E6300 idling at 60 - HELP!

[blackd]

Hi,

I just setup my E6300 system (All factory settings, no overclock), and its running waay too hot, and I cant seem to cool it down! When I startup and look at the temps in BIOS (or Intel Desktop Utilties), I have 41 C for my CPU temp. It takes around 5 minutes to slowly go upto to 60 C where it remains. Here's a pic of those readings.

Intel Desktop Utilities tells me my temps are:
Processor - 60 C
Motherboard Temp - 55 C
Motherboard Temp - 54 C
I/O Hub Temp - 83 C
Memory Controller Temp - 60 C

Speedfan readings are even higher, Core0 is 69 C and Core1 is 67 C!
<Coretemp crashes my system, so I cant use it>

Here's what I've tried:

Case cooling - Added 3 fans to my case, 2 exhaust (120+80mm)(top), 1 intake(120mm)(bottom).

HSF - I read that the stock HSF was tough to seat, I took everything apart and re-installed it atleast 3 different times - those pins wont go any lower into the board, I'm sure!

Any ideas what I'm doing wrong here? I'm really worried.

Thanks,
Chris D

 

[gamephile]

What are your ambient temps? Those are some high temperatures across the board not just for your CPU. Also verify these temps with your BIOS.

 

[PCTC2]

Did you make sure to take any plastic off the bottom of the heatsink and make sure the stock thermal compound (those 3 strips) was ok?

 

[imported_Husky55]

@Chris D

You did not say anything about thermal paste in reseating your HSF 3 times.

Something is very wrong because if you had done the install properly the temps would be much lower.

 

[bklyn1028]

Funny, I have the E6600, and with the Ultra 120, @ load (orthos for about an hour), I was in the mid 60s, idle I was in the mid 50s. I"m at 3.14 with 1.375v. Same problem as him. I went back to zalman 9500 (the ultra 120 was hitting the northbridge chipset hs), and still have the same temps. Took off the side panel, and the temps didn't change.
So agravating. Using intel TAT for temp reading

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: gamephile
What are your ambient temps? Those are some high temperatures across the board not just for your CPU.

I agree. With an 800 Mhz overclock on my 90nm Opteron, all of my idle temps are at least 20°C cooler than those, and that's with a 76°F ambient.

 

[PCTC2]

maybe a concave IHS? lapping might help if you don't mind voiding the warranty.

 

[joex444]

I've never run that program before, and my LGA775 board is being RMA'd, so I can't run it at the moment, but is anyone else alarmed by the chipset temps?

60C on the Nortbridge and 83C on the South?! Southbridges usually are passive, because they don't get hot. Something seems really wrong with the readings. 55C on the motherboard? Usually that is a general case temperature, so with all the fans you have added it is lying unless you've literally cooked whilst typing the post.

What are the load temperatures? If the load temp is also the idle temperature then you have a problem with the chipset, BIOS, or some weird setting. If the load is over 70C then you have a problem. The Intel stock cooler hitting 60C on load doesn't alarm me, if you measure the 60C in TAT or SpeedFan. 60C in the BIOS would be a bad thing indeed (it'd be about 75C in TAT). Still, it should idle somewhere in the 40-45C range on the stock cooler.

 

[blackd]

Thanks all for your suggestions.

Did you make sure to take any plastic off the bottom of the heatsink and make sure the stock thermal compound (those 3 strips) was ok?

Whazzat?????? I'm a noobie here, and I followed the instructions from the video on the Intel website.. There's no mention of applying any paste or taking off any plastic off the bottom of the heatsink - Are you sure I have take the plastic off the bottom? Is there plastic on the bottom of the stock HSF on the retail boxed E6300?

Also verify these temps with your BIOS.

BIOS tells me the same story

What are your ambient temps?

Would this be my room temp or the temp inside my case? It's cool in my room. Case, could you tell me how I could measure it?

You did not say anything about thermal paste in reseating your HSF 3 times.

I got the retail boxed E6300 and there was no thermal paste in that box. Do they come with thermal paste?

What are the load temperatures?

With temps like these, I'm a little wary of running orthos..I did run Intels Stresstest by passmark software (part of Intel Desktop Utils) and at load it goes up to 64 C.

The Intel stock cooler hitting 60C on load doesn't alarm me, if you measure the 60C in TAT or SpeedFan.

SpeedFan reports even higher temps! 69 C on Core 1 and 72 C on Core 2! I'm almost scared to open the damn thing!

 

[PCTC2]

Originally posted by: blackd

You did not say anything about thermal paste in reseating your HSF 3 times.

I got the retail boxed E6300 and there was no thermal paste in that box. Do they come with thermal paste?

There's your problem. Get some MX-1 or Arctic Silver 5 and reseat your HSF with the thermal paste. The stock HSF has thermal paste (3 strips) preapplied but with 3 reseatings it might need to be redone.

 

[blackd]

The stock HSF has thermal paste (3 strips) preapplied but with 3 reseatings it might need to be redone.

OK PCTC2, but what about this plastic bit? I dont know if I removed the plastic which came with the HSF or not. Maybe it just fused with the 3 strips thermal paste?
I just did a 4th reseating, and noticed that the grayish material has spread out in a circle over the surface of the cooler and on the CPU itself. I even scratched a little bit and noticed that there's no plastic residue on the surface of either. I'll get a hold of some thermal paste and try to do this again.

Where I stay (U.A.E.), it's a little tough to get a hold of these things. Lemme look around shops here for some paste.

Thanks.
Chris.

 

[imported_Husky55]

Originally posted by: blackd

The stock HSF has thermal paste (3 strips) preapplied but with 3 reseatings it might need to be redone.

OK PCTC2, but what about this plastic bit? I dont know if I removed the plastic which came with the HSF or not. Maybe it just fused with the 3 strips thermal paste?
I just did a 4th reseating, and noticed that the grayish material has spread out in a circle over the surface of the cooler and on the CPU itself. I even scratched a little bit and noticed that there's no plastic residue on the surface of either. I'll get a hold of some thermal paste and try to do this again.

Where I stay (U.A.E.), it's a little tough to get a hold of these things. Lemme look around shops here for some paste.

Thanks.
Chris.

Chris, excuse my ignorance, but where is U.A.E ?

FYI, my E6300, OC Vcore 1.5 V, iddle 33-35, load under orthos 45-48.

 

[blackd]

Chris, excuse my ignorance, but where is U.A.E ?

In the Middle East. Next to Saudi Arabia

FYI, my E6300, OC Vcore 1.5 V, iddle 33-35, load under orthos 45-48.

Now you know why I'm worried about my E6300! Are you using the stock HSF?

 

[Woofmeister]

United Arab Emirates. Safe to assume your ambients are very high unless you have an air conditioning vent blasting into the case.

You can obtain thermal paste from practically any computer parts store here in the U.S. Don't know where you are in the UAE but the last time I was in Dubai, it seemed you had everything we have here in the states (and more).

Obtain some type of thermal paste (Arctic Silver 5 is generally thought to be the best). Clean the top of your CPU and the bottom of your heat sink with isopropyl alcohol (highest percentage possible). Inspect both processor top and heat sink bottom for obvious flaws. Apply a very small amount of thermal paste down the center of the processor in a straight line. Re-seat your heat sink and you're good.

Let us know how it works out.

 

[imported_Husky55]

Originally posted by: blackd

Chris, excuse my ignorance, but where is U.A.E ?

In the Middle East. Next to Saudi Arabia

FYI, my E6300, OC Vcore 1.5 V, iddle 33-35, load under orthos 45-48.

Now you know why I'm worried about my E6300! Are you using the stock HSF?

I use the Freezer Pro 7 HSF. Highly recommended.

My system is highly OCed so I need the extra heatpipes cooling. But you did not OC so it's probably your thermal paste and processing seating.

 

[blackd]

It's cold in my room, that's definitely not a problem

Don't know where you are in the UAE but the last time I was in Dubai, it seemed you had everything we have here in the states (and more).

Dubai's a good place to be. I stay closeby. How did you find it?

I just ordered some Arctic Silver 5. Should be coming thru tomorrow.

Clean the top of your CPU and the bottom of your heat sink with isopropyl alcohol (highest percentage possible).

Could you give me an example of something which has isopropyl-alcohol. like say, a nail polish remover? There's a lot of that thermal pad on my CPU and HS, and it doesnt look like it's going to get off easily. What should I use?

 

[Fraggable]

With as hot as it's supposed to be running that paste should wipe right off there with a tissue. Even at room temperature I am always able to wipe it off my CPU/heatsink with no problem at all. My point is that if it's that solid and hard then you may in fact have had some plastic or other substance melted in with it at some point. I would have to imagine it would be fairly obvious if that was the case but who knows.

Run your system for a few minutes, maybe run Prime95 for a few minutes and then shut it off and take the heatsink off right away. Wipe it off and apply your new stuff.

 

[PCTC2]

don't use nail polish remover or anything similar. use 90-99% pure isopropyl alcohol (should be available in drug stores for cuts and burns.). the other stuff has impurities you don't want on your CPU. the stuff spread in a small circle is the stock thermal paste.
get some alcohol and just wipe it clean, apply a small line across the top from top to bottom, and then reseat the HSF.

 

[Woofmeister]

Originally posted by: blackd

Dubai's a good place to be. I stay closeby. How did you find it?

Hot and expensive. I was there on Uncle Sam's dime and my hotel room allowance didn't go very far. I liked how unabashedly over the top everything was in Dubai--everything is "the biggest," or the "most luxurious" in the World and they definitely know how to party. On the other hand, there's something unsettling about a place where the non-citizens do all the work (including professional work) and the favored few just sit around drinking coffee and tea.

Could you give me an example of something which has isopropyl-alcohol. like say, a nail polish remover? There's a lot of that thermal pad on my CPU and HS, and it doesnt look like it's going to get off easily. What should I use?

Rubbing alcohol is usually made with isopropyl alcohol. Get the highest purity you can find. Try peeling off the thermal pad with a plastic knife first (be careful not to scratch the CPU or HS or you will be sanding with extra fine grit) and use the alcohol to remove any residue.

 

[blackd]

My point is that if it's that solid and hard then you may in fact have had some plastic or other substance melted in with it at some point.

Spot on. It is hard and doesnt come off easily. Infact, and this is something I realized just now - the shape of the gray paste is an EXACT circle - I always wondered how that was - Now I know why

Hot and expensive. I was there on Uncle Sam's dime and my hotel room allowance didn't go very far.

Hot - Not all round the year - the winters are cool here. Not too hot, and not too cold.
Expensive - that's for sure! It wasnt like this though, a couple of years back. Things have changed with time.

there's something unsettling about a place where the non-citizens do all the work (including professional work) and the favored few just sit around drinking coffee and tea.

Yup, it's true. But then, when they have that much money in their pockets, I can see why they chose for it to be that way.

My AS 5 should be coming today. I got some 70% isopropyl alcohol to clean the gunk off. Will give it a shot and post results.

 

[PCTC2]

yeah, some HSFs come with a little plastic protection for the thermal paste on the bottom. if it's really hard, use a hair dryer to soften it slightly before using the alcohol wipes to clean it off.

 

[HomeyFoos]

My e4300 is having similar problems. AC7, 4 Antec tri-cool fans, runs the same temps oc'd as it does stock. 51 on one core and 47 on the other. I have 2 other C2D machines and they never run a 4 degree temp differential between cores. 2 and MAYBE 3 degrees is all I usually get.

I had a very thin layer of ceramique and I thought perhaps I wasn't covering one of the cores properly. So with a credit card, I reapplied the ceramique in a bit thicker layer (I have my e6600 done the same way and with the Antec 900 my idle temps are 31/32 - 34/35 but never higher), took down the OC from 3.0 back to stock 1.8 and my temps didn't change a bit. They still sit at 51/47. It updates. It will fluctuate slightly. But every now and then, some process will run and the temps idle will shoot up to the 60s. I ran Orthos for about half an hour and I shut it off when my load temps in TAT reached 72 (somewhere around test 3).

I am pretty unsure what the problem is. I am running the new 680i LT T1 board, e4300 with AC7 using ceramique, 2 gigs of GSkill value-ram (they do come with heat-spreaders 5-5-5-15 2T running at 667 linked and synched so my FSB is 1334 for a 1:1 oc'd to 3.0ghz) with the corsair dominator ram fan, a 7600 GT (have a 2nd for SLi that I haven't bothered to hook up yet) and an Antec PCI slot 3-speed fan under the video card. I should be able to support arctic wildlife in that case. Yet my temps are pegged at 51/47. I'm almost resigned to the fact that I have a bad chip, a bad bios, a bad board, or something of the like because none of this seems to compute.

 

[imported_Husky55]

Originally posted by: HomeyFoos
My e4300 is having similar problems. AC7, 4 Antec tri-cool fans, runs the same temps oc'd as it does stock. 51 on one core and 47 on the other. I have 2 other C2D machines and they never run a 4 degree temp differential between cores. 2 and MAYBE 3 degrees is all I usually get.

I had a very thin layer of ceramique and I thought perhaps I wasn't covering one of the cores properly. So with a credit card, I reapplied the ceramique in a bit thicker layer (I have my e6600 done the same way and with the Antec 900 my idle temps are 31/32 - 34/35 but never higher), took down the OC from 3.0 back to stock 1.8 and my temps didn't change a bit. They still sit at 51/47. It updates. It will fluctuate slightly. But every now and then, some process will run and the temps idle will shoot up to the 60s. I ran Orthos for about half an hour and I shut it off when my load temps in TAT reached 72 (somewhere around test 3).

I am pretty unsure what the problem is. I am running the new 680i LT T1 board, e4300 with AC7 using ceramique, 2 gigs of GSkill value-ram (they do come with heat-spreaders 5-5-5-15 2T running at 667 linked and synched so my FSB is 1334 for a 1:1 oc'd to 3.0ghz) with the corsair dominator ram fan, a 7600 GT (have a 2nd for SLi that I haven't bothered to hook up yet) and an Antec PCI slot 3-speed fan under the video card. I should be able to support arctic wildlife in that case. Yet my temps are pegged at 51/47. I'm almost resigned to the fact that I have a bad chip, a bad bios, a bad board, or something of the like because none of this seems to compute.

The best guess is , assuming you DO NOT have any defective component or sensor, your HSF AC7 not making a positive contact with the CPU.

The 4 pins of the AC7 must clicked and locked into the MB holes. I had a few cases where I thought the AC7 or the stock cooler did seat properly only to find out that the pins did not lock and caused the hi temps.

When I pushed hard and did lock the pins, the temps dropped by 10-20 degrees.

 

[HomeyFoos]

Ya, I can pick the mobo up by the HSF. At first, I put the cooler on when the mobo was loose. Then when I was troubleshooting it, I reapplied the ceramique so I had to put the AC7 on with the mobo mounted to the case. It is possible it is not making good contact, but I would be shocked with what it took me to get that cooler stable. I had to reseat it 4 or 5 times because the plastic tabs kept getting bent underneath it. Seriously, who came up with that locking solution? Anyway, I guess I can give reseating it another shot, but as I said, I would be shocked if it was not making contact. I really stressed it to get them all down.