Earth day - April 22nd

[tfinch2]

Hey Rogo, conserve energy and turn off your computer.

What am I going to do for Earth Day? Pick up some free CFLs from Home Depot, and replace my CRT monitor with an LCD.

 

[Rogodin2]

Don't need to-the sun powers it.

Rogo

 

[KMurphy]

I have just one question for Rogodin2:

How do you plan to stay warm way up there in the Pacific NW? Making heat for populations in cold winter climates is the largest energy consumer there is.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: Rogodin2

People will believe whatever is most convenient and enjoyable for themselves. It's the same as with creationists, people who read horoscopes, etc.

What is convenient and enjoyable is the belief that the way you're living right now is tenable. What I believe is fact and is backed by the statistical evaluations of your own government.

I honestly don't care if you poopsnakes make it through a global energy crysis, it's enough to know that myself and my family will.

Rogo

That's what I'm saying. I'm not criticizing you. Stop saying "poopsnakes"!

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: KMurphy
I have just one question for Rogodin2:

How do you plan to stay warm way up there in the Pacific NW? Making heat for populations in cold winter climates is the largest energy consumer there is.

The Pacific Northwest isn't especially cold.

 

[BrownTown]

If your in TVA territory I'll remind you that TVA is holding hearings on their new strategic plan in the next few days, so you can go out and tell them about what you want them to do in the futures (also if someone lives in Nashville you can drive me so I don't have to run 15 miles ). Also, they had the public meeting on finishing Watts Bar 2 (nuclear plant) and the anti-nuclear people who came said that the response of the residents was like "a nuclear power fair", so it looks like that bad boy is getting built starting next year next year (what a bargain at only 2 Billion dollars!).

About the only thing I did was go out to the Inconvenient Truth presentation for the free pizza . Also I got a free nalgene, so go free stuff! Also went to Sheryl Crow Concert with Laurie David (or w/e her names is) and they gave me a free light bulb(9W compact fluorescent)!, so good to know environmentalists spending all their money giving me free stuff and driving around the country giving free concerts . I didn't even sign their silly petition.

 

[Rogodin2]

KMurphy

How do you plan to stay warm way up there in the Pacific NW? Making heat for populations in cold winter climates is the largest energy consumer there is.

The major part of the problem is thermal mass and solar orientation.

The house on site is situated well but not perfectly. They are actually too warm in winter/spring/fall because of the east facing windows.

I'm going to build a straw bale structure on the north side of the property with a south facing solar build with large truss hg. The foundation will be solid rammed earth with 2 400 gallon water barrels integrated into the floor. The site will have to sygnestic43 wind generators and 5 sangistem 500 watt solar pannels. The battery array is already there-along with the water tower.


With this structure there is no need for firewood.

Rogo

 

[Rogodin2]

Poopsnakes

Rogo

 

[KMurphy]

Originally posted by: Rogodin2
KMurphy

How do you plan to stay warm way up there in the Pacific NW? Making heat for populations in cold winter climates is the largest energy consumer there is.

The major part of the problem is thermal mass and solar orientation.

The house on site is situated well but not perfectly. They are actually too warm in winter/spring/fall because of the east facing windows.

I'm going to build a straw bale structure on the north side of the property with a south facing solar build with large truss hg. The foundation will be solid rammed earth with 2 400 gallon water barrels integrated into the floor. The site will have to sygnestic43 wind generators and 5 sangistem 500 watt solar pannels. The battery array is already there-along with the water tower.


With this structure there is no need for firewood.

Rogo

How safe do you think you will really be when the starving and cold masses from the cities see your humble abode?

 

[Rogodin2]

How safe do you think you will really be when the starving and cold masses from the cities see your humble abode?

The closest big city is over 200 miles away.

I live down a gravel road off a state highway that isn't traveled-I90 is 100 miles south.

I'm a pacifist-I won't own anything other than ranged rifles.

Rogo

 

[KMurphy]

Originally posted by: Rogodin2

How safe do you think you will really be when the starving and cold masses from the cities see your humble abode?

The closest big city is over 200 miles away.

I live down a gravel road off a state highway that isn't traveled-I90 is 100 miles south.

I'm a pacifist-I won't own anything other than ranged rifles.

Rogo

So you can make gunpowder? You can repair lead acid batteries (batteries are very short lived)? How do you plan to maintain the tech that will keep your house warm and restock the ammo that supplies your food? The very thing that has driven you to the outskirts of society will also be your failure. When economical oil is gone, society will collapse. If you would think about how integrated hydrocarbons are in the world today, you will see that the only way to survive when it's gone is to live like people did >200 years ago. There won't be any factories running to produce modern consumables like bullets, fuel oil, batteries, solar cells, blankets, etc. You seem to think you have prepared for the worst, but yet you quote things available today to get you through. This will not be the case.

 

[Rogodin2]

You seem to think you have prepared for the worst, but yet you quote things available today to get you through. This will not be the case.

I can't prepare for the worst because only a hunter'gatherer could make it through that state of the republic.

I plan on riding it out as long as I can-creating a home for the rest of my family.

I'm learning metal and leather working, basic medicine and permaculture.

Most of these skills will allow me to procure what I'm not able to make/create, like batteries.

You're being negative in your thought process.

Rogo

 

[Rogodin2]

I won't have to eat meat, my garden will suffice-and I don't have to worry about heating/cooling my home as I've designed it.

Rogo

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Yeah, because that's a non-biased source :roll:

No one knows how much oil is available under the earth. You'd incredibly naive to think that every possible ounce has been tapped at this point.

Hitting the peak doesn't mean that all oil production afterwards just abruptly stops. The cost of extraction will continue to rise. We've found most of the easiest deposits. Now we've got to look for it in less profitable places.
We might as well say that hydrocarbon fuels won't run out for 50,000 years - Saturn's moon Titan is covered with a variety of hydrocarbons. We'd almost never run out. Sure it's expensive as hell to get it, but apparently that doesn't factor into most people's thinking with respect to peak oil.

 

[tfinch2]

Just got back from home depot. Now all the bulbs in my house are CFLs, and it only cost 4 dollars to replace all of them. :thumbsup:

 

[compman25]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: KMurphy
I have just one question for Rogodin2:

How do you plan to stay warm way up there in the Pacific NW? Making heat for populations in cold winter climates is the largest energy consumer there is.

The Pacific Northwest isn't especially cold.

So -10 at night isn't cold? Or is the Pacific NW just Seattle and Portland to you?

 

[dmcowen674]

Changed every bulb we can to CFL.

Electric bill continue to go up nealry doubling every 6 months.

They recently doubled Meter Fee from $25 to $50 a month.

That is charge for just having the meter without one turn of electricity yet.

Then raised charge per KW by 3% on top of that plus doubled "Fuel charge" as well.

Monthly bill started at $90 a month last Feb with incadescent bulbs.

By August had all bulbs changed to CFL and now bill is $250 per month.

Cringing what it will be in summer heat with AC going.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: tfinch2
Hey Rogo, conserve energy and turn off your computer.

What am I going to do for Earth Day? Pick up some free CFLs from Home Depot, and replace my CRT monitor with an LCD.

Did same thing here too. No CRT's left here, Computers and TV are LCD.

Electic bill has still more than doubled.

Our KW usage on electric bill is less than half what we used to use.

 

[CellarDoor]

every day should be earth day

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: CellarDoor
every day should be earth day

QFT!



I'm old enough to remember the 60's...when Lake Erie caught on fire...when lakes, streams and rivers were choked with soap suds and high phosphates from our laundry products...we have a horrible tendency of dumping everything into the waterways...(out of sight, out of mind?) then wondering why the water isn't fit to drink...

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: compman25

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: KMurphy
I have just one question for Rogodin2:

How do you plan to stay warm way up there in the Pacific NW? Making heat for populations in cold winter climates is the largest energy consumer there is.

The Pacific Northwest isn't especially cold.

So -10 at night isn't cold? Or is the Pacific NW just Seattle and Portland to you?

Doesn't Pacific NW mean close to the Pacific?

 

[compman25]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: compman25

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: KMurphy
I have just one question for Rogodin2:

How do you plan to stay warm way up there in the Pacific NW? Making heat for populations in cold winter climates is the largest energy consumer there is.

The Pacific Northwest isn't especially cold.

So -10 at night isn't cold? Or is the Pacific NW just Seattle and Portland to you?

Doesn't Pacific NW mean close to the Pacific?

No. Look here for a definition PNW. Even Idaho is part of it.

 

[tfinch2]

Got a Samsung 206BW 20" widescreen LCD today to replace my dinosaur 17" CRT

WOW.

 

[daveymark]

grabbed some free CFL's from home depot and walmart

 

[Rogodin2]

There is a carrying capaicity of our earth.

We're a few billion beyond it. Die-Off will happen.

Rogo