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Markbnj

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Using DAOC as as example, because it did it so well in this regard, is that grinding to level was felt like an accomplishment. Level 1-25 was fairly "easy" for those days, but the 25-50 was HARD. Even the hardcore players took a good 6 months just to get to 50, most did not until the first year was up.

Truth.
 

Andrew111

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One area where ESO beats all other games hand down- tech support.

The game has been booting me out repeatedly lately... so I opened a ticket and within an hour I had the fix in my mailbox. I was pleasantly surprised that I didn't have to wait a week for some clown to ask me for more details. This was a clear message with a step by step process to follow for port forwarding and just like that, no more disconnects.

Sorry to burst your bubble but you're wrong on that one. The disconnect problem had showed itself during the beta and wasn't fixed...and was a huge issue for some players (me included) for the first two weeks or so until they figured it out....they didn't even know how to fix it at first so their tech support = blows for taking so long to figure it out.

Example forum post with people complaining about it since the beta: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/60955/disconnecting-with-an-unknown-error-message
 

Moe Zart

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Probably watched that angry joe video.

I did. haha

I don't know why I do it, I just recite what my favorite youtube personality says, but I know for a fact Angry Joe has the exact same tastes in games that I do, he gave Skyrim a 10/10 which it rightly deserved, so he understands what an Elder Scrolls game is, if he says ESO is an average MMO with an Elder Scrolls skin I believe him.
 
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ShintaiDK

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I did. haha

I don't know why I do it, I just recite what my favorite youtube personality says, but I know for a fact Angry Joe has the exact same tastes in games that I do, he gave Skyrim a 10/10 which it rightly deserved, so he understands what an Elder Scrolls game is, if he says ESO is an average MMO with an Elder Scrolls skin I believe him.

So you have zero experience with the game? And put your trust into a flip flopping guy on youtube?
 

StinkyPinky

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When did Joe ever flip flop?

I loved Skyrim and would give it a 10/10 myself. ESO is not a 5/10 IMO. That's just one mans opinion. Just because he has a fancy video on you tube doesnt exactly make his opinion anything special. I would give ESO about a 8/10 myself
 

CrowDog

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I loved Skyrim and would give it a 10/10 myself. ESO is not a 5/10 IMO. That's just one mans opinion. Just because he has a fancy video on you tube doesnt exactly make his opinion anything special. I would give ESO about a 8/10 myself


I agree..

But after years of using reviews to validate my own feelings about a game I think I'm done caring SO much about what someone else thinks. I've been gaming for years like most of us on this forum and I think it's safe to say we know what we like...if you enjoy a game...play it..who cares what some angry guy named Joe thinks.

I really like this game...although I know its not perfect...I catch myself thinking about it when I'm away from home...not many games can do that to me.
 

imaheadcase

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I did. haha

I don't know why I do it, I just recite what my favorite youtube personality says, but I know for a fact Angry Joe has the exact same tastes in games that I do, he gave Skyrim a 10/10 which it rightly deserved, so he understands what an Elder Scrolls game is, if he says ESO is an average MMO with an Elder Scrolls skin I believe him.

That is the whole problem with that thinking, it was NEVER being promoted as a Elder Scrolls game like Skyrim. Its a Elder Scrolls lore MMO, if you are the type that really like that, there are thousands, literally in this game of text you can read in books on the ground.

Skyrim would be boring as a MMO because its just questing.
 

Tequila

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Finally hit VR1 yesterday and omg I'm suddenly reminded of what hell levels were like in EQ1 My god the xp is so damn slow now. The worst part is killing mobs give maybe 50xp each so grinding isn't an option anymore. Quest xp is ungodly slow too.

1-50 was a pleasure. Quest xp was great and when I needed a break to do some mindless kill grinding that was a really nice source of xp.

But now ugh..this is painful.
 

Rhezuss

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LOL how are you guys leveling so quickly. I bought the game two weeks ago and still only level 14, but enjoying every seconds I log in.

Anyways, maybe I don't play effectively enough and I sometimes find myself just walking around and enjoying the scenery
 

NoSoup4You

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I bought ESO last weekend and this game is definitely awesome. It wasn't until I started skipping the quest dialogue though before I really started enjoying it, prior that I actually cancelled my subscription in anger around level 11 because of how bad the quests were. Mindless, inane "double crossers that get double crossed" type of nonsense, over and over.

However, the quest have gotten considerably better since then and I'm already level 15 now. Sure, i'm skipping the dialogue but I still get a good feel for the story because much of the story plays out during gameplay... enough to follow along at least.

The graphics are jaw-dropping, they absolutely hit the ball out of the park with character models, lighting, environment...etc. The audio/sound is all fine, I actually don't find the music all that inspiring even though I played 500 hours of Oblivion and 200 hours of Skyrim, and the ESO music samples some of the popular riffs from those games... oh well.

The skill system is really fun, I can already see a ton of potential in it. I love how any class can use light, medium or heavy armor. I can easily see myself resubscribing before my 30 days are up, the game appears to be worthy of my $$.
 

imaheadcase

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I don't think i'm going to care about leveling Veteran ranks when i hit 50, just going to pvp a lot. I finally hit level 32 today so hopefully get 50 in a week or so.
 

NoSoup4You

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Well, well... just finished the Banished Cells dungeon with a PUG... it was awesome! I'm liking this game more and more, hopefully it keeps building from here.

As per usual in MMO's, the dungeon group finder couldn't place us with any tanks or healers, so I tried out healing on my glass cannon dps sorceror. I was expecting to fail miserably but instead I was more than good enough to keep a level 17 and two level 12's alive. The dungeon is rated for lvl 12-15 and I was level 15, but only had a 9 in Restoration Staff. Luckily, I had kept Grand Healing and Regeneration on my bar long enough to morph them into Healing Springs and Rapid Regen, so I was able to dish out the hp.

Oh, and our "tank" was a 2-hander lvl 12... lol. I assume the later dungeons are much harder than this and require legit tank/healers.
 
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StinkyPinky

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I don't think i'm going to care about leveling Veteran ranks when i hit 50, just going to pvp a lot. I finally hit level 32 today so hopefully get 50 in a week or so.

Yeah I'll either just start a new character once I hit level 50, or just give up on the game.
 

Dahak

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Well, well... just finished the Banished Cells dungeon with a PUG... it was awesome! I'm liking this game more and more, hopefully it keeps building from here.

As per usual in MMO's, the dungeon group finder couldn't place us with any tanks or healers, so I tried out healing on my glass cannon dps sorceror. I was expecting to fail miserably but instead I was more than good enough to keep a level 17 and two level 12's alive. The dungeon is rated for lvl 12-15 and I was level 15, but only had a 9 in Restoration Staff. Luckily, I had kept Grand Healing and Regeneration on my bar long enough to morph them into Healing Springs and Rapid Regen, so I was able to dish out the hp.

Oh, and our "tank" was a 2-hander lvl 12... lol. I assume the later dungeons are much harder than this and require legit tank/healers.

In regards to the group finder, on that group window you can specify what role you want to be and if you are the group leader you can specify what role you are looking for as well.

not sure how many people are aware of it. it defaults to damage
 

shadow9d9

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Finally hit VR1 yesterday and omg I'm suddenly reminded of what hell levels were like in EQ1 My god the xp is so damn slow now. The worst part is killing mobs give maybe 50xp each so grinding isn't an option anymore. Quest xp is ungodly slow too.

1-50 was a pleasure. Quest xp was great and when I needed a break to do some mindless kill grinding that was a really nice source of xp.

But now ugh..this is painful.

MMOs should not have people hitting max level in days or weeks. Asheron's Call took many years before anyone hit max level.

That being said, I don't like that questing is pretty much the only way to get xp. If there were other options, it would be much better. I also wish the game world was 1000x the size, like AC. Oh well.
 

NoSoup4You

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In regards to the group finder, on that group window you can specify what role you want to be and if you are the group leader you can specify what role you are looking for as well.

not sure how many people are aware of it. it defaults to damage

Yep, I was using it. I think you're right that the problem is people aren't selecting their role... so it's very difficult to find non-dps.

I also noticed you can select more than one role, which is neat considering I'm full glass cannon but apparently I can also heal effectively if needed.
 

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I did. haha

I don't know why I do it, I just recite what my favorite youtube personality says, but I know for a fact Angry Joe has the exact same tastes in games that I do, he gave Skyrim a 10/10 which it rightly deserved, so he understands what an Elder Scrolls game is, if he says ESO is an average MMO with an Elder Scrolls skin I believe him.

He also gave GW2 10/10 so while he may know his stuff for single player ES games, clearly his MMO taste is questionable at best.

Regarding grind, money is not somethign you need to grind, nor do you need to play the market. At mid 20s I already had the best horse which I am feeding daily, as do most my guildies.

Crafting is the least grindy system I have done in an MMO, the decon for xp really helps with this.

As far as I am aware, the only grind is the Veteran ranks, which of course are there to elongate the game, but then again, the grind is via doing quests, so shouuldn't be anything ES players aren't comfortable with. It is the MMOers who find htis harder to deal with (patch 1.1 will be doubling mob xp and PvP player kill xp so it may help a little)
 

Dahak

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Im not sure why people have difficulty with xp pretty much in the three zones in have been in I had out-leveled the zone by 3-4 levels. This is with just exploring, questing, minimal crafting, no PVP.

One thing I will say, I find that experience from the treasure chests seems to be OP, for a simple chest it seems I get way too much. I have FTC addon install and seeing % of xp at like 30%. There was one run in a dungeon that I did and I could swear that I got 1 level from chests alone

now this is Pre-VR levels so I am not sure how it will be then
 

JamesV

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He also gave GW2 10/10 so while he may know his stuff for single player ES games, clearly his MMO taste is questionable at best.

I'm not playing ESO anymore, but I check this thread on the off chance certain things change. Huge things that would change the game almost entirely, so I'm not holding my breath, but I'd like to chime in on this... disregard me if you want.

Joe is like me. Everything before end game in an MMO is icing on the cake, not the 'meat' of the game. ESO was fun from 1-50, but it is just a warm up for the 'real' game that starts when you get to end game. That end game is always PVP, high level crafting, high level dungeons, and social content.

GW2's PVP was the best I've seen in ages. I spent countless hours in the WvW, and the structured PVP. WvW was a constant push and pull where you might be taking something over, only to be chased back to your area by a large force of enemies that might appear just when you thought you had taken something. You never got roflstomp/instakilled in large groups unless you played bad.

ESO's PVP is a gank fest. Since everyone can stealth, you have no idea if ten invisible guys are camping an area, and even if you do find out, there is zero reason to try and take them out, since the map is so huge it would be a waste of time to try and even find them. While the actual keep/etc combat was fun, it was about 5% of the actual play time in PVP; the rest was being ganked by invisible glass cannon builds that re-stealthed in seconds, or spent riding your horse over vast distances.

GW2 didn't have much end game dungeon content, but when you killed something, you got decent loot and items to craft the end game equipment. ESO's VR dungeon bosses drop white items 99% of the time, so people leave their groups to die while they open chests that are guaranteed green or better items.

I could list more examples, but I agree with Joe. Maybe after a year ESO's end game will be better (minus PVP which can't get better unless stealth is removed), but GW2's end game was pretty much in place on release.

From 1-50 I would have given ESO 8/10, but by VR4/5 only a 6/10.

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As for the post above talking about chest EXP... I told you so. Nobody seemed to believe me, but go on late at night while few people are around, and run the edges of a map looking in all nooks and crannys and open 30 some chests. I did this mainly for research items/deconstruct, and sometimes left 1/2 of the quests in a area before I out leveled it. In VR zones it doesn't seem to give EXP, but it DOES level skills, so load up your bar with stuff you want leveled and go on a chest opening spree.
 

HumblePie

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Remember "epic" horses are 42K. And they are better than the store bought or the one from imperial edition.

Actually no.

They aren't any better. They just have more invested stats.

Horses can have a maximum of 50 points total. Be that speed, stamina, or carry capacity. Horses all have a bare min of 15% speed and 10 stamina. That is half the points already allocated for the cheapest horse (imperial edition included). "Epic" horses just have 10 points more already spent for you in a category. 10 points is 250 x 10 gold or 2,500 gold more. Of course that is also 10 x 20 hours or 200 hours to reach that. Some people don't want to wait that long. Which is why the "epic" horses are so expensive.

Get the cheapest horse you can, for me it was the imperial at 1 gold, and then upgrade it yourself. Most you can do is 40% speed/10 stamina/0 carry capacity or the other setup is 15% speed/10 stamina /25 carry capacity. At least those are the only two configurations that matter as points into stamina are worthless with horses being able to sprint indefinitely and lack of stamina only means 1 hit knocks you off the horse.
 

Rhezuss

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Actually no.

They aren't any better. They just have more invested stats.

Horses can have a maximum of 50 points total. Be that speed, stamina, or carry capacity. Horses all have a bare min of 15% speed and 10 stamina. That is half the points already allocated for the cheapest horse (imperial edition included). "Epic" horses just have 10 points more already spent for you in a category. 10 points is 250 x 10 gold or 2,500 gold more. Of course that is also 10 x 20 hours or 200 hours to reach that. Some people don't want to wait that long. Which is why the "epic" horses are so expensive.

Get the cheapest horse you can, for me it was the imperial at 1 gold, and then upgrade it yourself. Most you can do is 40% speed/10 stamina/0 carry capacity or the other setup is 15% speed/10 stamina /25 carry capacity. At least those are the only two configurations that matter as points into stamina are worthless with horses being able to sprint indefinitely and lack of stamina only means 1 hit knocks you off the horse.

1 gold for a horse?
 
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