EA: banning you from games you purchased for negative forum posts

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Rebel_L

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The sad thing is that in the end it really dosnt matter too much if its legal or not, they have the ability to do it and your ability to stop it is next to non existent, unless you consider spending the money for a team of top notch lawyers for and extended court battle much of an option. There is never a shortage of companies that do things they should not, simply because they can get away with it.
 

RPD

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Look at that, another reason I'll never by any game associated with EA, ever.
 

zerocool84

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There are bans, and then there are bans. One user of BioWare's forums found himself facing one of the latter after having his account suspended for allegedly using inappropriate language in a post -- but instead of just keeping him from socializing temporarily, it prevented his PC copy of Dragon Age 2, purchased online, from running entirely.

EA has acknowledged that this actually happened to the affected user, but calls it an error. While it says it intended to temporarily ban the individual for violating the forum code of conduct, "there was an error in the system that accidentally suspended a user's entire account."

"Immediately upon learning of the glitch, EA took steps to restore the user's macro account and apologized for the inconvenience," the publisher told Joystiq. What it didn't say is what -- if any -- steps are being taken to prevent similar mega-bans from happening in the future.

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/03/11/player-banned-from-dragon-age-2-forum-accidentally-loses-acces/
 

Nik

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We'll have to see. I'm fairly certain it'll be laughed out of court, but I doubt EA would let a case go that far. Even if EA had a guy at best buy making people sign the EULA it's unlikely they'd be able to uphold the denying of people to use the product they bought because of activity on their forums. It's kind of sad to see people arguing that well they put it in a contract so it must hold up... that's just not how this stuff works. Companies of all walks and types put tons of stipulations on their sales that they know will never hold up in court even if they made a blood pact with their customers, but they put it in anyway hoping idiots will never challenge it.

Why would they get laughed out of court when you agreed to be bound by the not-unreasonable terms and conditions of the EULA?
 

taltamir

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Why would they get laughed out of court when you agreed to be bound by the not-unreasonable terms and conditions of the EULA?

Because a hidden "you automatically agree to any changes we make to this contract" clause is not a valid tactic.
Note also that EULAs tend to say "void where prohibited" and then describe a bunch of stuff prohibited everywhere.

that being said, crappy judges have upheld EULAs before
 

OCGuy

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They can get away with it because they will ban you from online play. The same way they can get away with not allowing you to play without internet access.

Sad, really.
 

Dumac

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It's actually a good idea. Cut down the trolling in online gaming commmunities.

I wish this was Bioware forums, I was a moderator, and you owned games and posted this post there so I could ban you and make you regret your actions.
 

Nik

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Because a hidden "you automatically agree to any changes we make to this contract" clause is not a valid tactic.
Note also that EULAs tend to say "void where prohibited" and then describe a bunch of stuff prohibited everywhere.

that being said, crappy judges have upheld EULAs before

uh... the whole "we can change this when we want to and don't have to tell you but you can request a copy at any time" thing happens all the time, bud. Read any EULA you've ever signed. I'm willing to bet you've never read ANY of them that you've signed.

The void-where-prohibited clause is to void the contract in places where laws already on the books would prevent one or more elements of the agreement from being legally binding. That has absolutely nothing to do with the situation at hand. Are you actually thinking about what you're typing before you click the Submit button?

Two willing parties agree to an agreement that doesn't violate any municipal, state, or federal law? Why would a judge get involved, other than if one of them doesn't uphold their side of the agreement?

Fuck, even a verbal agreement stands in civil court.
 
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Skott

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You know how in real life if you were standing next to the guy and you made a not so nice comment about him and he turns to you and punches you in the face? Well, that is what happened to this guy. EA turned to him online and punched him in the face. Not saying I support EA (because I think it way over reacted) but that is what happens when you break their EULA and insult them in a forum. Just because something is online or in public does not give you complete immunity under the constitution.
 
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Nik

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only, in this case, it's like he got accidentally punched in the face and then the guy who punched him in the face fixed him all up anyway.
 

taltamir

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uh... the whole "we can change this when we want to and don't have to tell you but you can request a copy at any time" thing happens all the time, bud. Read any EULA you've ever signed. I'm willing to bet you've never read ANY of them that you've signed.
Uh, bud, that is why I actually raised it.
Like, dude, that is my whole point. It is in almost every EULA. Not only does it say that they may change it, but that by agreeing to the first one you automatically agree to all subsequent changes. So if, say, they want to change it to say "you owe us all your money and your first born" they can.
Except that it is not legal, it might go against your principles but the fact is that you can NOT make many contracts. You cannot trade sex, slaves, illegal goods. Women (prenups) are exempt from following contracts in many states, and anyone under 18 is exempt from any contract.
The fact is that many aspects of that so called "contract" are void everywhere.

Two willing parties agree to an agreement that doesn't violate any municipal, state, or federal law? Why would a judge get involved, other than if one of them doesn't uphold their side of the agreement?

Fuck, even a verbal agreement stands in civil court.

A verbal agreement is a lot more legitimate then a EULA. And two willing parties? have you ever actually SEEN a EULA?
 

Nik

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You're just stupid. There's no point in discussing this with you.
 

taltamir

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You know how in real life if you were standing next to the guy and you made a not so nice comment about him and he turns to you and punches you in the face? Well, that is what happened to this guy. EA turned to him online and punched him in the face. Not saying I support EA (because I think it way over reacted) but that is what happens when you break their EULA and insult them in a forum. Just because something is online or in public does not give you complete immunity under the constitution.

And after he punches you in the face you get to sue him for assault. Welcome to the adult world.
Also, they didn't just punch him in the face. They punched him, knocking him out, and then stole his wallet. So if you do that you are not only charged with assault, but also robbery.
 

Nik

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The situation would have to first start with an agreement between the two parties where the one party agrees that being punched in the face can be part of the consequences of his actions.

The whole punching thing isn't a good analogy.
 

taltamir

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The situation would have to first start with an agreement between the two parties where the one party agrees that being punched in the face can be part of the consequences of his actions.

No, the whole situation would have to start with the person being punched AND robbed walking into a house that had a EULA posted on the door saying that they may punch and rob you if you enter that premise, and that by entering the premise you waive your rights to not being punched and robbed.

The whole punching thing isn't a good analogy.
Actually it is a perfect analogy.
 

Nik

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EA's banning him from their property (servers) is not illegal. If the counter-piracy measures they've taken involve account verification on their servers to play their games, you're shit out of luck.

You can jump up and down until you're blue in the face about this, but you're stupidly and obviously wrong.
 

taltamir

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EA's banning him from their property (servers) is not illegal. If the counter-piracy measures they've taken involve account verification on their servers to play their games, you're shit out of luck.

You can jump up and down until you're blue in the face about this, but you're stupidly and obviously wrong.

EA is "banning" from from playing a game he purchased. In other word they are stealing the game from him.
It has nothing to do with "counter piracy", in fact it is the main reason piracy exists in the first place.
 

Nik

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Nik just go and get a room with stanley woo and friends, its clear you love them that much

I'm not defending EA's choice of action, but I'll defend their right to exercise their rights within the law.

However, if trolling and insults make you happy because you aren't smart enough to participate in the conversation, I'll just pat you on the head, give you a shiny object, and send you on your way.
 
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Nik

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EA is "banning" from from playing a game he purchased. In other word they are stealing the game from him.
It has nothing to do with "counter piracy", in fact it is the main reason piracy exists in the first place.

Wrong.

Completely unrelated.

Nobody's forcing you to buy EA games. Nobody's forcing you to agree with their EULA and therefore be legally bound by it.

It's not theft you bleeding idiot. There's no removal of property. You seriously need to stfu and read the goddamn eula.
 
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