eBay just raised their fees!?!?!?!?!

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WW

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Originally posted by: MisterMe
What a sad state of affairs. One of the only truly successful companies from the dot com era that is already making millions in profits, insists on seeing how much they can gouge their users. Seems like they're taking more and more advantage of their market share - isn't that illegal?

Excellent!

/stockholder
 

maximo

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ebay is getting more ridiculous every year.... more fees..... sigh...... i might just turn to Yahoo soon.
 

ondarkness

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this is how to make it a hot deal following the others who do this already.

Starting price, .01 cent.
no reserve, free 7 day listing.
Shipping charge is the FULL total of what you expect to receive for your item.

now its a WOOT!
-but not really-
 
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Originally posted by: ondarkness
Starting price, .01 cent.
no reserve, free 7 day listing.
Shipping charge is the FULL total of what you expect to receive for your item.

How does that work? Doesn't eBay pay attention to "shipping charge abuse"--using shipping charges as a way to get around insertion fees? It seems like you can get away with it if you're selling a low-value item that isn't too hard to ship--say a unique refrigerator magnet or something like that where you could jack up the shipping cost to say $3. ($1 actual shipping costs, $2 guaranteed payment.) Can you really claim anything for shipping?

How does it work if you ask to have the seller contact you for the shipping fee?
 

ondarkness

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Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Originally posted by: ondarkness
Starting price, .01 cent.
no reserve, free 7 day listing.
Shipping charge is the FULL total of what you expect to receive for your item.

How does that work? Doesn't eBay pay attention to "shipping charge abuse"--using shipping charges as a way to get around insertion fees? It seems like you can get away with it if you're selling a low-value item that isn't too hard to ship--say a unique refrigerator magnet or something like that where you could jack up the shipping cost to say $3. ($1 actual shipping costs, $2 guaranteed payment.) Can you really claim anything for shipping?

How does it work if you ask to have the seller contact you for the shipping fee?

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The only time from my experience, and that of some friend's was when ebay was brought into the transaction due to payment problems, or non-shipping issues.

I think ebay otherwise could care less so long as in the masses they are making their $.
Also, figuring so long as this does not become the mainstream- ebay could really care less about filtering who is charging tons of shipping.

just make your wording clear and blunt on your desc as to why your prices are what they are, and that you are providing a good deal and in return you are receiving a good posting deal and if your item is a seller, it WILL sell.

:evil:
 

chowderhead

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Originally posted by: emeraldsky


what is crazy is that they charge you to put your ad up to begin
with and then charge you after you make the sale! what a ripoff!
Do you think you should just be able to post stuff on their website without paying?
Of course they want a share of the sale, after all they provide the customers.

yes I do
Although Ebay recently acquired a piece of this site.
 

Slaimus

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The problem Ebay is facing is that many people are cheating its fees by charging miniscual selling price, but a huge shipping fee. What they need to do is include shipping when determining the final fees in order to stop the abuse, instead of collecting more from everyone else.
 

jasonja

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Those BIG increases only seem to apply to Ebay stores... not the everyday seller.
 

Sheena

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I could buy the "inflation" claims but check out most increases. Most are between +50% and +100%. They would have had to not raise their prices for about 10 years and still come ahead of inflation (say 3%/yr).

I could believe a rise in operating costs by about 10% passed onto customers but not the fee hikes they're putting in. This is milking a market domination situation and greediness. I hope that they find out the market does not have that much leeway but it's true that most people won't look too closely at the fact that deals are getting progressively worse on Ebay due to Ebay getting fat on fees.

I wasn't using Yahoo for auctions but I think maybe I should now. Or at least check them out.
 

timsactown

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Yeah, it's right down scary for those increase. If you are to sell a $800 laptop, you would cost about $43 for the new ebay fee plus 3% for paypal. You will lost about $66 in total.
 

Fuzzmuncher

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May be my interpretation, but as I see it - normal users with 7-day auctions aren't affected? Only seemsa s if 10-day, buy-it-now, & stores are affected?
 

mAdMaLuDaWg

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Originally posted by: Northerner

i hope more and more people goto specialized forums like here
to post items they have for sale and put those greedy b*stards
out of business!!

Unfortunately, people on forums are generally educated about prices. Most of the time, you are going to be able to sell on eBay much higher than you will be able to sell on these forums. I've sold many things on eBay for more than the price which I bought it for. Until that changes, I'm not leaving ebay.
 

jedidrw

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Originally posted by: jasonja
Those BIG increases only seem to apply to Ebay stores... not the everyday seller.


Thats what I see, just the Ebay stores fees are increased. Only the Buy-it-Now prices are going up for everyday sellers.
 

fastcuda

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E bay was already way overpriced, and its full of spam from all the ebay stores now, they need to seperate the stores right out into their own little spam world, tired of reading the same ads all the time, and the fees are now way out of line. They do not provide any legal help, help with non paying bidders, the feedback system sucks in that if you have a legitimate reason to leave feedback the other person just gets you back like in grade school, they don't filter out low lifes, not involved with transactions at all, they just collect money for a web site, thats all.
 

stuartkahler

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so what? it's called inflation and it's too late to do much about it.
don't use thier service then.


Inflation runs about 3-4% per year. Ebay's rate hikes have been going up by about 25% per year. Also inflation cannot justify their hikes on the final value % commission. 5.25% commission raises their cut as the value of the goods sold increases.

This is simple market gouging, and Ebay is the Microsoft of the auction world. It's difficult to go elsewhere, because other auctioners have less bidders. Your items sell for less.

The only way we'll see listing and commission fees get reasonable, is if someone like google creates a search engine that can go through multiple sites (ebay, yahoo, epier, etc) and give you all of the search results from everyone. Then true competition will be possible in the online auction marketplace.

Incidentally, I quit selling on Ebay about 2 years ago. I had 1000+ feedback with 100% positive, but was tired of their crap. Ebay is a terrible place to make money unless your only other option is a garage sale.
 

chuckieshere

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Inflation does not apply to ebay, for the most part, since they mostly charge a percentage of the selling price. Thus, it already takes inflation into account. If inflation causes selling prices to double, ebay makes double as well. Any increase of their commission percentages is just plain price gouging as a monopoly.

Since they can obviously get away with it...I wonder if I should buy some ebay stock....
 

corinthos

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eBay won't even remove negative or neutral feedbacks that aren't justified, even if the person who leaves that feedback later agrees it was a mistake. Apparently it's their policy not to touch feedbacks at all unless they get a court order, regardless of reason... not really fair to sellers who work hard to maintain a good rating. Between that and the big chunk of change they take from the site and through PayPal, I'm hoping Yahoo's auction site or some other place eventually gives them some competition so they'll be more responsive to their customers and lower their fees.
 

esquared

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Originally posted by: stuartkahler
so what? it's called inflation and it's too late to do much about it.
don't use thier service then.


Inflation runs about 3-4% per year. Ebay's rate hikes have been going up by about 25% per year. Also inflation cannot justify their hikes on the final value % commission. 5.25% commission raises their cut as the value of the goods sold increases.


You have no idea what you are talking about. I started selling on eBay in Oct 1998. Their seller's final value fees were:

$0.1 to 25.00 - 5% of the closing value
25.01 to 1000 - 5% of the 25.00 and 2.5% up to 1000.00
1000.01 and above - 5% of 25.00 2.5% of 25.01 to 1,000.00 and 1.25% of value above 1,000.00

Since then (over 7 years) there was ONE price increase on final value sellers fees.


Current Insertion Fees
Starting or Reserve Price Insertion Fee
$0.01 - $0.99 $0.30
$1.00 - $9.99 $0.35
$10.00 - $24.99 $0.60
$25.00 - $49.99 $1.20
$50.00 - $199.99 $2.40
$200.00 - $499.99 $3.60
$500.00 or more $4.80
Final Value Fees
Closing Price Final Value Fee
Item not sold No Fee
$0.01 - $25.00 5.25% of the closing value
$25.01 - $1,000.00 5.25% of the initial $25.00 ($1.31), plus 2.75% of the remaining closing value balance ($25.01 to $1,000.00)
Over $1,000.01 5.25% of the initial $25.00 ($1.31), plus 2.75% of the initial $25.00 - $1,000.00 ($26.81), plus 1.50% of the remaining closing value balance ($1,000.01 - closing value)


Here is what eBay started out with in 1996 as far as fees for sellers:

Interesting little historical factoids about the eBay of 1996

First fees - final value fees- were introduced in February. (Pierre called them "listing fees"). Users were required to pay 5% up to $25 and then 2.5% thereafter.

Insertion fees were added in May. The first attempt was a flat $1.00 insertion fee, which due to "extreme member displeasure", lasted about 10 days. The community felt the $1 fee was killing low-value items and they let Pierre know it by their posts on the bulletin board (see below). In response, a sliding scale was adopted of 10 cents up to $1.00.

AuctionWeb hosted 28,000 listings



This I found was fees from 1998:

Opening Value or Reserve Price Insertion Fee
$0.01-$9.99 $0.25
$10.00-$24.99 $0.50
$25.00-$49.99 $1.00
$50.00 and up $2.00
Cars, Trucks, and RVs $25.00 fixed
Real Estate $50.00 fixed

FINAL VALUE FEES (also from 1998)
When the auction is over for the item in which you are selling, you will be charged a Final Value Fee based on the final value of your item. If you sell an item that is expensive, you can charge up a hefty fee by selling it over this site. The only fixed fees are if you are selling a car, truck, or RV then the seller pays a flat rate of $25.00. If one is selling real estate then there is no final value fee. For all other items the Final Value Fee is as follows: 5% of the amount of the high bid up to $25.00, PLUS 2.5% of the part of the high bid from $25.01 up to $1,000, PLUS 1.25% of the remaining amount of the high bid that is greater than $1,000.




Regular Sellers fees are not going up anyway except for the Buy it Now fees, the Gallery fee and the 10 day listing fee. Insertion fees and final value fees are not increasing. The bulk of the increases are for the eBay stores, which I think is too bad but does not affect most of the sellers on eBay.

The insertion fees have gone up a couple of time since Oct 1998 but not 25%/year. Read this in 2001 eBay had their first increase in 4 years Bizjournal If you're going to make a claim like 25% a year increase, back it up with facts and not fantasy.
 

jpeyton

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http://www.nolistingday.com

http://www.wagglepop.com

WagglePop will be an interesting venture; basic listings are free, so I'm going to list a few BIN type auctions using spare change and see if they sell through. I have nothing to lose, but if they do sell, WagglePop's fees are a whopping 10% to 30% of what eBay charges.
 

jmunjr

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With a name like "Wagglepop" we can all be assured this venture won't be successful..

Originally posted by: jpeyton
http://www.nolistingday.com

http://www.wagglepop.com

WagglePop will be an interesting venture; basic listings are free, so I'm going to list a few BIN type auctions using spare change and see if they sell through. I have nothing to lose, but if they do sell, WagglePop's fees are a whopping 10% to 30% of what eBay charges.

 
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