Eating lunch banned, don't want to upset the Muslims

[Vonkhan]

I've observed Ramadan since I was 11 ... never had a problem with others eating around me whether at school or at work.

If you're so weak that you can't handle the sight of food near you while you're fasting, that's pretty pathetic.

You're supposed to fast AND carry on your regular day to day activities, ceteris paribus.

Total bs

 

[magomago]

Bwahahahahah. Total idiocy xD.
I've fasted since a child - but haven't been able to fast in college; failing an entire quarter of midterms shows that my brain needs food to be able to function in a study mode -- otherwise i just kinda chill and play CS all day long xD because I don't have the energy for anything else

HOWEVER this is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard of, and I wonder if the "Muslim Community at large" was even discussed with this...or if it was just the consulting firm (I've always believed consultants acheive very little of substance whille charging a lot )

I've never had an issue with this at all. In grade school me and a few other kids got an exception to go to the Library and we would just read and occaisonally play In Junior High I'd just sit at a table and talk to the others while they were eating. In highschool we'd sit in the computer lab/ library coding for fun, or visiting maddox's website, or just shooting the breeze.

If a person chooses not to eat in front of me - well then that is respect. Because I haven't fasted during Ramadan I simply won't eat or drink in frotn of any Muslim friends because taht is the respect I show for them. Fasting isn't the hardest thing in the world to achieve, but there is a level of discpline that I see as respected.

So before we yell at the Muslms and talk about actually making offensive remarks to them with Pork -- figure out if the entire even CARES about this as an issue..because I really wonder what is the main motivator in this case.

You want to know what is more realistic? In the workplace - WITHOUT any government control - just ask that if you have a Muslim colleague, try to refrain (during ramadan of course) from walking into his cubicle talking about how good that philly cheese steak is while you down a soda. That doesn't mean to throw your food under the table if he walks by... It may not make much of a difference to him physically, but like ANY person we all appreciate the small things that people do for us.

 

[kage69]

You guys that have carefully read the article are right it wasn't a muslim who asked for this, here is the Scottsman who lobbied for this.

Meem employees did not "lobby" for it, they produced the guidelines used at the behest of the NHS boards. And for the record, Na'eem Raza's nationality and religion are not provided in the article.

Which conclusion will you jump to now?

 

[Mursilis]

When I used to work food service, I was friends with a couple of Kurds who were practicing Muslims. They observed Ramadan, but continued to work in the kitchen, preparing meals and serving others, etc. How they maintained their fast while working in a kitchen is beyond me, but I admired their fortitude.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Maybe the U.K. should just declare that from now on the nation will be governed by Sharia law and get it over with.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: kage69

You guys that have carefully read the article are right it wasn't a muslim who asked for this, here is the Scottsman who lobbied for this.

Meem employees did not "lobby" for it, they produced the guidelines used at the behest of the NHS boards. And for the record, Na'eem Raza's nationality and religion are not provided in the article.

Which conclusion will you jump to now?

That's why you don't judge an article on its face alone, especially on the internet but research the individuals and organizations behind it, and jump to conclusions.

 

[kage69]

That's why you don't judge an article on its face alone, especially on the internet but research the individuals and organizations behind it, and jump to conclusions.

Which is why you didn't cite said research and instead quoted the original article in all of it's vagueness? This must be you back-peddling, because it sure isn't you having a point. Still doesn't touch on why you tried to frame the employee as being a lobbyist, which kinda undermines your intent to prove that is was disgruntled muslim sentiment that preempted this story. Newsflash: wink icons do not an argument make.

Least you got the Scotsman part right, he was born in Scotland and has lived there his whole life. Whether or not you were being facetious, likely given your emphasis on his name, well I don't know.

One thing's for sure, I feel he has cause for concern. An excerpt from an article he wrote for the BBC...

I recall being invited to a Catholic conference recently; Father Gordian Marshall and I ran a workshop on "dialogue in Scripture".

The workshops were packed out and people left aghast at the similarities between Islam and Christianity, furthermore the reverence Islam affords Jesus and his beloved mother, Mary (Peace be upon them both).

In fact there is a chapter in the Qur'an dedicated to Mary and she is described as the best woman God created.

My wife was born in the Gorbals, Glasgow. A few years ago she decided to wear the hijab (headscarf). Suddenly everyone spoke to her very slowly.

At any meeting and while shopping, people would speak to me but look at her! She speaks with a broad Glaswegian accent! Yet the hijab gave a perception that she could not even speak English! She was uncomfortable on Saturday. Everyone was looking at her... "She's one of them".

We need to educate each other, we need to get to know each other, we need to work together. No more cups of tea and smiley faces, it really is time for action.

I just don't see how 'action' like this story is going to do anything but fuel further resentment towards British Muslims.

 

[manowar821]

Well, it goes many other ways, too. Take for example how "god dammit" is censored on TV, but blood and violence is fine.

I don't care for any kind of censoring or religious political correctness, but we have a lot of other things to fix, too. It's not just Muslims who get upset when their little fairy tales get disrespected in public or in media...

 

[rchiu]

heh, so some head of the health organization (who may or may not be a Muslim) banned eating lunch at the desk out of political correctness and you see people here jumping all over Muslim?

I don't see anywhere in that news saying any Muslim asking for that rule, and in fact there are few Muslim here saying they don't mind people eating in front of them during Ramadan. so why is people here attacking Muslim for this? It's the stupidity of some bureaucrat you should be addressing, but seems like people here would complain about Muslim any chance they get.

 

[piasabird]

Maybe Muslims should just live in a cave and pray all day if they dont want to see people eating.

 

[piasabird]

I am a Mormon and believe Sunday is a holy day and when I see people going to restraunts and stores it is an insult to my beliefs. So using the Muslim Logic, I demand all stores be closed on Sunday.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: piasabird
I am a Mormon and believe Sunday is a holy day and when I see people going to restraunts and stores it is an insult to my beliefs. So using the Muslim Logic, I demand all stores be closed on Sunday.

It wasn't a Muslim's logic.

Read the article

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas


Let us vote in people who recognize it as such, and who will not abandon our Judeo-Christian heritage in the act of adopting Sharia abuse of human rights in the name of tolerance and understanding.

Men like former Missouri governor Liburn Boggs ?

Although he had done nothing to stop the illegal anti-Mormon siege of DeWitt, he now mustered 2,500 state militia to put down what he apparently perceived to be a Mormon insurrection against the state. Possibly playing on Rigdon's 4th of July sermon that talked of a "war of extermination," Boggs issued his famous Extermination Order which stated that "the Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the State if necessary for the public peace..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...he_Extermination_Order

I think part of the sacrifice is watching other people eat. Gives you more God points

 

[ChunkiMunki]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: piasabird
I am a Mormon and believe Sunday is a holy day and when I see people going to restraunts and stores it is an insult to my beliefs. So using the Muslim Logic, I demand all stores be closed on Sunday.

It wasn't a Muslim's logic.

Read the article

"The new guidance comes in the wake of the failed terror attacks on Glasgow and the death of suspect Kafeel Ahmed, 27."

"The guidance, was produced by Glasgow consultancy Meem, which advises on Muslim issues and counts the Scottish Parliament among its clients."

"Na?eem Raza, a senior consultant with the firm, said he was thrilled that the health boards had formally adopted the guidance. He added: ?The idea is to get faith in the workplace out in the open."

Apparently the mere thought of offending Muslims, and their unpredictable responses, is now dictating policy. Well-played. It's like living with a serial-killer in your own home.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Maybe Muslims should just live in a cave and pray all day if they dont want to see people eating.

Why live in a case when it would be more fun to blow up buses and subways in the name of a holy Jihad?

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: piasabird
Maybe Muslims should just live in a cave and pray all day if they dont want to see people eating.

Why live in a case when it would be more fun to blow up buses and subways in the name of a holy Jihad?

You and others should take your bigotry elsewhere if you have nothing else to add to this thread but flames!
I have to say, had it been a Muslim member posting similar insulting comments it would have got him instabanned in a nanosecond, but hey I guess you can slip with that one...I mean who can stand Muslims anyway pfft...way to go son.

 

[fallensight]

Did the stupid Euros learn nothing from WWII? The only difference is that now instead of placating the Germans they are placating the Muslims. Cant eat when it would offend them. What's next? All women in Burkas? How about forced conversion to Islam?

Give a mouse a cookie...

 

[babylon5]

Of course, banning someone else from eating their lunch is not bigotry at all.

-sigh-

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: babylon5
Of course, banning someone else from eating their lunch is not bigotry at all.

-sigh-

But "they" are not the ones actually baning anyone Mr. smartypants that's the whole thing, had you RTFA you and others would form a different position on this.

-sigh-

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: bamacre
I didn't need to prove anything. :laugh:

His own link said it all.

No it didn't, regardless of how many smilies you slap on it.

Like it or not the Western societies are far better places to live in than the backwards muslim countries, unless you are a Saudi prince or related to the royalty of Qatar.

The most obvious example is the status of women and their integration in society -- they don't have to walk around wrapped in a rug, nor worry some loving relative might be offended for some reason and make them an honor murder victim.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: kage69



Which is why you didn't cite said research and instead quoted the original article in all of it's vagueness? This must be you back-peddling, because it sure isn't you having a point. Still doesn't touch on why you tried to frame the employee as being a lobbyist, which kinda undermines your intent to prove that is was disgruntled muslim sentiment that preempted this story. Newsflash: wink icons do not an argument make.

You already accuse me of backpeddling, you know jumping to conclusions, because you won't research an article yourself or because you might not like what you see, see I can do it to, jump to conclusions that is

So I will go point by point.


When an individual or organization tries to use the state to impose ones religious beliefs on another whether its the religious right or in this case produced by the following organization I will call it out.

The guidance, which was sent round many organisations, was produced by Glasgow consultancy Meem, which advises on Muslim issues and counts the Scottish Parliament among its clients.

So who produced this guidance the health boards or Glasgow consultancy Meem?

Originally posted by: kage69 :Least you got the Scotsman part right, he was born in Scotland and has lived there his whole life. Whether or not you were being facetious, likely given your emphasis on his name, well I don't know.

Well at least your honest here and admit you don't know, I don't look at anyones name other than to use it as a reference to look into who the individual is and what he says or does.

Na?eem Raza, a senior consultant with the firm, said he was thrilled that the health boards had formally adopted the guidance.

He added: ?The idea is to get faith in the workplace out in the open.

Tell me who's guidance did the health boards adopt, their own or that provided to them by Glasgow consultancy Meem and Na?eem Raza and why is he thrilled that others will be prevented from eating at their desks?



Yet some how you come to the same conclusion I do, so what are you arguing about again?

Originally posted by: kage69
I just don't see how 'action' like this story is going to do anything but fuel further resentment towards British Muslims.

I was always told you keep religion and politics out of the workplace because all they do is cause strife and resentment regardless who is right or wrong.


And last but not least let us take your sign:

Australopithecus died for you.

There was a time when teaching about things like Australopithecus could have gotten you fired or arrested in the US, you know by the state using the guidance provided by the religious leaders of the time.

 

[kage69]

You already accuse me of backpeddling, you know jumping to conclusions, because you won't research an article yourself or because you might not like what you see, see I can do it to, jump to conclusions that is

Research an article? I wasn't the one making leaps of faith concerning someone's name, nor was I the one who tried to replace 'consultant' with 'lobbyist.' You did jump to a conclusion, you did backpeddle, and if you had done the actual research you spoke of then why wouldn't you quote it instead of just bolding the guys name? You're F.O.S.

When an individual or organization tries to use the state to impose ones religious beliefs on another whether its the religious right or in this case produced by the following organization I will call it out.

Still not fessin up like a man, and now your offering this strawman in hopes that I'll play along - nevermind my position on this issue is the same as yours. Integrity, ever heard of it?

So who produced this guidance the health boards or Glasgow consultancy Meem?

That's not a point of contention. Relevance?

Well at least your honest here and admit you don't know, I don't look at anyones name other to use it as a reference to look into who the individual is and what he says or does.

Again, you're F.O.S - your sarcasm and bolding of his name seems to indicate otherwise.

Tell me who's guidance did the health boards adopt, their own or that provided to them by Glasgow consultancy Meem and Na?eem Raza and why is he thrilled that others will be prevented from eating at their desks?

Wow, trying to make you address a valid criticism is like trying to heard cats. Here we go with more strawmen. Are you really this dense, or are these the lengths you'll go to in order to avoid admitting you spoke before you thought? Your question is already answered in the OPs article concerning Neem's role, and I believe I've already made myself quite clear about Raza himself.

Yet some how you come to the same conclusion I do, so what are you arguing about again?

I have a problem with being called out by someone stupid enough not to live up to their own call-out. The details of Raza himself are irrelevant - what is relevant is you still have yet to acknowledge you tried to paint Raza as the driving force behind this policy being adopted. You saw him being thrilled and went "Aha!"

I was always told you keep religion and politics out of the workplace because all they do is cause strife and resentment regardless who is right or wrong.

First sensible thing you've said so far, way to go. If your waiting for me to argue with that, don't hold your breath...

And last but not least let us take your sign:

*yawn* Spare us your immaterial and faulty comparisons. I'm still laughing at your other strawmen and the fact that your continuing to try and shift the context of this to make it look like I don't have a problem with that behavior. It would seem you've read my posts with the same attention to detail you used on the OP article. :laugh: Ugh, just sad...

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: kage69

You already accuse me of backpeddling, you know jumping to conclusions, because you won't research an article yourself or because you might not like what you see, see I can do it to, jump to conclusions that is

Research an article? I wasn't the one making leaps of faith concerning someone's name, nor was I the one who tried to replace 'consultant' with 'lobbyist.' You did jump to a conclusion, you did backpeddle, and if you had done the actual research you spoke of then why wouldn't you quote it instead of just bolding the guys name? You're F.O.S.

When an individual or organization tries to use the state to impose ones religious beliefs on another whether its the religious right or in this case produced by the following organization I will call it out.

Still not fessin up like a man, and now your offering this strawman in hopes that I'll play along - nevermind my position on this issue is the same as yours. Integrity, ever heard of it?

So who produced this guidance the health boards or Glasgow consultancy Meem?

That's not a point of contention. Relevance?

Well at least your honest here and admit you don't know, I don't look at anyones name other to use it as a reference to look into who the individual is and what he says or does.

Again, you're F.O.S - your sarcasm and bolding of his name seems to indicate otherwise.

Tell me who's guidance did the health boards adopt, their own or that provided to them by Glasgow consultancy Meem and Na?eem Raza and why is he thrilled that others will be prevented from eating at their desks?

Wow, trying to make you address a valid criticism is like trying to heard cats. Here we go with more strawmen. Are you really this dense, or are these the lengths you'll go to in order to avoid admitting you spoke before you thought? Your question is already answered in the OPs article concerning Neem's role, and I believe I've already made myself quite clear about Raza himself.

Yet some how you come to the same conclusion I do, so what are you arguing about again?

I have a problem with being called out by someone stupid enough not to live up to their own call-out. The details of Raza himself are irrelevant - what is relevant is you still have yet to acknowledge you tried to paint Raza as the driving force behind this policy being adopted. You saw him being thrilled and went "Aha!"

I was always told you keep religion and politics out of the workplace because all they do is cause strife and resentment regardless who is right or wrong.

First sensible thing you've said so far, way to go. If your waiting for me to argue with that, don't hold your breath...

And last but not least let us take your sign:

*yawn* Spare us your immaterial and faulty comparisons. I'm still laughing at your other strawmen and the fact that your continuing to try and shift the context of this to make it look like I don't have a problem with that behavior. It would seem you've read my posts with the same attention to detail you used on the OP article. :laugh: Ugh, just sad...

So tell me have I attacked you personaly and called you stupid or questioned whether you are a man and did you consider the fact that just because I didn't initially post the research due to time constraints ?

 

[Oric]

I live in a 95% Muslim country. I am Muslim and I eat while my friends fast. What is wrong with those Scots anyway ?

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: michaels
If this happened in the U.S. the ACLU wouldn't say a peep.

Oh bullsh!t... look up their track record on pushing back all religious crap in workplace gov't. This kinda of crap only comes from Christians that are upset because ACLU removes jebus from public property. Anti-Christian Librullls union... rah rah we want 10 commandments whether you believe in jebus on don't.