Edge of Tomorrow

[Skyclad1uhm1]

I think the problem is whenever Tom Cruise is cast in a movie all they do is emphasize Tom Cruise. What is the movie about? Who the fuck knows? But Tom Cruise! Jack Reacher was a great example of that. It was a pretty decent flick, but all I knew about it before I watched it was Tom Cruise drives a muscle car.

That's the reason I hate most of his movies. The focus is very annoying, and the only reason why this movie is ok is because of the first 2/3rd of the movie. The ending is predictable and not great, which is normal with his movies.

 

[KeithTalent]

Loved it. Tommy was awesome as always and Emily Blunt was fucking excellent.

KT

 

[Harabec]

I liked it quite a bit, like most of Cruise's movies.

What is the movie about? Who the fuck knows? But Tom Cruise!

Damn you, I literally LOLed and almost spilled my coffee.

 

[Spacehead]

hence the name change to "live, die, repeat",

No wonder i couldn't find Edge of Tomorrow in the video store. No idea they changed the name.

 

[DigDog]

best film of the year

 

[JujuFish]

It was the most enjoyable big-budget movie I've seen in a few years (though, admittedly, I don't watch a lot of movies).

 

[rumpleforeskin]

Was not expecting much but turned out to be a real good watch except...

Spoiler

The ending broke the rules set up in the movie. Either cage and the Omega should have died and then the day repeats with him retaining the memories of the event, or Cage and the Omega both die and the day does not repeat but humanity is saved.

Having the the day repeat with the aliens dead makes no sense and was a cheap effort at making a forced happy ending. The film honestly would have been more enjoyable had Cage made the sacrifice.

 

[TheSlamma]

I usually see Cruise movies in the theater, none of them are ever anything amazing but they are always good for action since he always plays the same guy.

Jack Reacher, Mission Impossible, Edge of Tomorrow and Oblivion. Same guy, fun action

 

[gorcorps]

This is the type of stuff that's worth bringing up when people whine about Hollywood only making sequels and remakes. Here's a very good original movie and not very many bothered to see it. Where's the incentive for making such movies in the future then?

I'll bet Mission Impossible 17 will do great though

 

[PricklyPete]

Emily Blunt...yum.

 

[Linux23]

They have some cool facts about the movie on imdb. It didn't flop but it wasn't a huge blockbuster either. I'm not a fan of Cruise to be honest so wasn't set on seeing this movie in theaters in the first place but was pleasantly surprised at how entertained I was and he really did a good job. May have to check out the new MI in theaters when it's out.

 

[Linux23]

I usually see Cruise movies in the theater, none of them are ever anything amazing but they are always good for action since he always plays the same guy.

Jack Reacher, Mission Impossible, Edge of Tomorrow and Oblivion. Same guy, fun action

I think he was different in this flick. He wasn't a hero by any stretch. He originally was a coward and was trying to escape being arrested. I actually liked his character in this flick because he evolved into a hero.

 

[poofyhairguy]

It made $369 mil world wide against its $178 mil budget. It was neither a box office flop nor a box office hit.

It didn't do well enough to greenlight a sequel, which means it is a flop in modern times.

I am happy it flopped. I like the first two thirds or so of the movie well enough, but honestly a sequel would have sucked and it would have been SUPER annoying watching other action movies copy the respawn concept. We got just enough awesomeness in what it was. The way the slow-mo scenes in the Matrix have been copied/abused since then tells me that sometimes you don't want what you like to succeed.

 

[Linux23]

Was not expecting much but turned out to be a real good watch except...

Spoiler

The ending broke the rules set up in the movie. Either cage and the Omega should have died and then the day repeats with him retaining the memories of the event, or Cage and the Omega both die and the day does not repeat but humanity is saved.

Having the the day repeat with the aliens dead makes no sense and was a cheap effort at making a forced happy ending. The film honestly would have been more enjoyable had Cage made the sacrifice.

i'm still trying to figure out the ending. the math just is not adding up in my brain.

 

[TXHokie]

i'm still trying to figure out the ending. the math just is not adding up in my brain.

Pfffth - I'm still working on "there is no spoon".
This was a good surprise movie for me too - plenty of action, humor, scifi, hot chick that can kick some a**, and sh** gets blown up...what's not to like.

 

[WelshBloke]

i'm still trying to figure out the ending. the math just is not adding up in my brain.

The ending was shitty, try not to think about it.

 

[Bock]

Yeah, the ending was a letdown. Prior to that, fantastic movie.

 

[Aikouka]

Was not expecting much but turned out to be a real good watch except...

Spoiler

Having the the day repeat with the aliens dead makes no sense and was a cheap effort at making a forced happy ending. The film honestly would have been more enjoyable had Cage made the sacrifice.

The movie is based off a Japanese novel, so it's interesting to see where they diverted. As you can probably guess, the end was heavily altered. From what I read on Wikipedia, in the book,

Spoiler

the two main characters have to face off because the day will continue to repeat as long as the both of them are living (i.e. one must die). Tom Cruise's character kills Emily Blunt's character, and ends up being exonerated for her murder.

I'm not sure if the book's ending translates well to screen. I don't know if this makes sense, but it feels more like an ending that I'd expect in a Japanese novel. Although, I do think that they did a poor job creating a good ending for the movie. I know we've debated what happened quite a bit in the other thread for this movie.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

The movie is based off a Japanese novel, so it's interesting to see where they diverted. As you can probably guess, the end was heavily altered. From what I read on Wikipedia, in the book,

Spoiler

the two main characters have to face off because the day will continue to repeat as long as the both of them are living (i.e. one must die). Tom Cruise's character kills Emily Blunt's character, and ends up being exonerated for her murder.

I'm not sure if the book's ending translates well to screen. I don't know if this makes sense, but it feels more like an ending that I'd expect in a Japanese novel. Although, I do think that they did a poor job creating a good ending for the movie. I know we've debated what happened quite a bit in the other thread for this movie.

The manga ending really really sucked. It came out of absolutely nowhere and was handled extremely poorly.

The movie changed alot of things from the manga and in most cases, for the better. The ending to Edge of Tommorow was much much better.

 

[bigrash]

I thought it was a pretty good movie, but then again, my expectations going in were very low cause I hate Tom Cruise.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Was not expecting much but turned out to be a real good watch except...

Spoiler

The ending broke the rules set up in the movie. Either cage and the Omega should have died and then the day repeats with him retaining the memories of the event, or Cage and the Omega both die and the day does not repeat but humanity is saved.

Having the the day repeat with the aliens dead makes no sense and was a cheap effort at making a forced happy ending. The film honestly would have been more enjoyable had Cage made the sacrifice.

Spoiler

False dilemma imo. How about he ends up with the Omega's powers, which makes him the Omega. He even has a dead Alpha to trigger the reset, since he killed both of them. It then follows that the reset clock changes when the being possessing the Omega power changes. He killed them both before the events of the battle happen, and the new reset point is tied to him now, not the original Omega.

Hate the ending all you like, I am good with it.

 

[Ban Bot]

I really liked the movie!

Was not expecting much but turned out to be a real good watch except...

Spoiler

The ending broke the rules set up in the movie. Either cage and the Omega should have died and then the day repeats with him retaining the memories of the event, or Cage and the Omega both die and the day does not repeat but humanity is saved.

Having the the day repeat with the aliens dead makes no sense and was a cheap effort at making a forced happy ending. The film honestly would have been more enjoyable had Cage made the sacrifice.

Hint:

Spoiler

He dies on the beach but he killed the "Probe" time creature. Time rolls back 24 hours from the moment he kills the Probe and gets bleed on by the Probe (Alpha) thus taking the Probes reset ability. i.e. He goes back to being thrown into the platoon at base camp.

("Probe" (Alpha) because it isn't the "Omni Brain" time creature (Omega). The Brain sends out the Probes; if the Probe does it resets 24 hours from the moment the Probe dies and the Brain can try a new tactic as it now knows what the enemy is doing.)

He does this thousands of times.

So fast forward to the final mission. He has lost his reset ability (bleed out, thus losing the Alpha time reset blood ability) so the plan is to go BEFORE the beach mission where he keeps dying. So he leaves earlier before the mission.

So in the night BEFORE landfall of the doomed assault he kills the Brain. Key to the death is the Omni Brain leaks its blood and Cruise "steals" the blood and with it the Omni Brain ability. Time is now resetting from this point (Cruise is the Omni Brain, is dying, so it resets 24 hours from here).

Clock resets 24 hours from the point he kills the Omni Brain (Omega) and absorbs the Omni blood.

The roll back point is now to the helicopter ride BEFORE he gets sent to the front line. And now Cruise is the "Omni Brain" or whatever.

At this point a few things could have happened. A lot of things could have happened with regards to the effect of the Omni Brain timeless creatures death (i.e. it dies in the new Timeline so when Cruise reverses time it is no more because, unlike the Probes, it is not dancing in and out of new timelines but part of the meta-timeline in which it is now dead) but I like to think of it in even simpler terms: Cruise, knowing where the Brain is and in control of time, has near infinite opportunities to coordinate an attack on the Omni Brain's location (he just needs not bleed out). A single missile to that location and the brain dies forever -- because in the past when they nuked, bombed, or attacked even if the Omni Brain or Probes died time rolls back and it only needed to then relocate to avoid such the next day.

Another option is the 24 hour rule doesn't apply to the Omni Brain (just the Probes) and Cruise now has the ability to wind back time as far as he wishes. Because again, it would have only taken 1 successful attack in the past to kill the Omni Brain (it has no more rewinds) and he reverses back to such a point and the subsequent demise of the invaders.

Any way you cut it this part of the ending plays 100% by the rules:

Cruise waking up on the chopper instead of at the pre-invasion barracks.

The real question is

Spoiler

why all the aliens are dying

but that, I think, is left for the viewer to consider the timeline possibilities.

Quite frankly, I think one of the reasons the movie had a lukewarm reception was because the director did NOT force feed the audience the "solution."

Which I liked!

But I think it confused and turned off audiences. I have heard a lot of people complain the movie broke its own rules which I can only fault the director/writers for not being aware of audiences and finding a way to re-emphasize this point

Spoiler

(i.e. "So Tom, if we kill the Brain the aliens cannot reset! Shucks, we cannot reset so this is our only chance... this is a hail marry, but if we get a chance to kill a time beast steal its blood and we can reset from there instead of the beach!)

But that would have been to overt IMO, taken the wind out of what happened, and would not have left the audience sitting there going, "Wait, why is he there and why is everything changing?"

EDIT: Clarification as I forgot the exact words:

Omni Brain = Omega
Probes = Alphas

 

[blankslate]

It was very good. The ending may bother some but eh. I'll forgive it for the fun of seeing Emily Blunt pointing her sidearm at Tom Cruises head and pulling the trigger in a mini-montage.

It came out soon after Oblivion and that may have reduced the general movie audiences' appetite for another Sci-fi movie from him so soon... which was unfortunate because Edge of Tomorrow is miles better.


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[DAPUNISHER]

Good job Ban Bot.

Spoiler

Hell. full metal bitch and the scientist only put things together about the Alpha based on her experiences. So no one in the story can tell you what happens if the Omega blood gets on you. At the end of the film, you find out. :wink;

 

[Ban Bot]

Good job Ban Bot.

Spoiler

Hell. full metal bitch and the scientist only put things together about the Alpha based on her experiences. So no one in the story can tell you what happens if the Omega blood gets on you. At the end of the film, you find out. :wink;

Thanks.

Another SIMPLE solution:

Spoiler

When we see Cruise on the chopper that is NOT THE FIRST TIME HE ROLLS BACK AS THE OMEGA OMNI BRAIN. i.e. Cruise rolled back and tried a few ways to kill the Omega from the chopper restart point.

e.g. he convinces the General to bomb the Omega location.

To ensure it worked -- AND to reset the timeline to avoid all the deaths from the landfall he may not have been able to halt -- he rolls time back (kills himself) to see the result. The result is the Omega is dead, no one dies in the landfall, all is good. Of course that assumes he Omegas death in a timeline matters to all timelines unlike the Alphas.

We don't know for sure, which is half the fun. With Cruise's new abilities there are so many new options... one being

Spoiler

he didn't go back 24 hours! But I think he went 24 hours and are left guessing what he did as the Omega to trigger the Omni Brain's death. Either way he is now the Omega! What would be interesting is a sequel with 2 Omegas where we find out there is another. And as a good turn of events to have Cruise die and bleed onto Blundt so we get to see a movie as her as the Omega and Tom as the side kick.