Eisinghower's murder of 1.8 million Germans.

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Scotteq

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Well, the OP claims he can't help doing what he does and that makes me sad so I keep trying to find a way to change that belief because I believe it's only a belief and not a reality. We have a soul here who is tortured by dependence on the state and seems to hate his own dependence. It seems to me that with any compulsive behavior one needs to see that there is some need that drives it. If I had a need to kick myself in the ass, and I really believe that I do, then it would be very convenient for him, if he's like me, to post compulsively over and over again to prove to himself how out of control, helpless, and contemptible he is. My belief then is that if one can shine a light on this process an escape route might be in the offering. To escape the rut of spinning your wheels in mud, you need to take a different approach than stepping on the gas all the time. A rut is broken by seeing from a different perspective, it seems to me. We always create what we fear by not seeing our real motivations. I don't see how one can stop kicking himself in the ass if that's the motive, without seeing that motive. A depressed state is maintained by doing what causes one to feel depressed. A person who hates the government for caring about the disabled gets to whip the shit out of himself by being dependently disabled. We have to understand our game before we can stop playing it.

He hates himself by hating the fact that he is dependent of hateful government care, but he can't make me do that because I am glad the government cares because the government is me. I care and he's never going to convince me not to or that he's worthless. Praise be to government care.
you seriously are an idiot and you are really offensive by thinking you and other liberals are helping when you're just a nuisance... none of what you said about me is true other than that i hate myself, but you got the reason totally wrong as i am NOT on "government care".

EDIT: im sorry for being an ass even if i find almost of your posts annoying. and you're not an idiot.
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Atreus21

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Damn. I had never heard of this.

That is truly a stain on our honor, and on Eisenhower's name.

The only mitigating factor I can think of is that this occurred in the aftermath of WWII.

Looks like there's some debate on the numbers, though:

In his 1989 book Other Losses, James Bacque claimed that Allied Supreme Commander Dwight Eisenhower deliberately caused the death of 790,000 German captives in internment camps through disease, starvation and cold from 1944 to 1949. Bacque charges that some of these deaths were DEF designated soldiers that could receive harsh treatment because they did not fall within the Geneva Convention protections. Stephen Ambrose, at the time director of the Eisenhower center at the University of New Orleans, also organized a conference of eight British, American, and German historians. The result of this conference was a group of papers by these eight historians published in 1992 as the book Eisenhower and the German POWs: Facts against Falsehood which strongly disputes virtually every claim in James Bacque's book, including his categorization of "other losses", their purported origination, Bacque's description of the DEF designation decision, Bacque's oral histories, Bacque's methodologies and Bacque's analysis of World War II documents.[41][42] Even with regard to the poor conditions of prisoner camps highlighted by Bacque which the panel members agree existed, the New Orleans panel concluded that Bacque raised no new or novel issues that had not been raised since the Maschke Commission findings of the 1960s and 1970s, and studies thereafter that had also chronicled those conditions in far more specific detail.[41][43]
Current academic consensus regarding the post-war death rate in Allied hands can—mainly based on work such as Ambrose's Eisenhower and the German POWs—be summed up in historian Niall Ferguson's words that Bacque's "calculations grossly exaggerate both the number of Germans the Americans captured and their mortality", although he also notes that "the mortality rate for German POWs in American hands was more than four times higher than the rate for those who surrendered to the British", but that the United States total mortality rate was under 1% and better than every other country in World War II except for the British.[44] Ambrose did concede: "we as Americans can't duck the fact that terrible things happened. And they happened at the end of a war we fought for decency and freedom, and they are not excusable".[45]

Also, as outlandish as some of Anarchist's posts get, I don't understand the jeering and nasty posts in this thread.
 
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