1:1 w/1.9v
Cooling: AeroCool Dominator (140mm low rpm fan)

This is a system I made for my Father for Xmas he's happy w/ 3.2 and didn't want me to bother trying to push it farther, its 24hr OCCT Prime 95 stable (blend and small fft)
 

SerpentRoyal

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May 20, 2007
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Originally posted by: Replay
Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Originally posted by: Replay
E2140 @ 3.208 Ghz (L2) 8x401 Prime95 stable.... Very happy to get a 100% overclock on this chip. Low multi and fsb wall are holding it back.

There shouldn't be a FSB wall on the MB. The E21x0 and E4xx0 chips will top out around 425MHz FSB. Try upping NB and SB by one notch. Also use 5-5-5-15-2T timing.

I appreciate how quick and generous you are to help others on Anand (and on the Abit forums). Cpu testing starts with low and relaxed memory settings, and memory tests begin with low cpu speeds. Then I test with tight ram timings, and the maximum stable cpu speed.

The FSB wall, and low multi, which I refer to, are limitations of the individual cpu chip (and not the motherboard). Perhaps my terminology is wrong? Bumping the bridges has helped wring significantly more speed from chips with higher multipliers, but these 8x chips refuse to go higher. Most of them run right up to a frequency wall, at relatively low core voltages, and go no further.

I believe the Intel cpu packaging for low-end products limits the stable front side bus frequency to around 400 Mhz +/- some Mhz. Looking in this thread, and elsewhere, it is a rare E21x0 which goes much higher than 400 Mhz. With a higher multiplier, and a lower fsb, these same cores commonly reach higher clock speeds.

The motherboard can do better, perhaps 500 Mhz. This ram tests good to DDR 1132 with 5-5-5-15 timings. And I think the silicon in the cpu would do better, but for the high frequency limitations of the packaging.

I still wonder if the BSEL mod to a 333 MHz initial bus speed would loosen some timings enough to squeeze a little more from these 8x chips. From what I've read it probably is not worth the effort. But, since I cannot stop tinkering with this stuff I may yet try that mod. I'm also toying with the idea of adding some more smd capacitors to the underside of the chip package.



You can try the pin mod but don't expect to add more than 200MHz unless you're willing to pump a lot of voltage to the chip. The general rule is to discover the maximum stable core speed at default VID, then add about 400MHz of core speed if you have a great chip and very good CPU/MOSFET/NB/SB cooling.
 

ZOXXO

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Another to add if this thread isn't considered dead at this point.

E2180@3.2ghz
8x400
1.344v
Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L
G.Skill 2x1GB DDR2 800 @ 800MHz 5-5-5-15 1.8v
AC Freezer 7 Pro


Currently 12 hours into Prime95 stress testing without a hiccup.

Could probably get more out of this setup but there is no need to push to the limits for a pogo/email machine.

 

Punjab234

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Dec 19, 2007
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E2140 M0 @ 3.46GHz (433X8)
1.38v Orthos
Abit IP35-E
Thermalright Ultima 90i, Arctic MX-2
Transcend DDR2 667MHz @ 866MHz 4-4-4-12 2T 2.1v
Super Pi 1M = 17.625sec

Click here
 

rbk123

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Zach - I just noticed my entry reads 3.2G with 8x375. That should read 8x400; not sure how I messed that one up.
 

brencat

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Originally posted by: Punjab234
E2140 M0 @ 3.46GHz (433X8)
1.38v Orthos
Abit IP35-E
Thermalright Ultima 90i, Arctic MX-2
Transcend DDR2 667MHz @ 866MHz 4-4-4-12 2T 2.1v
Super Pi 1M = 17.625sec

Click here
Very nice chip you got there Punjab. Nice overclock, and not too high vcore either. So you are using 1.425v in Bios I'm assuming?
 

Punjab234

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Dec 19, 2007
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Originally posted by: brencat
Originally posted by: Punjab234
E2140 M0 @ 3.46GHz (433X8)
1.38v Orthos
Abit IP35-E
Thermalright Ultima 90i, Arctic MX-2
Transcend DDR2 667MHz @ 866MHz 4-4-4-12 2T 2.1v
Super Pi 1M = 17.625sec

Click here
Very nice chip you got there Punjab. Nice overclock, and not too high vcore either. So you are using 1.425v in Bios I'm assuming?

Yes 1.425v in BIOS, 1.38 under Orthos.
 

lopri

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Jul 27, 2002
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Replaced my olde E2140 with a new one and the difference is night and day.

E2140 (M0) @ 3.20GHz, 400 x 8
1.334v (Idle, 33~35C) / 1.312v (Load, 58~60C)
2x1GB Buffalo Firestix DDR2-800/5-5-5/1.9V
EVGA 680i SLI, P31 BIOS
Intel Stock HSF for E6400


E2140 (M0) @ 3.40GHz, 425 x 8
1.392v (Idle, 28~30C) / 1.376v (Load, 48~50C)
2x1GB Buffalo Firestix DDR2-850/5-5-5/1.9v
EVGA 680i SLI, P31 BIOS
Scythe Andy Samurai Master HSF
 

lopri

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Oops.. Forgot the shots.

3200

http://img254.imageshack.us/my...?image=3200loadff0.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/my...?image=3200idleeb7.jpg

3400

http://img256.imageshack.us/my...?image=3400loadpr8.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/my...?image=3400idlefa2.jpg

Should do 3.50~3.60GHz on Intel chipsets, I'd think.

Edit: My old E2140 wouldn't go past 350FSB no matter what I did. Picked this E2140 for mere $59 at a local MicroCenter without much thinking (thanks to its low price, even compared to online vendors) and I am glad that I did. It's my first 100%+ OC ever.
 

BlueAcolyte

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Bump. I will be booting up my computer soon, how far do you think I can push an E4500 to without a VCore over 1.35? (before VDroop)
 

MBrown

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E4500 @ 3GHz (273x11) Bios voltage 1.43 Core Temp voltage 1.325
Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L
Crucial Ballistix Tracer 2x1GB @ 816 4-4-4-12
Idle 33C 100% load 50 64C (Peaked at 64C during orthos for a second.)
160GB Western Digital 16MB cache
Arctic Cooling Freezer7 Pro
EVGA 8800gts 640MB (600/1600)
Antec p182 Antec neoHE 500W
Memorex DVD-burner
LG 22" Widescreen Flatron LCD


Edit: CPU-Z reads 1.392V for VCore.
 

BlueAcolyte

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Hmm, MBrown, are you sure of that? That's incredible VDroop, why don't you read the VCore out of CPU-Z? I've never heard of 0.11 VDroop...
 

s1d3way

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Nov 22, 2007
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E2140 M0
400x8 = 3.2ghz
P35-DS3L
2x1gb Corsair XMS2 667mhz
1:1 RAM:FSB
Stock Cooler, idles @ 27C, full load <55
 

VirtualLarry

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Aug 25, 2001
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Originally posted by: s1d3way
E2140 M0
400x8 = 3.2ghz
P35-DS3L
2x1gb Corsair XMS2 667mhz
1:1 RAM:FSB
Stock Cooler, idles @ 27C, full load <55

What's your BIOS and actual vcore settings? Those are excellent temps btw.
 

MBrown

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Originally posted by: BlueAcolyte
Hmm, MBrown, are you sure of that? That's incredible VDroop, why don't you read the VCore out of CPU-Z? I've never heard of 0.11 VDroop...

CPU-Z says 1.392V
 

s1d3way

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Nov 22, 2007
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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Originally posted by: s1d3way
E2140 M0
400x8 = 3.2ghz
P35-DS3L
2x1gb Corsair XMS2 667mhz
1:1 RAM:FSB
Stock Cooler, idles @ 27C, full load <55

What's your BIOS and actual vcore settings? Those are excellent temps btw.


using the P35-DS3L board & the E2140, i found it best to keep the voltage setting in "auto" mode. also, since i wont be using this PC, it best to keep things simple.

here's the result i saved a while back:

http://i203.photobucket.com/al...ngtofu/E2140OCed-1.jpg
 

VirtualLarry

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Showing 1.392v in CPU-Z.

How the heck do you have higher vcore, and yet, better temps than I do, and I'm using a HyperTX2, and you're using the stock cooler. Something is whacked about that.

 

s1d3way

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Nov 22, 2007
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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Showing 1.392v in CPU-Z.

How the heck do you have higher vcore, and yet, better temps than I do, and I'm using a HyperTX2, and you're using the stock cooler. Something is whacked about that.

LOL

here's the latest screen shots i just took, the top shows the temperature of the cpu being stressed under OTHOS, and the bottom shows the idle temp after OTHOS has been stopped. as you can see, full load is 57C, and idle is 27C.
 

GundamF91

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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Showing 1.392v in CPU-Z.

How the heck do you have higher vcore, and yet, better temps than I do, and I'm using a HyperTX2, and you're using the stock cooler. Something is whacked about that.


Just keep in mind that it's a "lottery" CPU drawing. Even the same processor model from same batch won't perform the same. Your default factory vCore is probably different from the s1d3way, and there's minor performance characteristic difference too.
 
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