E6300 + DS3 overclocking help. 430x7 stable, 443x7 complete lockup in windows

[darkhorror]

at 430fsb I have no problems at all ran orthos for 18 hours, never had any problems running BF2, or oblivion.

When I try 443fsb, I can get into windows usually startup orthos, then anywhere from a few seconds to a couple minutes everything just locks up. and I have to restart from my case.

I have tried raising the VCore to 1.375 didn't do anything, also tried lowering the multiplier to 6 so I was at 443x6, that also didn't do anything. Tried raising the MCH to +.2v, FSB to +.2v, no luck there ether. Tried raising VDimm to +.2V, also lowing memory timings to 6, 6, 6, 20. None of it seemed to do anything.

I have stock HSF underload core temp gives me 51C, DS3 with fan on NB, system temp is around 39-41C. My memory is patriot 5300 cas4, and even at 450 does fine on memtest.

 

[jhill1]

umm...probably just because its the limit for your setup. 3ghz isnt bad as it it you can definatley look at the stock hsf as the cause, getting a better one and some as5 would probably let you push it a little further

 

[darkhorror]

I wouldn't think that CPU heat is the problem, as running it at 6x443 gave me the same problem as 7x443. Now I am thinking heat in some other part of the motherboard may be a problem.

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: darkhorror
I wouldn't think that CPU heat is the problem, as running it at 6x443 gave me the same problem as 7x443. Now I am thinking heat in some other part of the motherboard may be a problem.

You answered your own question.

Your CPU is obviously not the issue.

So it's either mobo or RAM.

Your mobo is known to get over 450+ on average, so what does that leave you with?

RAM.

Memtest is not run in Windows, which is why i consider it useless for stability testing.

Everything you've stated basically points to your RAM crapping out.

Time for some Team Group PC2-8000

 

[Jen]

try adding a fan over the northbridge and see if that helps you with stability . i can manage up to 486 fsb but not stable above 458 fsb so far with my board. i do have the northbridge watercooled though

hugs

Jen

 

[OcHungry]

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: darkhorror
I wouldn't think that CPU heat is the problem, as running it at 6x443 gave me the same problem as 7x443. Now I am thinking heat in some other part of the motherboard may be a problem.

You answered your own question.

Your CPU is obviously not the issue.

So it's either mobo or RAM.

Your mobo is known to get over 450+ on average, so what does that leave you with?

RAM.

Memtest is not run in Windows, which is why i consider it useless for stability testing.

Everything you've stated basically points to your RAM crapping out.

Time for some Team Group PC2-8000

wrong. Those rams are known to do great in or out of win @ and over DDR2 800.
Time for you to stop your repeated ill advise and do some search (for a chanege) before speak.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: OcHungry

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: darkhorror
I wouldn't think that CPU heat is the problem, as running it at 6x443 gave me the same problem as 7x443. Now I am thinking heat in some other part of the motherboard may be a problem.

You answered your own question.

Your CPU is obviously not the issue.

So it's either mobo or RAM.

Your mobo is known to get over 450+ on average, so what does that leave you with?

RAM.

Memtest is not run in Windows, which is why i consider it useless for stability testing.

Everything you've stated basically points to your RAM crapping out.

Time for some Team Group PC2-8000

wrong. Those rams are known to do great in or out of win @ and over DDR2 800.
Time for you to stop your repeated ill advise and do some search (for a chanege) before speak.

So says the guy who thinks an x2 performs better than a Conroe :disgust:

 

[OcHungry]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: OcHungry

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: darkhorror
I wouldn't think that CPU heat is the problem, as running it at 6x443 gave me the same problem as 7x443. Now I am thinking heat in some other part of the motherboard may be a problem.

You answered your own question.

Your CPU is obviously not the issue.

So it's either mobo or RAM.

Your mobo is known to get over 450+ on average, so what does that leave you with?

RAM.

Memtest is not run in Windows, which is why i consider it useless for stability testing.

Everything you've stated basically points to your RAM crapping out.

Time for some Team Group PC2-8000

wrong. Those rams are known to do great in or out of win @ and over DDR2 800.
Time for you to stop your repeated ill advise and do some search (for a chanege) before speak.

So says the guy who thinks an x2 performs better than a Conroe :disgust:

Another idiot who's stuck in his dark cave accusing me of above and boisterous about Conroe?s performance. I repeat : Conroe is not 40% better as you say, nor it is 30% better, nor 20%, nor 10% better, but equal CPU performance clock for clock compared to A64 x2 in 64bit. Quit your nonsense.
BTW, I read somewhere that core 2 responds slow because of the FSB Bottleneck and is slow in I/O functions. Another word- no matter how fast the SPI (your hang-up) is, the key stroke to perform a function or an application is slow and you get smacked in games when playing opponents who has an AMD machine. Go prove me wrong.

 

[darkhorror]

"Another idiot who's stuck in his dark cave accusing me of above and boisterous about Conroe?s performance. I repeat : Conroe is not 40% better as you say, nor it is 30% better, nor 20%, nor 10% better, but equal CPU performance clock for clock compared to A64 x2 in 64bit. Quit your nonsense.
BTW, I read somewhere that core 2 responds slow because of the FSB Bottleneck and is slow in I/O functions. Another word- no matter how fast the SPI (your hang-up) is, the key stroke to perform a function or an application is slow and you get smacked in games when playing opponents who has an AMD machine. Go prove me wrong."

Thats far too easy

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/14/...knocks_out_athlon_64/page12.html#games
In every single test on this page the E6600 which is at 2.4ghz is faster than the fx62 at 2.8ghz.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/14/...2_duo_knocks_out_athlon_64/page13.html
all but 2 tests the E6600 is faster than the fx62.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/14/...2_duo_knocks_out_athlon_64/page14.html
all tests the E6600 is equal to or faster than fx62

it continues on that way, I wouldn't call anyone an idiot when you look at results like that.

Now do you have any information on what I should try? I think I may try out some more case type cooling see if there is someway I can get it to run faster.

 

[OcHungry]

Originally posted by: darkhorror
"Another idiot who's stuck in his dark cave accusing me of above and boisterous about Conroe?s performance. I repeat : Conroe is not 40% better as you say, nor it is 30% better, nor 20%, nor 10% better, but equal CPU performance clock for clock compared to A64 x2 in 64bit. Quit your nonsense.
BTW, I read somewhere that core 2 responds slow because of the FSB Bottleneck and is slow in I/O functions. Another word- no matter how fast the SPI (your hang-up) is, the key stroke to perform a function or an application is slow and you get smacked in games when playing opponents who has an AMD machine. Go prove me wrong."

Thats far too easy

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/14/...knocks_out_athlon_64/page12.html#games
In every single test on this page the E6600 which is at 2.4ghz is faster than the fx62 at 2.8ghz.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/14/...2_duo_knocks_out_athlon_64/page13.html
all but 2 tests the E6600 is faster than the fx62.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/14/...2_duo_knocks_out_athlon_64/page14.html
all tests the E6600 is equal to or faster than fx62

it continues on that way, I wouldn't call anyone an idiot when you look at results like that.

Now do you have any information on what I should try? I think I may try out some more case type cooling see if there is someway I can get it to run faster.

Tom?s hardware has been Intel's frontface since its inception. I would not give that site 1cent of credit. All the benchmarks are in 32bit and none of AMD's advantages were looked into.
Check winrar, #Dmark06(latest) and you see what I mean. The only meaningful advantage of Conroe is in vid encoding which has marginal advantage and not an average task. Not too many people do vid encoding 24/7, and on the average the time saved if dismal. Plus, the kind speed and performance people get from an AMD is more than enough for anyone. Price/performance (total package-mobo,cpu,ram,gpu,etc) is what everyone cares the most and AMD wins in this category
In any case, you have good rams and it should do DDR2 800 easy. May have to increase the vdimm a little thu.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: OcHungry

Originally posted by: darkhorror
"Another idiot who's stuck in his dark cave accusing me of above and boisterous about Conroe?s performance. I repeat : Conroe is not 40% better as you say, nor it is 30% better, nor 20%, nor 10% better, but equal CPU performance clock for clock compared to A64 x2 in 64bit. Quit your nonsense.
BTW, I read somewhere that core 2 responds slow because of the FSB Bottleneck and is slow in I/O functions. Another word- no matter how fast the SPI (your hang-up) is, the key stroke to perform a function or an application is slow and you get smacked in games when playing opponents who has an AMD machine. Go prove me wrong."

Thats far too easy

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/14/...knocks_out_athlon_64/page12.html#games
In every single test on this page the E6600 which is at 2.4ghz is faster than the fx62 at 2.8ghz.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/14/...2_duo_knocks_out_athlon_64/page13.html
all but 2 tests the E6600 is faster than the fx62.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/14/...2_duo_knocks_out_athlon_64/page14.html
all tests the E6600 is equal to or faster than fx62

it continues on that way, I wouldn't call anyone an idiot when you look at results like that.

Now do you have any information on what I should try? I think I may try out some more case type cooling see if there is someway I can get it to run faster.

Tom?s hardware has been Intel's frontface since its inception. I would not give that site 1cent of credit. All the benchmarks are in 32bit and none of AMD's advantages were looked into.
Check winrar, #Dmark06(latest) and you see what I mean. The only meaningful advantage of Conroe is in vid encoding which has marginal advantage and not an average task. Not too many people do vid encoding 24/7, and on the average the time saved if dismal. Plus, the kind speed and performance people get from an AMD is more than enough for anyone. Price/performance (total package-mobo,cpu,ram,gpu,etc) is what everyone cares the most and AMD wins in this category
In any case, you have good rams and it should do DDR2 800 easy. May have to increase the vdimm a little thu.

I don't know what has this guy so paranoid about intel. Maybe he will enlighten us?

About tom's being Intel biased? Well nobody had a problem with thier benchmarks a few months ago when ALL the top performing benchies had AMD. Funny isnt it? All of a sudden, they are getting paid to scew all the benches. Yep, ALL reveiw sites get paid by intel.

OP, I don't think temps are your problem. Since I have stress tested my CPU upwards of 70C, during my 3.4GHz test. Check your RAM timings and voltages. Maybe look into better RAM?

 

[theteamaqua]

a lot of people reach 450+fsb used 1.45+vcore some 1.55vcore ...

 

[darkhorror]

here is another link with many tests both 32 and 64 bit. The results are basicly the same.

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/hard...6/test_intel_core_2_duo_e6700_e6600/8/

Edit: I will be trying out a couple things today.

 

[darkhorror]

I am going to try lowering things see if I can get the same reponse as I get when I raise the speed to 443. lower things like memory timings, volts,...

 

[darkhorror]

I am now still at 430x7, but this time running memory, mch, fsb all at normal, VCore at 1.3125

so far orthos for 25 minutes without errors. going to leave it on for a while.

I have a feeling my problem is somewhere else, maybe in the memory timings that arn't the ones we normally look at, or some other setting that I haven't delt with yet.

 

[River Side]

If u have the Patriot DDR2-667 CAS4 then that's the one I have .. the memory will require changes in timing and raising the voltage beyond 400MHz..

I've mine doing 450 by Vdimm +0.1 and 5-4-4-12 timings. Try these..

AND if one FSB doesn't work.. try something higher.. sometimes just the number could be a problem for some component..

 

[darkhorror]

I was at 5-5-5-15 at +.1vdimm, even tried +.2vdimm at those timings, and tried 6-6-6. I will try those memory timings, and vdimm.

Yeah I thought about that FSB just not being good but also tried 443, 450, and 460.

 

[Gary Key]

Originally posted by: darkhorror
I was at 5-5-5-15 at +.1vdimm, even tried +.2vdimm at those timings, and tried 6-6-6. I will try those memory timings, and vdimm.

Yeah I thought about that FSB just not being good but also tried 443, 450, and 460.

Did you set the memory timings to Auto? If not, try that as it should get you a few extra MHz, otherwise the DS3 seems to be capping out around 465FSB~485FSB with the Micron D9 based ICs at this time (not all but most).

 

[Gary Key]

Originally posted by: OcHungry

Another idiot who's stuck in his dark cave accusing me of above and boisterous about Conroe?s performance. I repeat : Conroe is not 40% better as you say, nor it is 30% better, nor 20%, nor 10% better, but equal CPU performance clock for clock compared to A64 x2 in 64bit. Quit your nonsense.
BTW, I read somewhere that core 2 responds slow because of the FSB Bottleneck and is slow in I/O functions. Another word- no matter how fast the SPI (your hang-up) is, the key stroke to perform a function or an application is slow and you get smacked in games when playing opponents who has an AMD machine. Go prove me wrong.

[/quote]

OC, the last time you wanted someone to prove you wrong, they did.

 

[EvilWobbles]

Isn't it widely accepted that the Conroe is currently the fastest processor on the market? All the magazines I've been reading have said that, and they weren't plugging Intel the last year or two either when AMD reigned. (PC Magazine, Computer Shopper, etc.)

 

[ReMb]

Wow, I just posted that, but for some reason I was logged onto EvilWobbles' account. wtf?