E6750 & Gigabyte P35C-DS3R Overclocking Thread

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bmf79

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That's what I've been trying to tell you guys, the pics were AFTER the changes. When the changes are made, the red box pops up that says "Save changes and set to CMOS Y/N." I say yes and the PC restarts, it powers up for a few seconds and shuts down, powers up for a few seconds and shuts down, then powers up all the way. Is it supposed to be doing this? Maybe that is part of the problem. Everytime I make changes this happens. Give me a few and I'll take before and after photos. First I will restore all defaults, snap a few pics and post them. Then I will make the changes and let you be the judge.
 

bmf79

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Here are the settings being changed.

http://i269.photobucket.com/al...1/bmf79/Picture003.jpg

http://i269.photobucket.com/al...1/bmf79/Picture005.jpg

http://i269.photobucket.com/al...1/bmf79/Picture006.jpg

This is what it shows after saying yes to the 3rd picture above and the PC restarting. Which includes the 2 partial starts I mentioned in an earlier post.

Here are the photos after I get back into the bios (after changes).

http://i269.photobucket.com/al...1/bmf79/Picture007.jpg

http://i269.photobucket.com/al...1/bmf79/Picture009.jpg

Any ideas?

 

mrfatboy

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bmf79,

I'm not sure if I'm needing glasses or not. Or maybe I have had too much vino tonight but your pictures (bios) is STILL not set to what I told you to do.

Do us all a favor, set the bios like I stated above. take pictures. Prove to us that you changed your bios. I can't do anything more for you unitl I can believe you have set the bios correctly.

I still want to help. I gotta go to bed. cya manana.

 

bmf79

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You guys are cracking me up. The last set of pictures ARE with it changed. I wonder if there's an issue with the F8 BIOS that could be causing the problem? I have done everything that you told me and have taken pictures, short of that I don't know what to do.
 

honolululu

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I'm not sure what mrfatboy is talking about bmf79 as the last set of pictures look fine to me. Must be that delicious wine!
But with those settings your computer can't boot so the Motherboard is reverting back to the stock settings. That's the computer restarting two times you talk about.

I would try everything the same in your settings except set the DRAM Timing Selectable to [AUTO], like fausto412 was saying. See if it boots then.
 

bmf79

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bmf79

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For anyone interested my previous 3DMark06 score on stock settings was 11,400 and the new one without having the RAM set up is 12,520.
 
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@bmf - that's a very nice overclock on the E6750, especially at 1.3500v on the vcore. Important for you to know that CPU's and ram modules all have variances and that as you begin to reach the outer limits of a particular overclock, cutting and pasting someone else's bios values is going to, more often than not, be problematic. Mrfatboy's suggestions revolved around a 3.2GHz overclock - FSB at 400, multiplier at x8) which experience has taught him is a cinch on the E6750, almost always on stock vcore settings. Jumping to 3.4GHz by moving the FSB to 435, while leaving the vcore alone is probably not typical...

What I don't think you've been asked to verify is the voltage applied by your motherboard/bios to your Dram after you've applied the +0.2v. You can find that value in your bios, under the PC Health section. That value, unfortunately, is not "fixed" in any way on this board/bios - I suspect it has to do with the bios attempting to read the ram's SPD/JEDEC and applying certain default voltages based on what the bios finds loaded. Meaning, while conventional wisdom, and Gigabyte's own manual, states that default voltage to VDimm is 1.8v (and thus +0.2v added would yield a value of 2.0v) that has not proven to be the case.

My limited experience tells me that your Corsair mem is going to want to see voltage at 2.1v before allowing 4-4-4-12 timings. At the same time, your Ram (via the motherboard) is going to "reject" voltages much over 2.1v, which leads to the board resetting O/C values at post. This is why you'll see in this thread (and others here at Anandtech) long discussions about this bios version or that, because different versions seem to interact differently with each individual's hardware, with a direct effect on VDimm voltage (and subsequent overclock of their particular Ram.) Peruse the signatures of various members that regularly post to this thread and you'll notice many different bios versions - arrived at by trial and error - and used for different reasons. For example, I use F2, mrfatboy uses F4, honolululu uses F5...perhaps you get the point. These folks aren't using these versions because because they haven't gotten around to updating them. Instead, they've reverted back to these versions for specific reasons relative to their specific hardware and personal goals and requirements.

Regards,
 

MaDMvD

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Make sure you set that RAM "Performance Enhance" option to "Extreme". Don't settle for anything less - it makes a HUGE difference.

Also, what Conjugal said.
 

bmf79

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@ CV
Thanks for the awesome response. In doing further research, I have found that the RAM I purchased was the wrong one. I purchased all components at Microcenter, one of their "Build your own" guys grabbed everything I asked for and in his rush it seems he gave me a different model of memory than I had asked for. It's an honest mistake the numbers are extremely close; however, the timings in which they will achieve are quite different. This is why I haven't been able to achieve the timings that have been suggested, I would guess.

This is what I have:

http://www.corsair.com/_datasheets/TWIN2X2048-6400.pdf

This is what I wanted:

http://www.corsair.com/_datash.../TWIN2X2048-6400C4.pdf

At any rate, I have to exchange my memory to achieve the desired timings. It looks like I'm headed back to Microcenter to get the right memory.
 

mrfatboy

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Originally posted by: bmf79
Here are the settings being changed.

http://i269.photobucket.com/al...1/bmf79/Picture003.jpg

http://i269.photobucket.com/al...1/bmf79/Picture005.jpg

http://i269.photobucket.com/al...1/bmf79/Picture006.jpg

This is what it shows after saying yes to the 3rd picture above and the PC restarting. Which includes the 2 partial starts I mentioned in an earlier post.

Here are the photos after I get back into the bios (after changes).

http://i269.photobucket.com/al...1/bmf79/Picture007.jpg

http://i269.photobucket.com/al...1/bmf79/Picture009.jpg

Any ideas?



@bmf79
I glad you got everything working But just to make sure I'm not crazy. These last two pictures didn't show the changes that I asked you to make. That is what I was talking about.

Specifically this one

http://i269.photobucket.com/al...1/bmf79/Picture007.jpg

 

bmf79

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Now that I know what it is, it seems that after I made the setting changes you suggested, the PC fails to boot and reverts back to the factory settings. I'm curious to see what I'll end up with after having the right memory.

What kind of a limit should I give myself on the stock cooler?

I would like to change it to a Zalman 9700, but I'm not sure I want to try to install a CPU cooler.
 
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Originally posted by: mrfatboy
Originally posted by: bmf79
Here are the settings being changed.

http://i269.photobucket.com/al...1/bmf79/Picture003.jpg

http://i269.photobucket.com/al...1/bmf79/Picture005.jpg

http://i269.photobucket.com/al...1/bmf79/Picture006.jpg

This is what it shows after saying yes to the 3rd picture above and the PC restarting. Which includes the 2 partial starts I mentioned in an earlier post.

Here are the photos after I get back into the bios (after changes).

http://i269.photobucket.com/al...1/bmf79/Picture007.jpg

http://i269.photobucket.com/al...1/bmf79/Picture009.jpg

Any ideas?



@bmf79
I glad you got everything working But just to make sure I'm not crazy. These last two pictures didn't show the changes that I asked you to make. That is what I was talking about.

Specifically this one

http://i269.photobucket.com/al...1/bmf79/Picture007.jpg

I took that picture to mean...following his changes, bios resets to that picture, meaning some value is causing a problem. Or not. bmf79?
 

bmf79

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Originally posted by: Conjugal Visit
Originally posted by: mrfatboy
Originally posted by: bmf79
Here are the settings being changed.

http://i269.photobucket.com/al...1/bmf79/Picture003.jpg

http://i269.photobucket.com/al...1/bmf79/Picture005.jpg

http://i269.photobucket.com/al...1/bmf79/Picture006.jpg

This is what it shows after saying yes to the 3rd picture above and the PC restarting. Which includes the 2 partial starts I mentioned in an earlier post.

Here are the photos after I get back into the bios (after changes).

http://i269.photobucket.com/al...1/bmf79/Picture007.jpg


http://i269.photobucket.com/al...1/bmf79/Picture009.jpg

Any ideas?



@bmf79
I glad you got everything working But just to make sure I'm not crazy. These last two pictures didn't show the changes that I asked you to make. That is what I was talking about.

Specifically this one

http://i269.photobucket.com/al...1/bmf79/Picture007.jpg

I took that picture to mean...following his changes, bios resets to that picture, meaning some value is causing a problem. Or not. bmf79?


You are correct.
 

mrfatboy

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ok, I obviously took it the other way. I wanted to see what he changed in his bios before he rebooted. I knew his settings were not holding. I needed to know why. When he said his ram was 800 667 with his memory multiplier to set to 2. I knew something was fishy.

I and that was after I told him to copy my settings


Now we are on the same page Albeit a little late
 

MaDMvD

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@mrfatboy:

This may have been covered in the sea of previous pages, but I'll ask anyway. That voltage in your sig, is that actual voltage or BIOS "set" voltage?
 

bmf79

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NP I appreciate all of the help and the feedback none the less. You guys have been pretty patient with helping, especially since I know very little about OC. FYI, I am resetting back to default settings tonight and I will be installing the correct RAM and the new PSU (Silencer 750 Quad) and then trying your setting again. I'll keep you posted.
 

mrfatboy

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Originally posted by: MaDMvD
@mrfatboy:

This may have been covered in the sea of previous pages, but I'll ask anyway. That voltage in your sig, is that actual voltage or BIOS "set" voltage?



The cpu voltage (1.45v) is the actual voltage set in my bios. The vdimm memory voltage +.3 is the actual setting in bios. When +.3 is used in bios it actually reads 2.24v using speedfan, etc. My memory wants 2.2v. My bios is F4g.
 

MaDMvD

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On page 38, I listed my minimum stable voltages for 3.2GHz - 3.6GHz in 200MHz steps. They are as follows:

3.2GHz - 1.3375v in BIOS
3.4GHz - 1.41875v in BIOS
3.6GHz - 1.5v in BIOS

It's really interesting to compare voltage consumption amongst other E6750's. If you notice above, the difference in voltage needed between 3.2 and 3.4 is roughly .08v and the difference in voltage needed between 3.4 and 3.6 is about the same. It seems that at lower clocks speeds, I am at par with those of you guys that have non-voltage hungry CPUs. However, as the speeds ramp up, my processor needs considerably more voltage. If I were to compare my 3.6GHz voltage requirements with that of mrfatboy's, the difference would be about 5 hundredths of a volt, or .05. Sounds small, but it very quickly adds up!
 

bmf79

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Hmm, I have looked through many of those posts, I am very curious to see if my E6750 is of the power hungry variety or the lucky variety.
 

MaDMvD

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From experience and from what I've seen/read, you'll only be able to tell once you cross that 3.2GHz barrier. That's when it will either really shine or just glow, if you get my analogy...
 
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