Eagles vs. Steelers

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Modeps
I've got both Big Ben and McNabb in my FF League, who to start?

McNabb of course

doesn't this contradict exactly what you just said

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Who will cover TO? I repeat, who will cover TO? Shtsburgh is #9 in Pass D, with Philly dismantling #6, 7 and 8 (Carolina, Baltimore, and Chicago) Pass D's. How are the Stillers any different? Who will be the chump this week vs the best receiver in the NFL? :

Ricardo Colclough CB
29 Chidi Iwuoma CB
30 Chad Scott CB
24 Ike Taylor CB
26 Deshea Townsend CB
27 Willie Williams CB

and last but not least, are any of the above names better than Chris McAllister on the Ravens?

TO is going to be covered by Mcnabb getting sacked 5 times... And by the fact that the steelers are going to dominate time of possession. Yes TO will score... maybe even twice... but that won't be enough.

Steelers will win... 24-17

-Max

Absolutely not... Mcnabb is going to have a better day than Big Ben, but the eagles will still lose...

McNabb ~230yds 2 tds Roeth 180-200Yds 1 TD

-Max

I dont see the steelers winning this one without big ben having an unbelievable game

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Yes, the Ravens clearly have a better D than the Steelers, but even when healthy, the Ravens offense is terrible...and they were missing their only 3 good players....and they were STILL one bobbled drop away from losing that game. Philly will score on them, but Pittsburgh will score more.

Countering with your same "WHAT IF" scenario, McNabb was only 1 yard away from turning that game into a route. I think it will be a high scoring affair with TO having a monster game, as well as Hines Ward/Burress. If the Steeler's D can somehow sack/hurry McNabb and get him out of sync they will win the game because that will somewhat neutralize TO if you can't pass to him. Altho the real question is: how will Philly's OL stack up vs Pitt DL? If Pitt D doesn't get good pressure on McNabb he will scramble all day or pick apart the secondary since TO will spread the field.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Deeko
I would like to add to my examples about size a few safeties...

Your own Brian Dawkins, among the best FS in the league, is a mere 6'0" 200. Roy Williams on Dallas, also among the best FS in the league, and considered BIG for a safety(Parcells said last year that he was a few muffins away from being a linebacker) is 6'1" 228.

B.Dawk is listed at 200 but he's actually 215/220. He ROCKS people as well, just ask Chester Taylor how he fumbled yesterday. Roy Williams is huge, and rocks people as well. But the problem with tackling a guy that's 235 and can make cuts like nobody's biz is that you have to first get ahold of him in open field, which is hard enough, and then bring him down when he has a reach advantage (stiff arm) and has 15% more weight than you.

 

[Deeko]

Kev, only when it comes to douchebags like you.

Sp33demon, it will be a good game, and I agree it will be high scoring. But in my opinion...all variables considered, ESPECIALLY if Westbrook is out, I see a Steelers victory.

As for size...you keep quoting Eagles as being bigger than they're listed. Who is to say people on other teams aren't bigger as well? When it comes to tackling, sure being bigger helps, but ability is the key(see Dawkins). As for height, certainly being taller is an advantage, there is no denying that, but if you're against the CB's I listed above, you need a DAMN good pass for it to be in a place that solely by height can the receiver pull it in, and frankly, while his accuracy has improved considerably this year, I don't see McNabb as having that kind of precision on a regular basis.

 

[murphy55d]

Troy Polamalu can't hit hard...? lol

The guy is awesome... he will be a Pro Bowl safety within 2 years. Chris Hope is also a very hard hitter. Neither of our starting CBs are very physical(Townsend and Williams), but they will double Owens with either Hope or Polamalu, who both have incredible speed and can tackle.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Kev, only when it comes to douchebags like you.

Sp33demon, it will be a good game, and I agree it will be high scoring. But in my opinion...all variables considered, ESPECIALLY if Westbrook is out, I see a Steelers victory.

As for size...you keep quoting Eagles as being bigger than they're listed. Who is to say people on other teams aren't bigger as well? When it comes to tackling, sure being bigger helps, but ability is the key(see Dawkins). As for height, certainly being taller is an advantage, there is no denying that, but if you're against the CB's I listed above, you need a DAMN good pass for it to be in a place that solely by height can the receiver pull it in, and frankly, while his accuracy has improved considerably this year, I don't see McNabb as having that kind of precision on a regular basis.

Yes it will be a good game, not sure how PItt DL will match with Philly OL. That will be key. If Westbrook is out, then the Steelers should be favored.

I was listing the real weights of TO and B.Dawk because this is common knowledge to any Eagle fan, they have said it during the games this year. I don't know if anyone on Pittsburgh is heavier/lighter because I don't follow them as closely.

You say that being bigger helps, but "ability" is key. I don't think you would disagree in that TO has ability!! McNabb may not have laser beam Manning precision, but I think TO can compensate with his ability (and has). TO won't lose many jump balls, McNabb just has to make sure nobody steps in a passing lane and picks it, that will be the biggest interception threat for Philly, not the long ball.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: Deeko

I think it's great and everything that the steelers are excited over their first victory against a team with a winning record this year, but they will not win next week. Even with westbrook out. The steelers are a fraud.

You fvcking idiot, they didn't just "beat a team with a winning record", they beat the New England Patriots.

well, the next 2 victories are guaranteed now. thanks deeko. just make sure you pick against us throughout the playoffs this year.

You know, hard as it may be at admit for you, and biased as I may be, I know football better than most people I know. You, on the other hand, show the typical Philly lack of knowledge. That's fine with me though, you're the ignorant one, not me.

my point is the patriots DIDN'T SHOW UP. they may have been wearing the same uniforms, but that wasn't the same new england team i've seen win over and over for the past year. i guess the miami dolphins are better than the rams by your logic.

all i have to say about that 2nd paragraph is this: you are a conceited little prick.

You've got to be kidding me? Did you even watch the game? Have you watched NE all season?

New England has consistently won because they have played near perfect games... Brady has been well protected, and their running game has been solid and consistent.

Big Ben lead the Steelers perfectly, flawlessly, he was strong consistent and didnt make the mistakes that have killed NE opponents in the past. The Pitt D was ferocious disrupting Brady's rhythm... Brady more than any quarterback in the league is all about his rhythm. This left NE without a crushing defense, and without a solid QB. Maybe if they had Corey Dillon with a solid running game, they would have had a chance... but NE doesnt have the superstar power to carry the game on one element alone. So even with Dillon it wouldn't have been enough. NE didn't play poorly... Pitt just stomped them... thats simply the way it was.... give credit where credit is due. ... Did you see Ben pop that straight arm, and complete that pass? That is composure... that is what won the game. Pure and simple... expect the same thing against Philly....

Philly has a much better shot the NE simply because of the utter star power of TO... TO can win a game by himself... and this coming sunday he's going to have to. But with Westbrook out, and the Pitt D focused on smacking Brady around... I think TO won't be enough.

-Max

P.S. stop being such a sore NE loser.... your team is good... be proud... they just got stomped by a better team... get over it.

 

[kranky]

Originally posted by: Kev
and for an example of just how poorly new england played yesterday (forget about the streak) - they let bettis break off a 30 YARD RUN. that is absolutely pathetic. the patriots also ran for FOUR YARDS with dillon out. the steelers had a good game against a team that just didnt show up

This is how you lay the groundwork so you can claim the Eagles are better no matter what happens on Sunday. If the Eagles win, then you'll say the Eagles are a better team. If they lose, then I suppose it will be that they "just didn't show up."

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: Kev
and for an example of just how poorly new england played yesterday (forget about the streak) - they let bettis break off a 30 YARD RUN. that is absolutely pathetic. the patriots also ran for FOUR YARDS with dillon out. the steelers had a good game against a team that just didnt show up

This is how you lay the groundwork so you can claim the Eagles are better no matter what happens on Sunday. If the Eagles win, then you'll say the Eagles are a better team. If they lose, then I suppose it will be that they "just didn't show up."

My reason for saying the Eagles are going to win is that "Mr. Self-Proclaimed Football Guru" says they are going to lose. When "Mr. Self-Proclaimed Football Guru" says the Eagles are going to lose, they invariably win and then he comes back to give us 15000 reasons why they suck and they got lucky and that they will lose next week...

The exception to this rule is, of course, the NFC Championship... :|

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Deeko
Kev, only when it comes to douchebags like you.

Sp33demon, it will be a good game, and I agree it will be high scoring. But in my opinion...all variables considered, ESPECIALLY if Westbrook is out, I see a Steelers victory.

As for size...you keep quoting Eagles as being bigger than they're listed. Who is to say people on other teams aren't bigger as well? When it comes to tackling, sure being bigger helps, but ability is the key(see Dawkins). As for height, certainly being taller is an advantage, there is no denying that, but if you're against the CB's I listed above, you need a DAMN good pass for it to be in a place that solely by height can the receiver pull it in, and frankly, while his accuracy has improved considerably this year, I don't see McNabb as having that kind of precision on a regular basis.

Yes it will be a good game, not sure how PItt DL will match with Philly OL. That will be key. If Westbrook is out, then the Steelers should be favored.

I was listing the real weights of TO and B.Dawk because this is common knowledge to any Eagle fan, they have said it during the games this year. I don't know if anyone on Pittsburgh is heavier/lighter because I don't follow them as closely.

You say that being bigger helps, but "ability" is key. I don't think you would disagree in that TO has ability!! McNabb may not have laser beam Manning precision, but I think TO can compensate with his ability (and has). TO won't lose many jump balls, McNabb just has to make sure nobody steps in a passing lane and picks it, that will be the biggest interception threat for Philly, not the long ball.

Yes....I don't care if its TO or Pinkston, if the QB has all day to throw it, someone will get open sooner or later.

I'm certainly not downplaying T.O.'s ability, nor am I saying the Steelers have CB with the talent of Champ Bailey. I'm saying from a general perspective, that just because a receiver is big and the DB is small, doesn't mean much.

Speaking of Manning...I was looking at the stats today...wow. In addition to 22 TD's and 4 picks...the man only had 4 sacks. Goes with what I've been saying all along...doesn't matter that he's immobile, his ability to read the defense is insane.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: Kev
and for an example of just how poorly new england played yesterday (forget about the streak) - they let bettis break off a 30 YARD RUN. that is absolutely pathetic. the patriots also ran for FOUR YARDS with dillon out. the steelers had a good game against a team that just didnt show up

This is how you lay the groundwork so you can claim the Eagles are better no matter what happens on Sunday. If the Eagles win, then you'll say the Eagles are a better team. If they lose, then I suppose it will be that they "just didn't show up."

My reason for saying the Eagles are going to win is that "Mr. Self-Proclaimed Football Guru" says they are going to lose. When "Mr. Self-Proclaimed Football Guru" says the Eagles are going to lose, they invariably win and then he comes back to give us 15000 reasons why they suck and they got lucky and that they will lose next week...

The exception to this rule is, of course, the NFC Championship... :|

Seems you can't read. Go back the last few weeks and read my predictions on the Eagles game. Come on, I dare you.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: Kev
and for an example of just how poorly new england played yesterday (forget about the streak) - they let bettis break off a 30 YARD RUN. that is absolutely pathetic. the patriots also ran for FOUR YARDS with dillon out. the steelers had a good game against a team that just didnt show up

This is how you lay the groundwork so you can claim the Eagles are better no matter what happens on Sunday. If the Eagles win, then you'll say the Eagles are a better team. If they lose, then I suppose it will be that they "just didn't show up."

My reason for saying the Eagles are going to win is that "Mr. Self-Proclaimed Football Guru" says they are going to lose. When "Mr. Self-Proclaimed Football Guru" says the Eagles are going to lose, they invariably win and then he comes back to give us 15000 reasons why they suck and they got lucky and that they will lose next week...

The exception to this rule is, of course, the NFC Championship... :|

Seems you can't read. Go back the last few weeks and read my predictions on the Eagles game. Come on, I dare you.

When "Mr. Self-Proclaimed Football Guru" does pick the Eagles, he issues press releases that it proves his genius...

 

[Deeko]

:roll: I don't recall ever having said "SEE I TOLD YOU PHILLY WOULD WIN"...you are just bitter because I'm a Cowboys fan and I hate your team, and you know I'm right when I say you ain't winning the Superbowl.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: Deeko
:roll: I don't recall ever having said "SEE I TOLD YOU PHILLY WOULD WIN"...you are just bitter because I'm a Cowboys fan and I hate your team, and you know I'm right when I say you ain't winning the Superbowl.

see post above...

Go back the last few weeks and read my predictions on the Eagles game. Come on, I dare you.

I am not bitter that you are a Cowboys fan. I am bitter because Warren Sapp has a Super Bowl Ring...

Face it, you LOVE to tell us all how you know so much about football and you have a long history of incorrectly picking against the Eagles (last few weeks excepted) and being wrong on all except the unmentionable occasions...

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Deeko
Kev, only when it comes to douchebags like you.

Sp33demon, it will be a good game, and I agree it will be high scoring. But in my opinion...all variables considered, ESPECIALLY if Westbrook is out, I see a Steelers victory.

As for size...you keep quoting Eagles as being bigger than they're listed. Who is to say people on other teams aren't bigger as well? When it comes to tackling, sure being bigger helps, but ability is the key(see Dawkins). As for height, certainly being taller is an advantage, there is no denying that, but if you're against the CB's I listed above, you need a DAMN good pass for it to be in a place that solely by height can the receiver pull it in, and frankly, while his accuracy has improved considerably this year, I don't see McNabb as having that kind of precision on a regular basis.

Yes it will be a good game, not sure how PItt DL will match with Philly OL. That will be key. If Westbrook is out, then the Steelers should be favored.

I was listing the real weights of TO and B.Dawk because this is common knowledge to any Eagle fan, they have said it during the games this year. I don't know if anyone on Pittsburgh is heavier/lighter because I don't follow them as closely.

You say that being bigger helps, but "ability" is key. I don't think you would disagree in that TO has ability!! McNabb may not have laser beam Manning precision, but I think TO can compensate with his ability (and has). TO won't lose many jump balls, McNabb just has to make sure nobody steps in a passing lane and picks it, that will be the biggest interception threat for Philly, not the long ball.

Yes....I don't care if its TO or Pinkston, if the QB has all day to throw it, someone will get open sooner or later.

I'm certainly not downplaying T.O.'s ability, nor am I saying the Steelers have CB with the talent of Champ Bailey. I'm saying from a general perspective, that just because a receiver is big and the DB is small, doesn't mean much.

Speaking of Manning...I was looking at the stats today...wow. In addition to 22 TD's and 4 picks...the man only had 4 sacks. Goes with what I've been saying all along...doesn't matter that he's immobile, his ability to read the defense is insane.

Yup, Manning is very smart, he runs like a 4.2 Ghz chip vs 233 Mhz for Kyle Boller.

So all in all, if Pitt can't put pressure on McNabb it's going to be a long day for them.

Yes, size isn't everything. For example, this CB on West Virginia, Adam Jones is only 5-8 listed (probably shorter than that), but he's their best CB and they're first in the conference. But many times he will get beat on jumpballs by the bigger receivers, not much you can do about that.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: Deeko
:roll: I don't recall ever having said "SEE I TOLD YOU PHILLY WOULD WIN"...you are just bitter because I'm a Cowboys fan and I hate your team, and you know I'm right when I say you ain't winning the Superbowl.

see post above...

Go back the last few weeks and read my predictions on the Eagles game. Come on, I dare you.

I am not bitter that you are a Cowboys fan. I am bitter because Warren Sapp has a Super Bowl Ring...

Face it, you LOVE to tell us all how you know so much about football and you have a long history of incorrectly picking against the Eagles (last few weeks excepted) and being wrong on all except the unmentionable occasions...

I'm only cocky when you make things up about what I've said. If you want to put words in my mouth(which you are continuing to do right now), expect a conceited, flat out, 'you are wrong' style response.

Yes, that was the Eagles chance. in 2001 they did not deserve to beat the Rams. Last year maybe they deserved to beat the Panthers, but they shouldn't necessarily have gotten that far in the first place. The championship probably shoulda been Rams/Packers last year. 2002 was their chance...and they blew it.

 

[Deeko]

sp33demon, yes, when it come to the jump ball height wins over all...but in order for that to be a consistant factor you need a QB who can throw the ball in that spot on every play, that's the key to the height game.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Deeko
:roll: I don't recall ever having said "SEE I TOLD YOU PHILLY WOULD WIN"...you are just bitter because I'm a Cowboys fan and I hate your team, and you know I'm right when I say you ain't winning the Superbowl.

There's only one thing I hate more than an Eagles fan.... a Cowboys fan... You guys SUUUUCK... your Team suuuucks... long live the chiefs.

love,

-Max

 

[Deeko]

I smell a tear hitting the ground.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: Deeko
I smell a tear hitting the ground.

You didn't feel it running down your cheek?

 

[Doboji]

Allow me to reiterate... I am not a long standing fan of any team... I don't hate any team any more than any other for any significant period of time... with one exception... I have hated the Cowboys with a passion since 1990...

Cowboys fans should be shipped to a small wooded island so that we can burn them all together.

-Max

 

[Deeko]

What do I have to cry about? I've got no problems with my team. I was a fan through one of the most successful dynasties in NFL history. Yes, they went through salary cap hell, but now that that's over they are recovering admirably, and are a team undeniably on the rise. I am not a Yankees fan, I don't need a championship EVERY year to keep me happy.

Seriously, you, Kev, and lordtyranus need to get over whatever sand is in your vagina. sp33demon seems to be the only one of you capable of holding an intelligent conversation.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Doboji
Allow me to reiterate... I am not a long standing fan of any team... I don't hate any team any more than any other for any significant period of time... with one exception... I have hated the Cowboys with a passion since 1990...

Cowboys fans should be shipped to a small wooded island so that we can burn them all together.

-Max

Oh, so you're a bandwaggoner. That's cool...

Ever notice how many people hate the Cowboys? Know where that stems from? Jealousy my friend....Jealousy. Go ahead, spout other reasons, we both know the truth.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Go ahead, spout other reasons...

Here's 2

They are a divisional rival - it all starts there...
Their fans - especially the ones that aren't from Dallas

 

[TheVrolok]

Sp33demon, Kev, and Deeko already arguing about the Eagles, just what I like to see .. I've missed so much already I might as well throw my thoughts in as well.

This may very well be the toughest regular season game for the Eagles this year ... Before I even talk about the teams themselves.. it's a game at Heinz field and it's a rival team. That's something in itself and both of those facts favor the Steelers.

Having said that bit, to the teams .. The Steelers are a damn fine football team this year (which makes me wonder wtf happened last year? but that's another story) and this is going to be one great game. Yes, the Steelers did topple the Patriots yesterday.. but it didn't help the Patriots at all that they had, what, less than 10 rushing yards? And turned the ball over 4 times? All of which resulted in Pittsburgh points (touchdowns as well? 3 TDs and a FG... I didn't watch that game too closely, but I'm pretty sure its close to that). So yes, the Steelers definitely did do some damage, but the Pats hurts themselves a lot too..

Eagles / Steelers.. hmmm

The Steelers DEFINITELY have a better ability at eating away clock time .. and this will really help them out in what will (hopefully) be a close game. It's impossible to argue that Jerome Bettis and Duce Staley aren't a wonderful set of backs with which to devour the clock. I'm not sure on Westbrooks status for the Eagles.. but either way, healthy or not, he just can't help eat up the clock like the Steelers backfield. The Steelers obviously have the rushing advantage.

WRs? Tough one.. I wouldn't be troubled to say I'd take the Steelers trio over just about any in the league .. none of them are, individually, the same calibur as say.. T.O.. BUT, combined they are a fantastic bunch, and very well rounded. Look at Ward himself, good receiver, good run blocker, good head on his shoulders.. fantastic player. There will definitely be more mismatches in favor of the Eagles in that T.O. is tough to be defended, period. And the Eagles secondary is harldy terrible when placed up against a solid trio of receivers. Yet I don't see a big advantage either way.

QBs? D. Mc vs Big Ben.. hmm.. it's going to be interesting, if the Eagles o-line can keep back the front 4 of the Steelers and give McNabb some time, things will be nice for Philly's Westcoast offense.. the Eagles have no problems on the o-line, it's a solid bunch and I think it'll be a pretty good dogfight in the trenches there. Big Ben has done some fantastic work thus far this season... One of the best rookie QB performances I've ever seen (not that I've seen a whole lot).. but the Eagles also do have a very solid defense line featuring the Freak himself. With Jim Johnson's blitzing D and assistance from outsidanding DE's like Kearse, Hugh Dougles, etc.. I could see Ben getting flustered or beaten up a bit (althoug he does seem to perform pretty well outside of the pocket). A misthrown ball however, could be easy prey for a solid Eagles secondary. (Of course these same arguments could be made for the Steelers D vs the Eagles O.. I don't know much about the Steelers front 4 to say a whole lot..) Advtange here? I'd like to say the Eagles with Kearse/Hugh/Corey Simon/etc.. up front, but we shall see.

I'm tired of writing and therefore I'll stop (until Deeko starts arguing ) but I don't see a clear winner in this game. I think it's going to be a good one. If the Eagles have to lose (and they do, even tho I don't want them to ) I would be happy to see them lose to the Steelers. I would looooovve to see a Philly/Pittsburgh superbowl, it would be fantastic.