Early 90nm Athlon64s hitting 3GHz?

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: jediknight
I wouldn't be surprised if AMD has the same sort of problems Intel is having with moving to the 90nm process (ie: HEAT DISSIPATION!! Those transistors leak current big time!!)

But a 3 GHz A64 would be sweet..

Actually they are using different transistors for different parts of the CPU. Also look and see the newwer CPU runs at 1.2Volts.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: jediknight
I wouldn't be surprised if AMD has the same sort of problems Intel is having with moving to the 90nm process (ie: HEAT DISSIPATION!! Those transistors leak current big time!!)

But a 3 GHz A64 would be sweet..

Actually they are using different transistors for different parts of the CPU. Also look and see the newwer CPU runs at 1.2Volts.

Also don't forget AMD is using SOI which reduces current leakage quite a bit. I guess Intel is planning on using SOI with thier 60nm stuff. Either way, they've got to do something... even if they find a way to cool a 200 watt CPU, people aren't going to want a computer that puts out so much heat, especially in the summer when they're trying to COOL the air in their home.

 

[dheffer]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
I have never once jumped off the bandwagon. I'm glad I stayed with AMD. I love AMD.

ever since my 700mhz slot A
AMD FOR LIFE, YO
haha not really, but amd does kinda rock

 

[Megatomic]

With only a few short exceptions I've been all AMD all the time since my AMD 486-33. It hasn't always been a fast ride but it has been an interesting one.

 

[Yanagi]

I was AMD back in the 486 days, then got me intel 166MMX, P2, Coppermine celeron THEN moved to a T-Bird 1.4Ghz (god, look at that speed increase!!) and now on my Palomino Core 2100+. theres really no choice for me but to go with AMD for this round aswell, I've had bad expweriences with my intel systems. Im not saying they're bad, just that I've had bad experieces with them. I long for my A64. Hopefullly the winchester core, it should be out Jan/2005 right?

 

[Zebo]

That's real nice.

BUT they better be a hell of a lot cheaper than thier 120 939 parts which no one is buying right now dispite it's dominance...or at least should be since they can produce 30% more chips on the same waffer.

 

[edmundoab]

that would rock Intel badly.
AMD has always trail Intel in the Mhz war. Hope this closes the gap.

 

[Mellman]

I'm a huge anti-intel amd fanboy, and always use AMD in any system i build for myself or anyone else...if you ask me what to put in your new system its a gurantee im going to say amd, no matter what....but i dont get all this dothan bashing?

I bought my first intel product, and its simply because AMD has nothing similar to offer to me. The dothan, unless im serverly mistaken isnt something to "rival" the a64 chips. its a mobile chip, hence its lower power consumption etc. I have had my 1.7 dothan for a few months now and love it to death, its incredibly fast, AND it has 4 hours of battery life..AND it was cheap to boot! I dont get why so many people are comparing the dothan to the a64, they're totally different cpu's, competeing for a totally different place in the market.

 

[Megatomic]

Mellman, the future of Intel desktop CPUs for the next few product cycles will probably be based on the Dothan. That's why they're being compared to the A64.

 

[Nemesis2038]

I still bounce back and forth between Intel and AMD. I favor no one because I go for best bang for the buck. But it would appear AMD is going to be the majority of my machines over the next 12-18 months or even longer because I dont see Intel competing anytime soon. Even if they could get dothan up to speed its still a 32bit cpu and there are a lot of advantages I receive with 64bit computing. Forget the 4Gig plus ram issue as I am still using 1Gig on my Opteron its all the math functions the Opteron can push out that the Intel or previous AMD32 chips cant keep up with.

I calculated 3.3Ghz limit out of the 90 micron. Its around there that you get the photons jumping lines but it would appear AMD will have that resolved with SOI and some data path changes.

Im also not sure 3.3 is the limit. It may be possible for AMD to reach 3.6-3.7 easily with SOI on 90 micron. If this were strained silicon or plain silicon then 3.3 would be a problem. SOI should allow beyond 3.3Ghz abilities.

 

[SonicIce]

Originally posted by: Nemesis2038
I still bounce back and forth between Intel and AMD. I favor no one because I go for best bang for the buck. But it would appear AMD is going to be the majority of my machines over the next 12-18 months or even longer because I dont see Intel competing anytime soon. Even if they could get dothan up to speed its still a 32bit cpu and there are a lot of advantages I receive with 64bit computing. Forget the 4Gig plus ram issue as I am still using 1Gig on my Opteron its all the math functions the Opteron can push out that the Intel or previous AMD32 chips cant keep up with.<BR><BR>I calculated 3.3Ghz limit out of the 90 micron. Its around there that you get the photons jumping lines but it would appear AMD will have that resolved with SOI and some data path changes.<BR><BR>Im also not sure 3.3 is the limit. It may be possible for AMD to reach 3.6-3.7 easily with SOI on 90 micron. If this were strained silicon or plain silicon then 3.3 would be a problem. SOI should allow beyond 3.3Ghz abilities.

The best bang for the buck is what it's all about. All of us AMD fanboys will have a really hard time accepting it when an Intel cpu (Dothan?) comes around and pwns the AMD's. Don't be stubborn and go AMD just because it's AMD. Go with what gives you the bang for the buck at the time your upgrading.

 

[TomKazansky]

donathans cannot be underestimated......it's the secrect weapon of intel, at least in 90 nm technology

however, hitting 3 ghz on a64 plateform will just allow amd to leap forward one more step, which makes it even harder for intel to keep up
amd with SOI should hit 3 ghz without much trouble on heat, however, if amd64 gets even more efficient at 90nm compare to 130nm, then intel is going hav to play a big time catch-up

the dual core is teh ownage, i've read about amd's "double gate" cpu almost a year ago....i guess the day has finally come

 

[Stoneburner]

the 90nm A64's damn have to reach 3 ghz and above, this shouldn't be a surprise to anybody.

 

[Demonicon]

Until they start handing out fanboy discounts. I'll stick to buying best price/performance CPU.

 

[Demo24]

Originally posted by: Demonicon
Until they start handing out fanboy discounts. I'll stick to buying best price/performance CPU.

which IS the AMd 64

 

[clarkey01]

I was talking to an Intel worker and he says AMD are havin trouble with A64 yields, which I thought was surprising.

Remember if this is true that early samples are hitting 3ghz just wait till the 0.9 micron process is mature, 3.2Ghz will be the max I reckon. But AMD have to be careful how fast the scale, its ok saying " Send a 3Ghz 4800+ part out , Intel will be in trouble", cos they wont have 65 nm tech in place and working till 06 Q2, which leaves them dead in the water if they use all that clockspeed headroom now to hammer Intel.

All depends on what Intel does, if they are slow or having trouble ramping ( which it appears they are) then AMD can use the potential 600/800 mhz when they feel like it.

 

[iwantanewcomputer]

(anyone notice how old this tread is???)

Originally posted by: clarkey01
I was talking to an Intel worker and he says AMD are havin trouble with A64 yields, which I thought was surprising.

Remember if this is true that early samples are hitting 3ghz just wait till the 0.9 micron process is mature, 3.2Ghz will be the max I reckon. But AMD have to be careful how fast the scale, its ok saying " Send a 3Ghz 4800+ part out , Intel will be in trouble", cos they wont have 65 nm tech in place and working till 06 Q2, which leaves them dead in the water if they use all that clockspeed headroom now to hammer Intel.

All depends on what Intel does, if they are slow or having trouble ramping ( which it appears they are) then AMD can use the potential 600/800 mhz when they feel like it.

they better not have the 3 GHz anywhere near a pr of 4800. i know they are kicking the comparable intel cpus butts, but going from a 2 GHz 3000 to this is a 1800 extra pr for 1 GHz, i think amd's naming is getting exaggerated again, especially with the move to 939

i'll still get one, but ...oh well, i'll jsut get one and be happy

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
I was talking to an Intel worker and he says AMD are havin trouble with A64 yields, which I thought was surprising.

Remember if this is true that early samples are hitting 3ghz just wait till the 0.9 micron process is mature, 3.2Ghz will be the max I reckon. But AMD have to be careful how fast the scale, its ok saying " Send a 3Ghz 4800+ part out , Intel will be in trouble", cos they wont have 65 nm tech in place and working till 06 Q2, which leaves them dead in the water if they use all that clockspeed headroom now to hammer Intel.

All depends on what Intel does, if they are slow or having trouble ramping ( which it appears they are) then AMD can use the potential 600/800 mhz when they feel like it.

Pure FUD on his part...

1. He can't really know what the numbers are
2. AMD stated in their Q2 conference call (which carries a prison term if false info is given) that their 90nm yields were the best in the history of the company
3. There aren't really a lot of other things they can say at the moment...

 

[Demo24]

heck I know someone with a FX-53 that has 3.128 ghz on a water chiler or water cooling. I forget. Wasnt that hard I dont think. so with a 90nm Im guessing a 3.5

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: AWhackWhiteBoy
it scales linearly, its barely behind the AMD64 lines mhz for mhz, and its new and has LOTS of room to scale. it also uses very,very little power so putting two in one core could make an amazing, average power consuming processor.

Dothan's power usage number is very misleading...

1. When you measure power usage on a Dothan vs Mobile A64, don't forget that you must add the 6-9 watts of the northbridge to the Dothan's power (A64 has it included in the CPU)
2. Dothan's power is measured as an average, not max...A64 is measured at theoretical max.

 

[Zebo]

Never believe Intels TDP's, they are with nothing running at best.

 

[iwantanewcomputer]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: AWhackWhiteBoy
it scales linearly, its barely behind the AMD64 lines mhz for mhz, and its new and has LOTS of room to scale. it also uses very,very little power so putting two in one core could make an amazing, average power consuming processor.

Dothan's power usage number is very misleading...

1. When you measure power usage on a Dothan vs Mobile A64, don't forget that you must add the 6-9 watts of the northbridge to the Dothan's power (A64 has it included in the CPU)
2. Dothan's power is measured as an average, not max...A64 is measured at theoretical max.

interesting, intel processors just took another hit in my opinion

Originally posted by: DEMO24
heck I know someone with a FX-53 that has 3.128 ghz on a water chiler or water cooling. I forget. Wasnt that hard I dont think. so with a 90nm Im guessing a 3.5

3.1 is pretty nice from 2.4. must be something cooler than room temp. are they going to make 90 nm 55's any time soon cause i just might get 1. if the 90's can get to 3.5 with good cooling (ie the kind you need for a 3.5 presscott) we could have another gigahertz race, cept this time the performance will be all amd

 

[clarkey01]

"1 is pretty nice from 2.4. must be something cooler than room temp. are they going to make 90 nm 55's any time soon cause i just might get 1. if the 90's can get to 3.5 with good cooling (ie the kind you need for a 3.5 presscott) we could have another gigahertz race, cept this time the performance will be all amd
"


Intel would need a 5ghz Presscot to match a 3.5 Ghz AMD part at least

 

[theinsen1]

well i loved pIII when it came out.. really neat chipset.
i started making athlon based machines when xp+ hit the scene
they were pretty decent.
but what i feel that intel is a very aggressive marketer as compared to AMD
oviously all here understand how great a amd64 3ghz will be but what about the layman
they probably think speed is everything and would probably opt for a 4 ghz intel machine even all he does is word processing!
this is a great ad gimmick!
Chipzilla knows this.
and they know that people (read layman)normally dont buy so smart and give crap about all the benchmarking we do. this what makes them hit in desktop and mobile scenario.
only and only if AMD can do in the desktop what it did in OPTERON vs ITENIUM2!!!!!!

 

[AdamUK]

What nm is the AMD 64 4000? And when will that be out?