edmunds 2007 MB E63 AMG

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Turkish

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
I love how they talk about it not being "bloated" and then list the curb weight at 4,035 pounds. Now, I'm the last person to be irrational about weight and the fact is that most modern cars are heavier, but 4,000+ pounds is still into the "portly" category. The simple fact is that cars today are very much like Americans; the majority of them are heavy. I consider my 951 to be fairly heavy at 2,800 pounds and my Mustang is what I consider to be a "big" car at 3,500 pounds. The 914, however, is actually "light" at 1,900 pounds.

ZV

Agreed. All the big powerful sedans are quite heavy. Wonder how the tires will hold up under spirited driving. I know the Mustang GT will chew through street tires like mad when pushed hard around a track.

The thing is, people that buy a 4-door 500hp car for $100K (c'mon, lets be realistic, these people buy their cars loaded with options) won't care new tires + won't take this car to the track.

Then what's the point? Really? To impress friends? Clients? That's pretty weak...IMO

Are you serious? Interstate or Autobah =/= Track. I'd love to have an E63 to drive on I-395 or I-495 and accelerate fast or pass other cars with ease but I'd not take it to the track. And yes, people buy nice, expensive, powerful cars to impress others. Its a reality, whether you accept or deny it is your choice

 

[Baked]

You'll appreciate a MB's bloated ass when you get into an accident. These babies are tanks. In a head on collision w/ a Japanese car, the latter will get destroyed.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: alimoalem
they could be trying to give the driver better gas milage with the m disabled...isn't that a good thing?

the E63 AMG doesn't seem weak....the 500+ hp with 465 lb-ft sounds good. my only problem with all these luxury class cars are they don't take into consideration all the stick-shift drivers. i realize most people that purchase these cars are in the 40+ year old category but still, it's at the midlife crisis point. i'm only 18 but i have made a decision to never own an automatic unless i have a fully manual (as in not SMG) car as well. i'm sure a 500 hp luxury 4000lb manual sedan will give any man a good drive

Merc doesn't like manuals

I think they offer one in the C class, but that's it.

 

[MBrown]

Why dont they make a standard transmission for this. If im going to buy a sports car I want manual transmission. Yeah maybe this particular auto transmission is fast but its not fun.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
I love how they talk about it not being "bloated" and then list the curb weight at 4,035 pounds. Now, I'm the last person to be irrational about weight and the fact is that most modern cars are heavier, but 4,000+ pounds is still into the "portly" category. The simple fact is that cars today are very much like Americans; the majority of them are heavy. I consider my 951 to be fairly heavy at 2,800 pounds and my Mustang is what I consider to be a "big" car at 3,500 pounds. The 914, however, is actually "light" at 1,900 pounds.

ZV

Agreed. All the big powerful sedans are quite heavy. Wonder how the tires will hold up under spirited driving. I know the Mustang GT will chew through street tires like mad when pushed hard around a track.

Damn straight it would. The thing understeers near the limit like you wouldn't believe with the stock suspension setup.

ZV

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
I love how they talk about it not being "bloated" and then list the curb weight at 4,035 pounds. Now, I'm the last person to be irrational about weight and the fact is that most modern cars are heavier, but 4,000+ pounds is still into the "portly" category. The simple fact is that cars today are very much like Americans; the majority of them are heavy. I consider my 951 to be fairly heavy at 2,800 pounds and my Mustang is what I consider to be a "big" car at 3,500 pounds. The 914, however, is actually "light" at 1,900 pounds.

ZV

Agreed. All the big powerful sedans are quite heavy. Wonder how the tires will hold up under spirited driving. I know the Mustang GT will chew through street tires like mad when pushed hard around a track.

Damn straight it would. The thing understeers near the limit like you wouldn't believe with the stock suspension setup.

ZV

ZV, are you going to get a shelby GT500 from a stealership?

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: bigdog1218
The thing is he might as well compare the weight of his cars to motorcycles if he's going to compare sports cars to luxury sedans, because both are pointless comparisons.

You're right. How could I possibly think that a car 507 horsepower and 465 ft-lbs of torque has any sporting pretentions. :roll:

The AMG Merc is a sports car. It's a big, heavy, luxury sportscar, but it's a sportscar. It's a car that is designed to go fast and handle well. The entire purpose of AMG is to produce sports versions of Mercs. Just because it's not a "hair shirt" sort of car doesn't mean it's not a sports car.

Also, note that I admitted that ALL cars are heavy today. The reason is safety features mainly, though additional "luxury" items and electronic gee-gaws play a role as well. In any case, I didn't say that it was bad because it's heavy, just pointed out that cars today are much heavier than they used to be, even sportscars.

ZV

 

[imported_yetti]

Originally posted by: OS
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507 hp, 465 lb-ft, 7 speed auto

i'm not one who cares for european cars, but for 50K+ luxo cars, there's really no where else to go

i need to go change my underwear. <_<

 

[OS]

auto only because each tranny type must also be certified for US market.

It doesn't make sense to make a manual for a car where almost all the customers are going to buy auto and the sales volume probably doesn't even break 3,000 units a year.

 

[SithSolo1]

You know the SLR has an auto transmission...I bet it sucks balls to drive. :disgust:

 

[OS]

does it even make sense to bitch about tranny type on a car you can't even afford?

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
M5 >>> new RS6 >>> *

M5 is ugly, but amazing performer. i won't mention iNav or the crippled engine when not in M-mode. jeremy clarkson hated it before he pressed the M button.. and wtf, you need the M button to unleash the full power? for the $$, i want it any time, not just when i press a freakin button!

just push it once and never touch it again

i wonder if it resets when you turn the engine off

It does, you have to push it every time. However, you can program the "M" button on your steering wheel to set everything. For instance, set to P500S (500hp sport throttle response), DSC off (no traction control), S6 (15ms shift speed), Sport mode suspension, and sport mode automatic sidebolster on.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Turkish

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
I love how they talk about it not being "bloated" and then list the curb weight at 4,035 pounds. Now, I'm the last person to be irrational about weight and the fact is that most modern cars are heavier, but 4,000+ pounds is still into the "portly" category. The simple fact is that cars today are very much like Americans; the majority of them are heavy. I consider my 951 to be fairly heavy at 2,800 pounds and my Mustang is what I consider to be a "big" car at 3,500 pounds. The 914, however, is actually "light" at 1,900 pounds.

ZV

Agreed. All the big powerful sedans are quite heavy. Wonder how the tires will hold up under spirited driving. I know the Mustang GT will chew through street tires like mad when pushed hard around a track.

The thing is, people that buy a 4-door 500hp car for $100K (c'mon, lets be realistic, these people buy their cars loaded with options) won't care new tires + won't take this car to the track.

Then what's the point? Really? To impress friends? Clients? That's pretty weak...IMO

You don't have much room to talk:

"Nope. Just the IS and the Maxima now. We really needed to keep the Maxima as having two smallish cars just wouldn't cut it for us.

My wife is a realtor so she wanted something with a little more prestige. "

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Turkish

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
I love how they talk about it not being "bloated" and then list the curb weight at 4,035 pounds. Now, I'm the last person to be irrational about weight and the fact is that most modern cars are heavier, but 4,000+ pounds is still into the "portly" category. The simple fact is that cars today are very much like Americans; the majority of them are heavy. I consider my 951 to be fairly heavy at 2,800 pounds and my Mustang is what I consider to be a "big" car at 3,500 pounds. The 914, however, is actually "light" at 1,900 pounds.

ZV

Agreed. All the big powerful sedans are quite heavy. Wonder how the tires will hold up under spirited driving. I know the Mustang GT will chew through street tires like mad when pushed hard around a track.

The thing is, people that buy a 4-door 500hp car for $100K (c'mon, lets be realistic, these people buy their cars loaded with options) won't care new tires + won't take this car to the track.

Then what's the point? Really? To impress friends? Clients? That's pretty weak...IMO

You don't have much room to talk:

"Nope. Just the IS and the Maxima now. We really needed to keep the Maxima as having two smallish cars just wouldn't cut it for us.

My wife is a realtor so she wanted something with a little more prestige. "

Nice!

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: OS
auto only because each tranny type must also be certified for US market.

It doesn't make sense to make a manual for a car where almost all the customers are going to buy auto and the sales volume probably doesn't even break 3,000 units a year.

They wanted to use their 7-speed auto across the line. It was unable to survive their older 5.4L supercharged engine's higher power.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: OS
auto only because each tranny type must also be certified for US market.

It doesn't make sense to make a manual for a car where almost all the customers are going to buy auto and the sales volume probably doesn't even break 3,000 units a year.

They wanted to use their 7-speed auto across the line. It was unable to survive their older 5.4L supercharged engine's higher power.

that kind of implies their engineering margin is ~50 lb-ft of torque, which is not terribly encouraging

 

[yhelothar]

WHITE POWAH!

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: OS
auto only because each tranny type must also be certified for US market.

It doesn't make sense to make a manual for a car where almost all the customers are going to buy auto and the sales volume probably doesn't even break 3,000 units a year.

They wanted to use their 7-speed auto across the line. It was unable to survive their older 5.4L supercharged engine's higher power.

that kind of implies their engineering margin is ~50 lb-ft of torque, which is not terribly encouraging

Hehe. Honestly, they have more stringent survival rate percentage requirements than your typical user though.