E4300 vs. E6300/6400

[steves21]

I am in the market to build a new system and have been doing research over the past few months. I plan to overclock this system and am pretty clear on the parts I want to get.

However, with the recent release of the E4300 my choice on CPU is a little harder. I was originally going to purchase a E6300/6400, one or the other depending on budjet or price. Now I am reconsidering. I am looking to go with either the 4300 or the 6300. Which do you think is better overall and would overclock the highest? The price difference between these two are minimal and arent of much concern. I am just looking for the best bang for my buck. Would you pick the 6400 over both the 4300 and 6300?

 

[dangtong]

Originally posted by: steves21
I am in the market to build a new system and have been doing research over the past few months. I plan to overclock this system and am pretty clear on the parts I want to get.

However, with the recent release of the E4300 my choice on CPU is a little harder. I was originally going to purchase a E6300/6400, one or the other depending on budjet or price. Now I am reconsidering. I am looking to go with either the 4300 or the 6300. Which do you think is better overall and would overclock the highest? The price difference between these two are minimal and arent of much concern. I am just looking for the best bang for my buck. Would you pick the 6400 over both the 4300 and 6300?

overclock + best bang for my buck = E4300. Easier to OC and OC speed can go higher. Can be OCed with cheap RAM, etc..

 

[steves21]

I'm not just talking clock speed though. Will an overclocked e4300 beat a 6300 or 6400 in most benchmarks?

 

[Avalon]

If it's overclocked higher than a stock E6300/E6400, then of course
But clock for clock, if they were run at the same FSB, they'd perform identically.

They will likely overclock to the same ceiling.

 

[steves21]

So what I take from this is get the 4300? Cheaper and I can go with cheaper memory too at the same time getting the same performance I would out of the 6300?

 

[tallman45]

Keep in mind shortly the E6300 and E6400's will cost the same as now but have 4mb of l2 cache. That in itself will make any current inventory of L2 procs obsolete and a great deal.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

Originally posted by: Avalon
They will likely overclock to the same ceiling.

maybe ur right maybe ur just speculating.

 

[steves21]

Thats Q2 though. I've been waiting a while for new technologies to come into the market before I built a new system. And my wait has been extended because of new parts. It just seems like if I wait for Q2 to come around before I build a system that there will be newer and better parts/prices in Q3.

 

[TRD3SGTE]

E4300 : 200FSB x 9 = 1.800GHz
E6300 : 266FSB x 7 = 1.866GHz

at STOCK setting, E6300 is faster by 6% since it has 0.066Ghz more speed.

If you set your E4300 to 266FSB and lower the multipler from 9 to 7, you will have what's basically the E6300; just no Virtualization tech which we don't need.

E4300 is better bang for the buck IF the price is cheaper than E6300 (which is not the case as of now). E4300 could run 3.6Ghz (400FSB x 9) using DDR2 800, while an E6300 requires DDR2 1028 which is more expensive (514FSB x 7 = 3.6Ghz)

 

[cnhoff]

E4300 vs. E6300 overclocked

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: tallman45
Keep in mind shortly the E6300 and E6400's will cost the same as now but have 4mb of l2 cache. That in itself will make any current inventory of L2 procs obsolete and a great deal.

well they wont have 4mb the 6320 and 6420 do

 

[tallman45]

Originally posted by: hans007

Originally posted by: tallman45
Keep in mind shortly the E6300 and E6400's will cost the same as now but have 4mb of l2 cache. That in itself will make any current inventory of L2 procs obsolete and a great deal.

well they wont have 4mb the 6320 and 6420 do

And they will cost the same as the E6300 and E6400 so who would buy the 2mb cache versions....No-body

 

[lopri]

At the current prices, E4300 isn't a better choice than an E6300/E6400, IMO. E4300's doesn't look to be clocking any higher than E6300/E6400. It does make sense to an extent considering that many E6300/E6400s are 'rejects' from E6600/E6700 due to defective L2 cache. But I do think E4300 probably runs cooler and/or with lower voltages than E6300/E6400, other things being equal.

 

[Cheex]

Keep in mind that the price of the E4300 is going to come down fast in Q2 to reach its MSRP of US$113. Personally, I think i'm waiting on the E4400 @ $133.

 

[n23sh]

But E4300 has a 9X multiplier instead of 7x or 8x that E6300 and E6400 have. And you can overclock E4300 simpler with cheaper memory. Am I right?

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

in theory this would be true, in practice conroe seems to be a cpu that loves high fsb, if it turns out that allendales lowered fsb is due to production issues (which is only speculation) but if that turns out to be true than allendales might not respond as good as conroes to high fsb oc´s. maybe they will hit the wall earlier.
speculatin and prophesing doom and destruction ^^

 

[TRD3SGTE]

E4300 has 9x multiplier
E6300 has 7x multiplier
E6800 has 11x multiplier

E6300 has been proven to run 500FSB, resulting to 3.5GHZ
I've never seen a E6800 runs 500FSB, which would hit 5.5GHZ

Techspot reviewed E4300 at 3.4Ghz, because they could NOT hit higher than that.
In theory, E4300 at 500FSB would hit 4.5GHZ. But in reality, nobody has hit 4.5Ghz with E4300.

So even though the multiplier is 9x on E4300, it might not overclock as well as E6300.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: n23sh
can overclock E4300 simpler with cheaper memory. Am I right?

That's the idea. Yes, many have run C2D at super high FSB. Yes, at same MHz a higher FSB is faster. Yes, at this time there is no price advantage to buying an E4300 over an E6300 (except for that $150 Fry's deal with mobo). Yes. Yes .Yes.

However, the E4300 lets you get by with cheaper RAM and motherboard to hit similar clocks.

All this is in theory. In practice, besides the reviews here, one guy at Xtremesystems hit over 3.6GHz with an E4300. Note that what they consider "stable" is probably not the same as what most people here would do for an everyday-use system.

The E4x00 series is interesting to me because I like mATX setups, and unless Abit proves us wrong in the next few months, most mATX C2D boards do not overclock very high.

As always with overclocking and strippers, YMMV.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch

Originally posted by: Avalon
They will likely overclock to the same ceiling.

maybe ur right maybe ur just speculating.

I'm not really speculating. Every review site I've seen has hit ~3.4Ghz with the chip, which is right around what most E6300/E6400 chips do these days.

 

[Skott]

Its simple really. Going by the latest preview/review. Stock form 6300 better than E4300. In overclock form they are almost equal with the E6300 being just 50MHz faster/better. But as the price of the E4300 drops it becomes the better bang for buck value since it overclocks nearly as good as the E6300.

So what to do? If you plan to overclock (IMHO) buy whichever one is cheapest to your doorstep. In two or three months the most obvious answer is going to be the E4300 when it finally gets down to $130 and the E6300 is still around $180. Till then just buy whichever one is cheaper and overclock it to the max.

 

[Arkaign]

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[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: n23sh
But E4300 has a 9X multiplier instead of 7x or 8x that E6300 and E6400 have. And you can overclock E4300 simpler with cheaper memory. Am I right?

Some boards don't seem to support 1:1 for the E4300 currently

 

[netjack]

what will the 4mb of the 6320 translate into laymen's terms? faster overall performance?

 

[Journer]

get the e4400...cheap but 8x multiplyer...ive got mine running at 3.2 stable

 

[munisgtm]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy

Originally posted by: n23sh
But E4300 has a 9X multiplier instead of 7x or 8x that E6300 and E6400 have. And you can overclock E4300 simpler with cheaper memory. Am I right?

Some boards don't seem to support 1:1 for the E4300 currently

does Intel Bad axe 2 supports 1:1 for E4300 ?