Ebolagate 2014.

Newell Steamer

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Smoblikat

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Breitbart.com...................

Please tell me there is also a video of Alex Jones raging abut it too
 

Smoblikat

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Are you doubting the validity of Center for Immigration Studies Director of Policy Studies Jessica Vaughan??


No, im doubting breitbart.com.

Do you have a link to the article from the center for Immigration Studies Director of Policy Studies Jessica Vaughan?
 

Newell Steamer

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No, im doubting breitbart.com.

Do you have a link to the article from the center for Immigration Studies Director of Policy Studies Jessica Vaughan?

Just to be clear; I think this (Vaughn's claim) is a load of crap.

And, to answer your question; not I don't,.. and I won't care to find it - again, I think it's crap.
 

rudder

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The problem is Liberia operates their exit questionnaire on the honor system.
 

Cr0nJ0b

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The problem is Liberia operates their exit questionnaire on the honor system.

What other system would be feasible? If not the honor system, you would need some form of proof and substantiation that you haven't been in contact with the disease...I don't think that would be feasible, do you?

From what I've read, the individual purposely lied on the document. He knew he had contact with a very sick individual and didn't report it. He's a bad man.

The only real solution would be to lock down travel from that country, but then people would just hop around from Liberia to another country for a day or two and book a trip from there...and again they would have to lie about where they came from originally. It would slow things down, but not stop it entirely.

Personally, I think this is all going to blow over in a few months. It will be absolutely horrific for the folks in the effected countries. They will lose the majority of their healthcare infrastructure and lots of people will die, but it will be over and a memory by this time next year.

I'm really interested in the US military response that Obama proposed. I heard about it early on, but haven't seen much since. If we send ground troops over there what would they do? How would they be protected?
 

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The Center for Immigration Studies is a right-wing "think tank", not surprised to see them on breitbart.
From wiki:
Media reports have questioned the accuracy of its factual assertions and its claim to nonpartisanship and noted its ties to extremist groups
 

Vic

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Because professing a belief in small government, and then blaming the government for every single little thing, are completely compatible behaviors.
 
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Because professing a belief in small government, and then blaming the government for every single little thing, are completely compatible behaviors.

It's logically consistent. If I believe that government is behind every single bad thing that happens, I'm going to want to make them as small and powerless as possible to limit the amount of damage they can do. Sure, it might be baseless paranoia driving the pursuit of that goal, but it's not wildly illogical.
 

Vic

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It's logically consistent. If I believe that government is behind every single bad thing that happens, I'm going to want to make them as small and powerless as possible to limit the amount of damage they can do. Sure, it might be baseless paranoia driving the pursuit of that goal, but it's not wildly illogical.

I appreciate your ability to see their perspective, but... logically, blame assumes fault, fault can include negligence, and so the failure to act is just as damning as acting improperly. So if one's goal is to make government as small and powerless as possible to limit the amount of damage it can do, then the blame being assigned here is pretty fracking illogical. Now, if one's goal is not that, then it makes perfect sense.
 

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It's like banning contraception and then refusing to provide any welfare to the parents once baby is born. A typical far-right wing attitude. It is indeed hilarious that they demand the government do something for them. I thought they believed in self.. something. It was not long ago they told us that we should leave dying people on the street if they can't pay for their medical expenses. (Imagine people were dying on the street of this disease!)
 

IGBT

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President Ebola doesn't care about public safety or health. Maybe he will when his golf caddy starts barfing Ebola guts all over the green.
 

senseamp

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Seems like a big problem for Medicaid non-expander small government states. How are they going to pay for screening and treatment in case of Ebola outbreak? Ask the Federal government for a handout?
 

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On the bright side: Now that Ebola is threatening the western world and is looking to become a permanent feature of the human population (due to it being largely ignored by the western word)... which is "bright sided" because it means we'll likely see a vaccine in the future.

Great Democracy Now interview:
LAURIE GARRETT: And we either find a way to mobilize on a scale unprecedented in modern time for epidemic response, or we will be looking at something like a quarter-million cases by Christmas.

AMY GOODMAN: What would that mobilization look like?

LAURIE GARRETT: Well, look, a hell of a lot more than what we’re doing. I mean, first of all, let’s back up. You know, supposedly, the United States military is building a 25-bed hospital in Monrovia for the care of infected healthcare workers. Supposedly, the British government is building a 68-bed hospital in Freetown, Sierra Leone, for care of healthcare workers and the acutely infected. Supposedly, France is sending 40 people—we’re not even sure what exact skill set they have. But all of this, I say "supposedly," because a commitment on paper does not equal rapid action. I was at the Department of Defense last week, and it turns out, to mobilize a 25-bed facility—by the way, unstaffed; they’re not going to staff it, but they’ll be there, there will be beds—that takes 50 days—five-oh. So we’ll be well into October before that facility is even there. And as fast as hospital beds are being erected, whether it’s just a cot in a tent or what it may be, they’re overfull, and they’re turning people away outside. So, the nature of the response is so far behind the virus, so far behind the scale of need, that it’s almost impossible to quantify how we really do need to respond.

NERMEEN SHAIKH: And one of your recent pieces, in fact, is called "We Could Have Stopped This." So, could you explain what you say in that piece?

LAURIE GARRETT: Back, back, if we had had a response that was to scale in March, April, May, June, as this was growing and spreading and festering, but largely remained a rural epidemic in Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia, MSF, the Doctors Without Borders organization, and a handful of other nongovernmental responders were having a decent capacity to handle the caseload. What wasn’t going on was the local governments doing the case contacting, meaning identify—you have a person here in the hospital bed. Let’s find all their family members and test them. Let’s see where they were in prior days, who might have been exposed, and let’s get these people in quarantine and observe them, test them and make sure they don’t spread it. Nobody was doing that.

NERMEEN SHAIKH: And that didn’t happen because in these places they didn’t have the capacity? Or are you suggesting—

LAURIE GARRETT: They didn’t have capacity, and the international response was zippo. WHO was like, "Zzzz, excuse me, wait. Did somebody say there’s an epidemic? Uh, because we’re really busy over here, you know, talking about how to normalize care of heart disease."
 

MongGrel

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President Ebola doesn't care about public safety or health. Maybe he will when his golf caddy starts barfing Ebola guts all over the green.

President Ebola ?

Seriously, this CDB thing gets worse on a daily basis.

If Dubya were still there, he'd be reading books to school kids and scratching his head still.

That or Cheney would be down there shooting em in the face with birdshot, but maybe because it is in Texas there is some master plan it might hit the ranch down there.

 
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Over the past 31 years the average yearly flu related deaths in the United States averaged just over 23,000/year.

Over the past 10 years the average is almost 33,000 deaths.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/201...rage-fluctuates-depending-on-how-you-slice-it

Over the past year (when the latest outbreak started) it's estimated that there have been approx. 3500 deaths from Ebola in the countries experiencing the outbreak with a total of around 7500 identified cases.

http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/135765/1/roadmapupdate3oct14_eng.pdf?ua=1


Oh, what to worry about, what to worry about?
 

MongGrel

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Over the past 31 years the average yearly flu related deaths in the United States averaged just over 23,000/year.

Over the past 10 years the average is almost 33,000 deaths.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/201...rage-fluctuates-depending-on-how-you-slice-it

Over the past year (when the latest outbreak started) it's estimated that there have been approx. 3500 deaths from Ebola in the countries experiencing the outbreak with a total of around 7500 identified cases.

http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/135765/1/roadmapupdate3oct14_eng.pdf?ua=1


Oh, what to worry about, what to worry about?

Flu isn't Ebola if it goes rampant.

I'd bet you those estimates atm are way low.

I'm not paranoid, I'm a realist.
 
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