ELBRUS cpu

[lucius_O_maximu]

Hi everyone,

i dont know if its the right place on this forum for my question but i am looking for manufacturers of ELBRUS cpu's and a place where i could buy them.Those i am interested in are the ELBRUS 2000 , ELBRUS 2C+ , and the MCST-R1000 (sparc instruction set)
I looked around the web but i am having a hard time to find a manufacturer.

Thanks for any sort of help

 

[redtruthseeker]

You can't get it in USA, Intel succeded in banning them USA in fear that their Itanium's cant compete with a bit more advanced Elbrus product. Elbrus is from Russia so that's another reason that contributed to banning, USA goverment don't like anything involved Russia... I would not be suprised by buying something from Elbrus you get in jail... -_-"

 

[Magic Carpet]

These are used in Russian military, I don't think you can buy them in the free market.

http://www.mcst.ru/

 

[Idontcare]

You can't get it in USA, Intel succeded in banning them USA in fear that their Itanium's cant compete with a bit more advanced Elbrus product. Elbrus is from Russia so that's another reason that contributed to banning, USA goverment don't like anything involved Russia... I would not be suprised by buying something from Elbrus you get in jail... -_-"

So in your world the USA arbitrarily bans one-off semiconductor chips from Elbrus (complete with jailing hapless owners of said contraband) but the USA openly allows chips to be imported from Japan, Taiwan, Korea, China, etc?

You come across as desperately wanting to paint the USA as a villian by any means necessary but your argument fails a routine sanity check.

 

[SocketF]

Yes it is Russian, but it seems to be available:

There is a µATX board:
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mcst.ru%2Fstr_120529.shtml

Ask then if you can buy it, they have a mail adress ^^

If you get a positive reply tell us, how much it would cost, I follow the Elbrus story for a long time ;-)

 

[redtruthseeker]

@Idontcare You americans have one most odd laws in the world with some of them oppose logic totally and most of the world does not like your goverment.

 

[bronxzv]

You can't get it in USA, Intel succeded in banning them USA in fear that their Itanium's cant compete with a bit more advanced Elbrus product. Elbrus is from Russia so that's another reason that contributed to banning, USA goverment don't like anything involved Russia... I would not be suprised by buying something from Elbrus you get in jail... -_-"

in case you missed it, according to this Russian source, Intel bought the technology nearly a decade ago http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20040525031730.html

 

[squirrel dog]

that russky cpu seems to be pretty awesome,would like to see one.

 

[Idontcare]

@Idontcare You americans have one most odd laws in the world with some of them oppose logic totally and most of the world does not like your goverment.

Your disdain for the USA is noted, but you have yet to actually substantiate any of your purported claims.

If this is all you came here to contribute, why bother?

And you can do much better if you are just going to make up fanciful claims like being jailed if we buy an Elbrus CPU.

Why not claim we make soap out of Russian babies, and that the USA - being the great Satan that it is - trains our kids to club bay seals before breakfast (we put pictures of Putin on the baby seals of course, train'em while their young we like to say).

There is a small chance here that maybe, just maybe, you have been deluded by propaganda at some point in your life. Have you done anything to critically assess the supposed information regarding the USA's laws and practices? Or do you just want to believe it so you take it on blind faith provided someone in a position of authority tells you it is true?

Fear and hate are the two easiest concepts to peddle. Someone has convinced you to feel both for the USA. You should spend some time asking yourself why they want you to feel or think that way about the USA.

 

[pm]

I work for Intel and I've worked with some of the engineers who worked on the Elbus CPU. To the best of my knowledge I have never heard of any restrictions on the import or export of Elbus products - although I will admit that there are some really funky restrictions on the import and export of technology both in the USA and outside the USA. As far as the original topic of Elbus CPU's - I have personally always been interested in them and I've read several of their conference papers over the years. I will say that, having worked on VLIW microprocessors for the majority of my profession career I can say with some authority that it can be difficult to program code in such a way that the theoretical performance translates into real-world performance - I say this having written quite a lot of VLIW code in assembly language so I speak with some professional experience in this. As always, I'm not a spokesperson for Intel, I'm just an engineer who works there and my opinions are my own.

 

[Piroko]

@IDC, to be fair, you really do have some weird import laws in the US like the trade protection of sugar (but so does the EU, for what it matters).

In this case I would think that availability has to do more with low/no demand or export restrictions of Russia, since availability in the EU is also (nearly?) non-existant.

 

[Vesku]

AFAIK Russia does not have a free trade or even a comprehensive trade agreement with the US. So importing things into the US is a big headache often accompanied by large tariffs. I know specifically in the case of weaponry that the vast majority of AK style rifles come from former Eastern Bloc countries and not Russia, due to import issues.

In the case of this CPU, I think it's more of a lack of demand + high cost of importing small batches which results in practically no US availability.

 

[Idontcare]

@IDC, to be fair, you really do have some weird import laws in the US like the trade protection of sugar (but so does the EU, for what it matters).

In this case I would think that availability has to do more with low/no demand or export restrictions of Russia, since availability in the EU is also (nearly?) non-existant.

I agree 100% with you. But discussing the vagaries of import/export law, for which no country's citizens are immune, is a far cry from making the following baseless assertions:

You can't get it in USA, Intel succeded in banning them USA in fear that their Itanium's cant compete with a bit more advanced Elbrus product.

Elbrus is from Russia so that's another reason that contributed to banning, USA goverment don't like anything involved Russia...

I would not be suprised by buying something from Elbrus you get in jail... -_-"

You americans have one most odd laws in the world with some of them oppose logic totally and most of the world does not like your goverment.

 

[crashtech]

English translation of specs:

Elbrus 2C+, 500MHz, 90nm process

 

[squirrel dog]

thank you Crash sheds some light on it .

 

[nenforcer]

Intel employs several former Elbrus employees. Boris Babayan is an Intel Fellow and Director of Architecture at Intel. Serghey Rozhkov and Andrey Bokhanko also work in compilers / software.

 

[l2ez4m]

.... USA goverment don't like anything involved Russia... I would not be suprised by buying something from Elbrus you get in jail... -_-"

Typical, bone marrow deep, engraved on the genetical level homo sovieticus FUD towards the West, though ignorance of the real danger in the East.

 

[FalseChristian]

500Mhz? That's 1/9 of what I've got my i5 2500K is at. A 90nm process? This is 2013 not 2003. And I like the U.S. Never has a nation so powerful used that said power so responsibly. I go to Florida for a month every January and I feel like I've never left Canada.

We Canadians are so very lucky to live beside such a friendly Hyperpower as the U.S. is.

 

[crashtech]

I thought the facts of the ELBRUS CPU spoke for themselves. But no matter the specs, it's good that a Russian company is manufacturing CPUs. Someday they may even become competitive in the global market, and that could only be for the good.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

500Mhz? That's 1/9 of what I've got my i5 2500K is at. A 90nm process? This is 2013 not 2003.

Uhm, many catalog parts companies (including Maxim) still use 90nm and even a bunch of older ones (180nm, 400nm, etc.) Work with it every day (and trying to get modern place-n-route tools to play nice with them is murder).

 

[dark zero]

I am reviving the topic since I can't find the newer one, but Wikipedia states that there is a new Elbrus processor at 28nm, octacore and at 1.3Ghz...
Since the older 4C versión could run Doom 3 at 20 Fps... Maybe this can run it fluently... I mean.. Is interesting seeing this arch still alive

 

[cytg111]

to its defense, IIRC, it has to emulate x86 ala the Itanic.. If anything, running doom, it shows that ~386? emulation works.

 

[myocardia]

to its defense, IIRC, it has to emulate x86 ala the Itanic.. If anything, running doom, it shows that ~386? emulation works.

Haha, you're confusing the extremely old Doom with the released in the latter half of 2004 Doom 3. It was actually, IIRC, the first game to utilize dual-core processors. Well, maybe it was the first AAA title to use them. Hard to remember that far back, now! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom_3

 

[DrMrLordX]

One wonders how the Elbrus 8C will handle the new Doom planned by Bethesda/Miramax. Probably not too well. But that's not the purpose of its design.

 

[TechFan1]

Sounded interesting when I thought the cpu alone was running doom 3, but not nearly as cool when you find out it was using a radeon 6970. Here is a youtube video from Elbrus giving some info written in English, and showing it running doom:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=417&v=PUNJ_tkq2hk
Although, holy anti-US propaganda.