Eagles vs. Steelers

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: Deeko
Go ahead, spout other reasons...

Here's 2

They are a divisional rival - it all starts there...
Their fans - especially the ones that aren't from Dallas

Obviously you hate your division rivals. I'm referring to OTHER people, like Chiefs fans for instance.

So I'm not from Dallas. I live in Philly now but I was not born here. I should be a fan of Pottsville.....but they haven't had an NFL team for about 70 years, so that leaves me free until they come back!

 

[FFactory0x]

Yo Deeko. Where you at any parties this weekend? I was actually at the Pike party on like 33rd or 34th above powel

 

[y2kc]

Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Sp33demon, Kev, and Deeko already arguing about the Eagles, just what I like to see .. I've missed so much already I might as well throw my thoughts in as well.

This may very well be the toughest regular season game for the Eagles this year ... Before I even talk about the teams themselves.. it's a game at Heinz field and it's a rival team. That's something in itself and both of those facts favor the Steelers.

Having said that bit, to the teams .. The Steelers are a damn fine football team this year (which makes me wonder wtf happened last year? but that's another story) and this is going to be one great game. Yes, the Steelers did topple the Patriots yesterday.. but it didn't help the Patriots at all that they had, what, less than 10 rushing yards? And turned the ball over 4 times? All of which resulted in Pittsburgh points (touchdowns as well? 3 TDs and a FG... I didn't watch that game too closely, but I'm pretty sure its close to that). So yes, the Steelers definitely did do some damage, but the Pats hurts themselves a lot too..

Eagles / Steelers.. hmmm

The Steelers DEFINITELY have a better ability at eating away clock time .. and this will really help them out in what will (hopefully) be a close game. It's impossible to argue that Jerome Bettis and Duce Staley aren't a wonderful set of backs with which to devour the clock. I'm not sure on Westbrooks status for the Eagles.. but either way, healthy or not, he just can't help eat up the clock like the Steelers backfield. The Steelers obviously have the rushing advantage.

WRs? Tough one.. I wouldn't be troubled to say I'd take the Steelers trio over just about any in the league .. none of them are, individually, the same calibur as say.. T.O.. BUT, combined they are a fantastic bunch, and very well rounded. Look at Ward himself, good receiver, good run blocker, good head on his shoulders.. fantastic player. There will definitely be more mismatches in favor of the Eagles in that T.O. is tough to be defended, period. And the Eagles secondary is harldy terrible when placed up against a solid trio of receivers. Yet I don't see a big advantage either way.

QBs? D. Mc vs Big Ben.. hmm.. it's going to be interesting, if the Eagles o-line can keep back the front 4 of the Steelers and give McNabb some time, things will be nice for Philly's Westcoast offense.. the Eagles have no problems on the o-line, it's a solid bunch and I think it'll be a pretty good dogfight in the trenches there. Big Ben has done some fantastic work thus far this season... One of the best rookie QB performances I've ever seen (not that I've seen a whole lot).. but the Eagles also do have a very solid defense line featuring the Freak himself. With Jim Johnson's blitzing D and assistance from outsidanding DE's like Kearse, Hugh Dougles, etc.. I could see Ben getting flustered or beaten up a bit (althoug he does seem to perform pretty well outside of the pocket). A misthrown ball however, could be easy prey for a solid Eagles secondary. (Of course these same arguments could be made for the Steelers D vs the Eagles O.. I don't know much about the Steelers front 4 to say a whole lot..) Advtange here? I'd like to say the Eagles with Kearse/Hugh/Corey Simon/etc.. up front, but we shall see.

I'm tired of writing and therefore I'll stop (until Deeko starts arguing ) but I don't see a clear winner in this game. I think it's going to be a good one. If the Eagles have to lose (and they do, even tho I don't want them to ) I would be happy to see them lose to the Steelers. I would looooovve to see a Philly/Pittsburgh superbowl, it would be fantastic.

Great post. unbiased and free from the typical fanboi "my team rocks, yours sucks" nonsense that seems to be a given in any thread that mentions the Eagles.

Regardless of who wins it should be a good game, can't wait.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: FFactory0x
Yo Deeko. Where you at any parties this weekend? I was actually at the Pike party on like 33rd or 34th above powel

I was all over the place this weekend....I *think* the only party put on by Pikes was 38/baring on Saturday? Friday night was the TKE social...Saturday there was that one, a D Phi E party 32/winter, as well as rugby house 34/spring and a few others...

 

[GasX]

Well, since we are on to actual discussion, I will throw a few stats on the table:

Points Per Game
Eagles: 26.6 (4)
Steelers 24.3 (7)

Passing Yards Per Game
Eagles: 278.2 (2)
Steelers 179.8 (25)

Rushing Yards Per Game
Eagles: 135.5 (5)
Steelers 179.8 (20)

First Downs Per Game
Eagles: 19.3 (14)
Steelers 19.6 (11)

Time Of Possession
Eagles: 30:06 (2)
Steelers 31:46 (15)

Combined Record Of Opponents:
Eagles: 24-25
Steelers: 21-29

Looking at just these numbers, I see the Eagles having a better offense against better opponents. Not having Westbrook is a huge blow, but the offense will remain effective. With the Westbrook injury, I'll call it even on balance.

However, let's talk about the Quarterbacks. There is no question that the Eagles win this matchup. One is a former MVP having an MVP year and the other is a rookie who has "shown a lot of poise". My opinion is that Rothlisberger is finally going to have a rookie moment in this game and that it will haunt the Steelers. The Eagles offensive line is at least marginally better than the Steelers and despite what everyone is saying, Ben is a rookie and Mcnab is TRULY unflappable in the pocket. The Steeler's QB is much more likely to have the bad day... With two of the great blitzing defenses battling, I see Philly winning the matchup...

A BIG factor is the Steelers' attitude after the big win. If they follow Cowher's lead, they wont have a big let down after the big win, but it was a BIG win... It remains a tall order IMHO... As far as the Eagles are concerned on this, I don't see them as ready for a bubble bursting attitude problem...

Finally, it'll be a big statement win for either team and the Steeler's are at home - a decided advantage for them.

In my opinion, both teams are going to come to play and it is going to be a great game, but big ben is finally going to be proven mortal and that will decide it.

Don't bet the under...

 

[PunDogg]

STEELERS!!! GO GO GO GO!!!

 

[puffff]

having lived in pittsburgh for the last 6 years, i'm obligated to say...

GO STEELERS!!!!

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: Deeko
Go ahead, spout other reasons...

Here's 2

They are a divisional rival - it all starts there...
Their fans - especially the ones that aren't from Dallas

Obviously you hate your division rivals. I'm referring to OTHER people, like Chiefs fans for instance.

So I'm not from Dallas. I live in Philly now but I was not born here. I should be a fan of Pottsville.....but they haven't had an NFL team for about 70 years, so that leaves me free until they come back!

First of all I was born, raised and currently live in the Wash DC metro area... if that isn't reason enough to hate the cowboys... their pompous fans damn sure put them over the top.

-Max

 

[lordtyranus]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Who will cover TO? I repeat, who will cover TO? Shtsburgh is #9 in Pass D, with Philly dismantling #6, 7 and 8 (Carolina, Baltimore, and Chicago) Pass D's. How are the Stillers any different? Who will be the chump this week vs the best receiver in the NFL? :

Ricardo Colclough CB
29 Chidi Iwuoma CB
30 Chad Scott CB
24 Ike Taylor CB
26 Deshea Townsend CB
27 Willie Williams CB

and last but not least, are any of the above names better than Chris McAllister on the Ravens?

Mcalister didn't play TO heads up.

We were EXTREMELY lucky to win that game. The Ravens had 3 pro bowl offensive players out. I don't know why they didn't shadow TO, as Mcalister owned him last year. 23 yds receiving, no TDs. In a potential Super Bowl matchup we will have to play better.

Yes, the Ravens clearly have a better D than the Steelers, but even when healthy, the Ravens offense is terrible...and they were missing their only 3 good players....and they were STILL one bobbled drop away from losing that game. Philly will score on them, but Pittsburgh will score more.

Oh please. Even if they get that bobbled ball, they still need some 40 yards to the end zone. Not to meniton you whined so much about the Culpepper fumble on the 1 during the Vikings game (and how the game was really close because of it), but the Mcnabb fumble at the 1 goes unmentioned now?

I'll readily admit it was a close game, but not as much as you make it seem.

Next week: loss to the Steelers
Week after: horrible, crushing, embarassing defeat to the Cowboys

Quoted.

 

[Deeko]

lordidiot...please go back and quote where I said the Eagles couldn't have won this one by more. Certainly they could have. But, just like the Vikings game, it was a close game that they could have lost. That's all I'm saying, if you've got a problem with it, go impale yourself on Liberty 1.

*sigh* I'll make unbiased guesses on if they'll win or not when they're playing teams I don't care about...like the Ravens or the Steelers. Do you not expect me to claim my team will win? Seriously lordidiot...what do you plan to do with that quote?

 

[lordtyranus]

You don't find this humourous? You pick against the eagles every week and they win every week. But when they wil, its a "close game", no matter what the margin of victory was.

Post again in 2 weeks when we are 9-0. After we have trampled over the hapless Cowboys and TO does another dance on the logo.

 

[Gujski]

Hoping for a Steelers win. I think it will be a close high scoring game.

41-38 PIT

 

[Deeko]

*sigh* your reading is as selective as Kev's. I said the Ravens would lose. I said the Browns would lose. I said the Bears would lose. I said the Lions would lose. The only team I said I thought would win was the Vikings. In the beginning of the season I said I thouht Carolina had a shot, but that was before their entire team got hurt and the rest of them started playing like ass. This is the first week in a long time that I said the Eagles were gonna lose.

Now go fvck yourself with a rusty spike before you start putting words in my mouth again, you goddamn fvcking idiot.

 

[Kev]

Do you not expect me to claim my team will win?

yet you jump on us when we expect ours to win and say we're just "typical philly fans." hypocritical moron.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: Deeko
*sigh* your reading is as selective as Kev's. I said the Ravens would lose. I said the Browns would lose. I said the Bears would lose. I said the Lions would lose. The only team I said I thought would win was the Vikings. In the beginning of the season I said I thouht Carolina had a shot, but that was before their entire team got hurt and the rest of them started playing like ass. This is the first week in a long time that I said the Eagles were gonna lose.

Now go fvck yourself with a rusty spike before you start putting words in my mouth again, you goddamn fvcking idiot.

Here you say something like that Deeko, and when something like that would be said by an Eagles fan your reply would be, "Typical vulgar Eagles fan." So to you I say, typical Dallas fan.. typical...

 

[FreshCrabLegs]

Originally posted by: FFactory0x
STEELERS!!!!! T.O. CAN GO PACK SOME GARCIA FUDGE AND DIE

Fixed'ed

 

[gistech1978]

steelmen

 

[RagingBITCH]

I hate the Feagles but the Steelers are overrated, simply put. A good record != good team. The Eagle will pwn the fvck out of the them. Stop overhyping the Steelers and making them out to be a "good" team. It's pathetic.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
I hate the Feagles but the Steelers are overrated, simply put. A good record != good team. The Eagle will pwn the fvck out of the them. Stop overhyping the Steelers and making them out to be a "good" team. It's pathetic.

thank you for seeing the light, now spread this to your cowboy brethren!

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Kev

Do you not expect me to claim my team will win?

yet you jump on us when we expect ours to win and say we're just "typical philly fans." hypocritical moron.

Did you see the in my post? Would you care for me to elaborate on that being "wishful thinking" and nothing honestly coming in here and saying "dallas will beat philly for x, x, x, and x reasons". Read, think, and at least TRY to not be an idiot. Please, you're insulting the city I love by being associated with it.

Here you say something like that Deeko, and when something like that would be said by an Eagles fan your reply would be, "Typical vulgar Eagles fan." So to you I say, typical Dallas fan.. typical...

Do you not expect me to start lashing out in insults, when you morons continually, post after post after post, put words in my mouth? Christ it has nothing to do with football, it has to do with being misquoted, and you two being fvcking idiots and not being able to read. So I stand by my statement. I'll even sharpen the spike for you.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Kev

Do you not expect me to claim my team will win?

yet you jump on us when we expect ours to win and say we're just "typical philly fans." hypocritical moron.

Did you see the in my post? Would you care for me to elaborate on that being "wishful thinking" and nothing honestly coming in here and saying "dallas will beat philly for x, x, x, and x reasons". Read, think, and at least TRY to not be an idiot. Please, you're insulting the city I love by being associated with it.

Here you say something like that Deeko, and when something like that would be said by an Eagles fan your reply would be, "Typical vulgar Eagles fan." So to you I say, typical Dallas fan.. typical...

Do you not expect me to start lashing out in insults, when you morons continually, post after post after post, put words in my mouth? Christ it has nothing to do with football, it has to do with being misquoted, and you two being fvcking idiots and not being able to read. So I stand by my statement. I'll even sharpen the spike for you.

Actually, I haven't put a single word in your mouth, except for the above quoted statement, which you then agreed with so I don't know what else to say.. oh wait, I do. I do not expect you to lash out with insults (well, yes, I do expect YOU to lash out with insults) but I don't think it's too much to ask to be more mature about it. If you've got these people insulting you, why can't you just ignore them? I've never insulted you in such a way... it makes me nuts that you actually have valid (albeit arguable) points regarding the game and then you just lose control and start lashing out .. this is when your arguments begin to loose creedence. So just relax, and those less mature will calmly slip away...

 

[Deeko]

Nevermind, that was my mistake, I thought you were lordtyranous. He was the one putting words in my mouth. Sorry about that.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Nevermind, that was my mistake, I thought you were lordtyranous. He was the one putting words in my mouth. Sorry about that.

Not a problem. It happens in these sorts of battle threads.

 

[hdeck]

i hope the steelers win

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
I hate the Feagles but the Steelers are overrated, simply put. A good record != good team. The Eagle will pwn the fvck out of the them. Stop overhyping the Steelers and making them out to be a "good" team. It's pathetic.

So the Pats suck as well? I guess having a balanced offense AND defense is a bad thing? The Steelers may not have a dominating offense scoring 5TDs+ every game and they don't have the best defense ever, but they compliment each other very well. If you actually watched their games you'd notice that if their D could not make a play, their offense would generally step up and vice versa.

The Pats didn't play a smart game, sure the Pats didn't have Dillon, but the Steelers also lost Casey Hampton and Chad Scott on D, with a weakened D-line the Pats should have made more attempts on the ground, if they can't get anything going on the ground without Dillon then they are screwed, no running game is the very reason the Steelers were not so hot last year at 6-10. Even then, the Steeler's secondary also took a hit with the loss of Chad Scott, so even though the Pats did have a pass exclusive O, they should have been more successful, right? Not so, the Steelers had players step up and make plays when the needed it, 2 different players had picks, not to forget some key knocked down passes that might also have been picked. Then there is Joey Porter who was a star LB in this game whereas it was Ferrier in their last game vs. the Cowboys. Their individual players seem to want to step up and make plays. Yeah they have Staley and Bettis, but they also have Haynes, who is suprisingly good when they put him in.

Steelers look like a team who wants it, but that doesn't mean they out play anyone just by wanting it.

OK now to add in some valid points:
-The Eagles have beaten every opponent by double digits EXCEPT for their past two games against AFC NORTH teams, games of which they won only by 1 score and even had a good chance to lose.
-The Steelers are a team that does not look to win the game by adding on the score, they maintain their lead even if it means running the ball 3 and out just to eat a few minutes off the clock even if it is still the 3rd quarter. They also go for points, as there was a point in their game against the Pats where they could have gone for a TD 4th and goal on the 1 to go up 28-3 but after causing the Pats to take a time out they decided to make it a 3 TD with a field goal game instead of more.
-Roethlisberger isn't even really playing his kind of football, if you actually followed him through his 3 seasons at Miami, you'd know he's used to taking every snap from shotgun and throwing the ball for 300+ yards and several TDs a game. But the Steelers don't play that kind of ball, at least not until Ben actually knows all of the offense...of which last I heard they are only running 50-75% of the possible plays they would be running if they had Maddox in.

It'll be a close game, but whether it is high scoring like the Eagles vs. Browns, or like the Eagles vs. Ravens is still to be seen. Steelers did beat the Eagles in Philly in the pre-season, and they did it running more than passing, which is most likely what we'll see in the coming game where the Eagles go to the air while the Steelers keep it on the ground.

It could definately be an interesting game, especially if the Eagles gain a quick lead, It'll be interesting to see if they let Roethlisberger take it to the air like he did back in college gaining most of their yards in the air instead of having an insanely balanced offense (where they get 150+ on the ground and only about 200 through the air)

It should be a good game, parity in the NFL is insane this year where teams look horrible one week but completely destroy a respectable team the next. Who knows, the game could be a blow out either way, we'll just have to wait and see.