If your really think otherwise then explain how to enable SSAA in Deus Ex Invisible war on nVidia cards. The application knows how to ask for AA so how come the control panel has no effect?
Likewise nVidia claims AF and AA are orthogonal so how come I can't run both in Halo? Using your ridiculous reasoning can we conclude nVidia doesn't have the hardware support to run AA and AF at the same time?
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Likewise nVidia claims AF and AA are orthogonal so how come I can't run both in Halo? Using your ridiculous reasoning can we conclude nVidia doesn't have the hardware support to run AA and AF at the same time?
And if ATi really can't support FP16 and MSAA at the same time at the hardware level and are hacking it into the driver then surely it'll be trivial for nVidia to hack it in in the same fashion?
So how come we haven't see it yet? In a TWIMTBP title no less?
What the hell does this have to do with anyhing? HDR is not tied to a particular shader model.As I said before SC:CT still uses the SM2.0 path
Uh no, he's not. He's saying it won't work because Oblivion using a non-standard rendering path which is why a generic force MSAA path in the driver won't work. This is no different to the likes of Halo not having AA when you try to force it through nVidia's control panel.With the first bolded part of that quote, Chuck is saying what I said on the previous page
It is being used which is why Oblivion's force MSAA path on FP16 HDR could be applied to those other games he listed. In effect what he's saying is that he's implemented a force MSAA to FP16 HDR driver path that could force MSAA on other games using FP16 HDR, much like the old driver path can force MSAA into non-FP/non-HDR games.The second bolded bit puts the lie to 5150joker/munky's claims that FP16 HDR is already being used...
Do you actually comprehend what you read or do you just spew anti-ATi propaganda at any opportunity you get?
the *game developer* wrote the HDR path as SM3.0, *NOT* as 2.0, that was ATi's doing, (just like the Doom3 shader rewrite really).quote:
As I said before SC:CT still uses the SM2.0 path
What the hell does this have to do with anyhing? HDR is not tied to a particular shader model.
Originally posted by: Gstanfor
FX12 was NV30's minimum float precision troll boy
Originally posted by: Gstanfor
99% of the time _PP does not alter image quality at all. It's a near perfect solution for color data (why do you think OpenEXR HDR is based around FP16?). About the only time you will get errors with FP16 is if you try to do large texture coordinate lookups with FP16 (FP32 should always be used for coordinate calculation if you want accuracy).
Originally posted by: RobertR1
Joker,
He doesn't even have a copy of oblivion or been exposed to it.
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: RobertR1
Joker,
He doesn't even have a copy of oblivion or been exposed to it.
Yeah I know he doesn't - so why is he so concerned about how ATi does HDR+AA for Oblivion if he doesn't even like the game? There must be some motivation behind his trolling...
Originally posted by: RobertR1
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: RobertR1
Joker,
He doesn't even have a copy of oblivion or been exposed to it.
Yeah I know he doesn't - so why is he so concerned about how ATi does HDR+AA for Oblivion if he doesn't even like the game? There must be some motivation behind his trolling...
Oh just trying to down play it or find flaws but having a very hard time so he's hoping to stumble upon a technicality so he can run with it. So far he's bunny hopping from one accusation to another. Amusing lil fella......
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: RobertR1
Joker,
He doesn't even have a copy of oblivion or been exposed to it.
Yeah I know he doesn't - so why is he so concerned about how ATi does HDR+AA for Oblivion if he doesn't even like the game? There must be some motivation behind his trolling...
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: RobertR1
Joker,
He doesn't even have a copy of oblivion or been exposed to it.
Yeah I know he doesn't - so why is he so concerned about how ATi does HDR+AA for Oblivion if he doesn't even like the game? There must be some motivation behind his trolling...
letsee, while you guys have been wasting time arguing . . . i have over 100 hours into this Great Game - My 1st game - of any type [and my first Fantasy RPG] - that has effectively shuut down my forum posting [except fo occasional 'advice' in the Oblivion 'Games' thread]. . .
i know i don't have the very finest visuals [x850xt - all 'on' except self-shadows, mostly 'hi' or 'max' at 11x8, 2xAA+Bloom] . . . but the game is SO good, i don't feel like i am missing a thing.
:roll:
See you in a month or so.
:laugh:
Originally posted by: RobertR1
Joker,
He doesn't even have a copy of oblivion or been exposed to it.
Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Originally posted by: RobertR1
Joker,
He doesn't even have a copy of oblivion or been exposed to it.
I don't have a copy of it, I have seen it and briefly played it on a mates machine. I have no interest whatsoever in purchasing it.
EDIT: What pity all the fanatics can't be like Appopin and disappear iin to the virtual game world for a month or so. Pure bliss on the forums if they did...
He didn't say that at all and you're simply trolling.I'm saying that an ATi employee has publically stated that FarCry and SC:CT are not using HDR+AA.
The exciting thing is that this ForceAA path could be enabled for other games in the future, like FarCry and Splinter Cell,
No sh!t. So what, Captain Obvious?Game designers are the only ones who can decide if a user can use HDR rendering or not.
MSAA is orthogonal to FP HDR on ATi but not on nVidia and that's why it's not possible on nVidia cards given they lack the hardware capability.However if AA is orthagonal to *all* other rendering modes, then anyone can enable AA on anything.
So no evidence and as per usual you continue your rampant and clueless trolling? Do you seriously expect me to believe that everyone running the 1.4 Far Cry patch is lying when they say they have it? Is Croteam also lying about Serious Sam 2 supporting said features?Search in the forums @ B3D, it wasn't an article AFAIK.
But if Bloom is on then AA won't be forced so therefore using your reasoning nVidia can't do bloom and AA at the same time?I had no trouble enabling any desired AA with DeusEx IW when I played it. Just disable Bloom.
Uh, why are you repeating what I've already said?No, AA is not orthagonal *for all rendering modes* on nVIDIA hardware or ATi hardware prior to r5xx.
Exactly. But that doesn't change the fact that ATi hardware is capable at the hardware level to do MSAA + FP HDR while nVidia hardware is not. That you need a separate driver path to force it is irrelevant given you can't force it on nVidia because it doesn't have the hardware.The game renders in such a way that AA cannot be used.
HDR is not tied to a shader model unless the developer happens to lump them together by coincidence. In any case it has nothing at all to do with your false claim that ATi can't do FP HDR + MSAA at the hardware level.the *game developer* wrote the HDR path as SM3.0, *NOT* as 2.0, that was ATi's doing, (just like the Doom3 shader rewrite really).
I have to ask, are you currently in an intoxicated state? Because your posts appear to be nothing more than collections of unrelated random English words and sentences.Get your facts straight.
you're just getting started . . . did you complete the Main Quest for the Amulet, etc.?Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: RobertR1
Joker,
He doesn't even have a copy of oblivion or been exposed to it.
Yeah I know he doesn't - so why is he so concerned about how ATi does HDR+AA for Oblivion if he doesn't even like the game? There must be some motivation behind his trolling...
letsee, while you guys have been wasting time arguing . . . i have over 100 hours into this Great Game - My 1st game - of any type [and my first Fantasy RPG] - that has effectively shuut down my forum posting [except fo occasional 'advice' in the Oblivion 'Games' thread]. . .
i know i don't have the very finest visuals [x850xt - all 'on' except self-shadows, mostly 'hi' or 'max' at 11x8, 2xAA+Bloom] . . . but the game is SO good, i don't feel like i am missing a thing.
:roll:
See you in a month or so.
:laugh:
Heh well I closed all the Oblivion gates and it feels like I've beaten the game. Now I'm not really sure what to do other than explore for more hidden caves and such.
he'd be all by himself . . . NO one would read his postsOriginally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Originally posted by: RobertR1
Joker,
He doesn't even have a copy of oblivion or been exposed to it.
I don't have a copy of it, I have seen it and briefly played it on a mates machine. I have no interest whatsoever in purchasing it.
EDIT: What pity all the fanatics can't be like Appopin and disappear iin to the virtual game world for a month or so. Pure bliss on the forums if they did...
Yes I'm sure you'd love to have the forums to youself so you could troll to your hearts content without having anyone around to call you on it.
He said his path could be used in those games to force AA and HDR. He didn't say those games don't already support AA and HDR. Let me highlight it again:
quote:
The exciting thing is that this ForceAA path could be enabled for other games in the future, like FarCry and Splinter Cell
The question should be why is ATi taking so long to give their users what they so obviously want? Will they ever give it to them? Perhaps when R590 rolls around?The technical details
Chuck @ ATI Here are the gory details. When you force on MSAA through the Catalyst Control Center, our driver has a special "ForceAA" path that will allocate an MSAA buffer and bind it to the flip chain (back buffer). That causes all rendering to the flip chain, to actually go into the MSAA buffer, so you get higher quality. This doesn't work for Oblivion, because most of the rendering doesn't go into the flip chain, so you don't see any difference. In my patch, I made a special ForceAA path to enable MSAA on textures instead of the flip chain.
Good Lord, this is beyond comical now.You're wrong (as per usual). The ForceAA path existed prior to his patch, he didn't write it.
In my patch, I made a special ForceAA path to enable MSAA on textures instead of the flip chain
A total and utter dodge of the questions presented while continuing to spout anti-ATi rubbish. The textbook hallmark of a troll.The question should be why is ATi taking so long to give their users what they so obviously want? Will they ever give it to them? Perhaps when R590 rolls around?
When we move to tests with anti-aliasing turned on, things change substantially.
Although the GeForce 7800GTX is one of the fastest performing GPUs in real-world games it cannot do HDR and anti-aliasing simultaneously. ATI can.
As a result, NVIDIA puts in a zero score for the HDR/SM3.0 with anti-aliasing tests.
Huh? Why don't you look at the paragraph you're so keen on quoting?I've said I've seen no evidence of them doing FP16 HDR (OpenEXR HDR) + AA.
Did you get that? Or would you like me to apply some more bolding?I detect when the correct FP16 renderable texture is created and then allocate a separate FP16 MSAA buffer and bind it to the texture. From that point on, all rendering the app does to the FP16 texture actually goes into the FP16 MSAA buffer instead.
It is orthogonal which is why R5xx hardware can run FP16 HDR and MSAA at the same time.If they were then 3 OpenEXR enabled titles (FarCry, SC:CT & Oblivion) would run with AA and without patches, since the AA is claimed to be orthagonal to other rendering.
Pot, Kettle, Black.Originally posted by: Gstanfor
FX12 was NV30's minimum float precision troll boy