Econ Professor Blasts Marines

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: K1052

I am thankful people like you were not in running our foreign affairs in the 1939 - 1941. Failure to act militarily against Japan and Germany would have resulted in the opposite of your stated goals.

South Korea had no intrest in becoming part of a Communist nation. Economics and politics usually go hand in hand. What was the result of our intervention? South Korea became one of stongest economies in Asia and in turn an advanced first world nation.

I didn't say that the U.S. shouldn't have attacked Japan and Germany. The U.S. was directly attacked by Japan, thus justifying retaliation.

As for South Korea, we have now created a situation where we send billions of tax dollars over there in the form of military welfare. This is simply wrong, nations should take care of their own affairs and the U.S. cannot be the defender against all atrocities. Is communism bad? Of course, I hate communism. But meddling in the affairs of other nations and stopping all that is bad in the world is not only impossible, but it ties the U.S. up in activities that are counterproductive to our own prosperity.

We more or less caused Japan to attack us by cutting off badly needed steel and oil destined for military use in Asia.

South Korea does pay for their native forces. The bases we maintain over there are for their protection and for us to have a continued military presence in an important part of the world. Eventually all the US bases in Japan will be given up.

Why does the U.S. need to have continued presence in any part of the world? Why have we become the world's policemen? Every other country seems to be able to pretty much keep to itself, with the exception of some U.S. "allies."

Just like the USSR kept to itself in Eastern Europe and Afganistan? At times there are people in the world who will take whatever they are able to at any cost. Lots of nations stay in within their lines because of the U.S. and its allies.

Our presence alone saves lives. North Korea won't attack the South because we are there. China won't attack Taiwan because they know the U.S. won't stand for it and has assets in the area. North Korea will never attack Japan because of the U.S. close US -Japan relationship and military presence there.

Uh huh, and in order to achieve these "goals" the U.S. needs a defense budget greater than the defense budgets of the next 20 countries combined? Give me a break.

Here is an article for you to read.

 

[Painman]

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Here is an article for you to read.

:thumbsup:

 

[K1052]

Uh huh, and in order to achieve these "goals" the U.S. needs a defense budget greater than the defense budgets of the next 20 countries combined? Give me a break.

Here is an article for you to read.

Well, it is nice to know isolationism is still alive and well.

1. The U.S. has already withdrawn from the ABM treaty.

2. It is very likely that most U.S. forces for NATO will be moved from bases in Western Europe to the new NATO members in Eastern Europe.

3. If Russia undergoes anther revolution it would be extremely helpful to have NATO still around. Russia's
government is still not the most stable and their internal problems could spill over.

4. Ever since global trade became a nessecity, our "Founding Fathers' idea of an America free from entanglement in perpetual overseas squabbles.. " is no longer possible unless they desired us to become the world's doormat. Hell, even they could not remain unentangled. Furthermore, American forces and funds have been used to prevent the takeover of nations by Communists., who would have ruled a large percentage of the world if not for American intervention.

It is also important to remember you can just take and army apart and expect it to come back together when you really need it on short notice. Training and manufacturing takes time. Starting in 1940 FDR had enough vision to push for increased troop strenghts that had been allowed to fall to dismal levels in the years after WWI. The U.S. was not ready to attempt a major invasion for two and a half more years.

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: K1052

Uh huh, and in order to achieve these "goals" the U.S. needs a defense budget greater than the defense budgets of the next 20 countries combined? Give me a break.

Here is an article for you to read.

Well, it is nice to know isolationism is still alive and well.

1. The U.S. has already withdrawn from the ABM treaty.

2. It is very likely that most U.S. forces for NATO will be moved from bases in Western Europe to the new NATO members in Eastern Europe.

3. If Russia undergoes anther revolution it would be extremely helpful to have NATO still around. Russia's
government is still not the most stable and their internal problems could spill over.

4. Ever since global trade became a nessecity, our "Founding Fathers' idea of an America free from entanglement in perpetual overseas squabbles.. " is no longer possible unless they desired us to become the world's doormat. Hell, even they could not remain unentangled. Furthermore, American forces and funds have been used to prevent the takeover of nations by Communists., who would have ruled a large percentage of the world if not for American intervention.

It is also important to remember you can just take and army apart and expect it to come back together when you really need it on short notice. Training and manufacturing takes time. Starting in 1940 FDR had enough vision to push for increased troop strenghts that had been allowed to fall to dismal levels in the years after WWI. The U.S. was not ready to attempt a major invasion for two and a half more years.

That was 1940. Today we have F-22's, F-117's, Tomahawks, and other long-range methods of destruction which can essentially more than soften up defenses and only send a smaller number of troops in to mop up. Honestly, with the precision of today's munitions do you think D-Day would incur such a large # of deaths?

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: K1052

Uh huh, and in order to achieve these "goals" the U.S. needs a defense budget greater than the defense budgets of the next 20 countries combined? Give me a break.

Here is an article for you to read.

Well, it is nice to know isolationism is still alive and well.

Ending military welfare that costs billions of taxpayer dollars a year is not isolationism. Isolationism is cutting off trade, which I am against. Unfortunately, the bureaucrats in office are against free trade, hence the huge number of regulations and tariffs that have been imposed on imported goods.

Therefore, what we have now is a welfare-warfare state with isolationism to boot. Do you honestly believe this is a good thing? If you do, I want to know what you are smoking.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: K1052

Uh huh, and in order to achieve these "goals" the U.S. needs a defense budget greater than the defense budgets of the next 20 countries combined? Give me a break.

Here is an article for you to read.

Well, it is nice to know isolationism is still alive and well.

1. The U.S. has already withdrawn from the ABM treaty.

2. It is very likely that most U.S. forces for NATO will be moved from bases in Western Europe to the new NATO members in Eastern Europe.

3. If Russia undergoes anther revolution it would be extremely helpful to have NATO still around. Russia's
government is still not the most stable and their internal problems could spill over.

4. Ever since global trade became a nessecity, our "Founding Fathers' idea of an America free from entanglement in perpetual overseas squabbles.. " is no longer possible unless they desired us to become the world's doormat. Hell, even they could not remain unentangled. Furthermore, American forces and funds have been used to prevent the takeover of nations by Communists., who would have ruled a large percentage of the world if not for American intervention.

It is also important to remember you can just take and army apart and expect it to come back together when you really need it on short notice. Training and manufacturing takes time. Starting in 1940 FDR had enough vision to push for increased troop strenghts that had been allowed to fall to dismal levels in the years after WWI. The U.S. was not ready to attempt a major invasion for two and a half more years.

That was 1940. Today we have F-22's, F-117's, Tomahawks, and other long-range methods of destruction which can essentially more than soften up defenses and only send a smaller number of troops in to mop up. Honestly, with the precision of today's munitions do you think D-Day would incur such a large # of deaths?

We have been very lucky not to have regularly fought a ground wars against a large, determined, well equipped, and tactically proficent army very often in recent history.

Our aircraft fleet strength is a mere fraction of what it was at the end of WWII. The F22 is not even in production yet and is faced with possible termination by Congress. Even now out munitions stores are low because few orders had been placed for bombs, ammo, etc in the last 10 years. It takes time for the plants to get back up to speed. Most guided munitions are nothing more than a package intalled on a gravity bomb.

Having airbases abroad that are equiped to handle American combat aircraft and logistics is also helpful.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: K1052

Uh huh, and in order to achieve these "goals" the U.S. needs a defense budget greater than the defense budgets of the next 20 countries combined? Give me a break.

Here is an article for you to read.

Well, it is nice to know isolationism is still alive and well.

Ending military welfare that costs billions of taxpayer dollars a year is not isolationism. Isolationism is cutting off trade, which I am against. Unfortunately, the bureaucrats in office are against free trade, hence the huge number of regulations and tariffs that have been imposed on imported goods.

Therefore, what we have now is a welfare-warfare state with isolationism to boot. Do you honestly believe this is a good thing? If you do, I want to know what you are smoking.

Nice. By that definition you would let the world burn if we still had good trade relations and were making money. All nations use their trade laws to their advantage. If everyone dosen't play by the same rules then the game is useless.

 

[eigen]

Wermacht heroes.



"thousands died from disease, starvation, and brutal treatment. In Serbia, in the fall of 1941, German army (Wehrmacht) firing squads killed almost the entire adult male Romani population, alongside most adult male Jews, in retaliation for the killing of German soldiers by Serbian resistance fighters."

Taken from...


"Kiev was under the sphere of operation of Einsatzgruppe C. In the first days of the German occupation, the Jews were persecuted and humiliated in a spontaneous, non-organized manner. On the 24th of September, a series of strong explosions struck the old center of Kiev. Before abandoning the city, the Soviet secret police agency (NKVD) had mined all the culturally important sites. The explosions continued for several days and many German officers and soldiers were killed or injured.
High ranking SS and Wermacht officers participated in a special meeting and decided to exterminate all the Jews in the city as punishment and revenge for these acts '
Taken from...


HAIL the romantized notion of war I hold and hail the heroic Wermacht (not Nazi soldiers).Please i beg of you oh tool that is alchemize, please defend your heroes. They are crying from their grave for honor.


I am fully aware of the einsatzgruppen and the "clean up role" they functioned in.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: K1052

Uh huh, and in order to achieve these "goals" the U.S. needs a defense budget greater than the defense budgets of the next 20 countries combined? Give me a break.

Here is an article for you to read.

Well, it is nice to know isolationism is still alive and well.

Ending military welfare that costs billions of taxpayer dollars a year is not isolationism. Isolationism is cutting off trade, which I am against. Unfortunately, the bureaucrats in office are against free trade, hence the huge number of regulations and tariffs that have been imposed on imported goods.

Therefore, what we have now is a welfare-warfare state with isolationism to boot. Do you honestly believe this is a good thing? If you do, I want to know what you are smoking.

Nice. By that definition you would let the world burn if we still had good trade relations and were making money. All nations use their trade laws to their advantage. If everyone dosen't play by the same rules then the game is useless.

I think the world can handle itself, it has been doing so for thousands of years. We need to focus on our problems domestically. The number one problem here today is the size of government which is WAY out of control.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: K1052

Uh huh, and in order to achieve these "goals" the U.S. needs a defense budget greater than the defense budgets of the next 20 countries combined? Give me a break.

Here is an article for you to read.

Well, it is nice to know isolationism is still alive and well.

Ending military welfare that costs billions of taxpayer dollars a year is not isolationism. Isolationism is cutting off trade, which I am against. Unfortunately, the bureaucrats in office are against free trade, hence the huge number of regulations and tariffs that have been imposed on imported goods.

Therefore, what we have now is a welfare-warfare state with isolationism to boot. Do you honestly believe this is a good thing? If you do, I want to know what you are smoking.

Nice. By that definition you would let the world burn if we still had good trade relations and were making money. All nations use their trade laws to their advantage. If everyone dosen't play by the same rules then the game is useless.

I think the world can handle itself, it has been doing so for thousands of years. We need to focus on our problems domestically. The number one problem here today is the size of government which is WAY out of control.

We are always going to have domestic problems, usually throwing more to them solves nothing. I would agree that government bloat and interference, on every level, has become a real problem. I have seen this firsthand and will likely run into it in the future as well. The current political machine needs a real overhaul.

 

[Zephyr106]

The explosions continued for several days and many German officers and soldiers were killed or injured. High ranking SS and Wermacht officers participated in a special meeting and decided to exterminate all the Jews in the city as punishment and revenge for these acts '

Absolute military brilliance. We should have done this in Falluja. Thank you for highlighting more exploits of our heroes.

:beer:

Zephyr