Election could have been hacked in 3 swing states

[brainhulk]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...esults/index.html?client=ms-android-sprint-us

Hillary Clinton's campaign is being urged by a number of top computer scientists to call for a recount of vote totals in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, according to a source with knowledge of the request.

The computer scientists believe they have found evidence that vote totals in the three states could have been manipulated or hacked and presented their findings to top Clinton aides on a call last Thursday.

Title changed to reflect the information in the article.
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[ivwshane]

Clinton and liberals don't fight to the death so I doubt we'll be seeing her file suit.

Having said that, even if trump remained president elect, it would be some sweet irony if election fraud was found. I can only imagine the spin and denial the right would be in trying to argue there isn't any election fraud.

 

[Exophase]

I'm highly skeptical, but if they have data this alleged source can release it openly. Getting it reported with no evidence is not meaningful.

This part near the end of the article is also pretty misleading:

Additionally, at least three electors have pledged to not vote for Trump and to seek a "reasonable Republican alternative for president through Electoral College," according to a statement Wednesday from a group called the Hamilton Electors, which represents them.
"The Founding Fathers created the Electoral College as the last line of defense," one elector, Michael Baca, said in a statement, "and I think we must do all that we can to ensure that we have a reasonable Republican candidate who shares our American values."

Seems pretty heavily implied that these are electors from states that voted from Trump when actually they're Hillary's: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...oping-for-an-electoral-college-revolt/508433/

 

[blankslate]

Hillary Clinton's campaign is being urged by a number of top computer scientists to call for a recount of vote totals in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, according to a source with knowledge of the request.

They should also do some investigating into ELM results during the democratic and republican primaries... sauce for the goose and all that.....


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[pcgeek11]

LOL.

The thread title needs to be changed as it is misleading and has no evidence.

I think their evidence is flawed:

List of Evidence.

they believe there is a questionable trend of Clinton performing worse in counties that relied on electronic voting machines compared to paper ballots and optical scanners, according to the source.

The group informed John Podesta, Clinton's campaign chairman, and Marc Elias, the campaign's general counsel, that Clinton received 7% fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic voting machines, which the group said could have been hacked. Their group told Podesta and Elias that while they had not found any evidence of hacking, the pattern needs to be looked at by an independent review.

Like the above statement that they said " They have Not found any evidence of hacking ".

They just have a feeling though...

 

[Grooveriding]

Welp, just maybe..

 

[JSt0rm]

this makes sense.

 

[Double Trouble]

Thread title: "election hacked in 3 states". Actual article: ".... they had not found any evidence of hacking".

So they don't have any evidence of any hacking, but something must be wrong because she didn't win those states. Sounds solid.

 

[boomerang]

The thread title needs to be changed as it is misleading and has no evidence.

Think the OP will change it? Think the powers that be will change it? We'll have to stay tuned.

 

[compuwiz1]

Maybe Trump needs to have California audited and find out how many illegals voted. Fair is fair, right?

 

[bozack]

this is a riot, you have the president and others on record saying that there is no way election results can be manipulated, that they have the utmost faith in the process all while Trump said it was "rigged" and now those who said there was nothing to worry about would be the ones to contest the results on the basis of fraud and manipulation....good luck with that, maybe if they all kept their mouths shut instead of bleating on and on about how rock solid the system was but I would love to see the spin put on Hillary opening up that can of worms.

 

[compuwiz1]

But..but, there's a petition and it has enough signatures to make the electoral college change their mind. Yeah, I have a family member, who believes that shit is actually happening. lol

What's even funnier, is she thinks they're gonna overturn both Trump and Hillary, then make Bernie president....somehow, but she has faith.

 

[FIVR]

Calm down, people. Sometimes you have to hack a few machines to make an omelette. It's in the KGB's "Cook your own US Election" cookbook.


You will never get the FBI or other non federal law enforcement to believe this because they don't understand it. The NSA isn't trusted by the public and the CIA won't comment so what can the Clinton campaign realistically do even if it's obvious that Russia stole the election? Nothing, unless they want to fight a war with Bannon and his Trumpovtsky army.

 

[disappoint]

I'm investing in Reynold's Wrap.

 

[sdifox]

Show evidence or it's just waste of time.

 

[Sunburn74]

What these guys are saying is if you stratify winners and losers of counties by the type of voting machine, you should see a split that more or less parallels the overall trends of the state.

However what they are seeing is that if you stratify counties by machine type, there is a major difference in the behavior of those voters compared to the background for the overall population. For example if you compare red counties with machine only to all the red counties with paper trails, they are noting a 7% difference.

So either you are arguing that machines with no paper trails make people vote Republican even more fervently, or that counties that use only machines with no paper trails have some other NATURAL reason for tending to vote Republican even above the rate of the rest of the state or there is something going on.

Honestly if the data is really there and it meets criteria for significance, I'm not sure which is the more plausible explanation.

 

[vi edit]

If there's enough evidence, sure. Why not. I don't really see anything in any articles other than "well we think". Between Russian interference with emails, wikis and FBI dubious timings and involvement, it's the least the DNC can do to get a little jab back in.

Reality is that she will be facing a stacked congress against her favor, a fervent core of Trump loyalists and a very shaky political environment and will just live the next 4 years under massive scrutiny and obstruction. Not sure that's worth the headache.

 

[realibrad]

I hope this does not turn into Benghazi for the Left.

 

[351Cleveland]

The media is SOOOO pissed right now. They flushed their reputations on a loser, got their asses handed to them by Trump, so now they are doubling down with something they said could never happen. Well, at least the liberal meltdown is entertaining. Some of the best Youtube clips I have seen in awhile.

 

[Lash444]

Not sure why they didn't release the information either. Unlike the Trump shenanigans about an election rig, this looks to be started with evidence. Otherwise, why even do it? One second looking at the data (if it exists) will show if it is true or not. A top computer scientist has a math heavy background. Should be fairly obvious if the election results in those counties have a standard deviation well outside the norm. Trump supporters might wave that off as chance, but based on how heavily altered the data is, it might be painfully obvious.

A number of online poker websites were shut down because specific winners of tournaments math data showed that they statistically called or folded on hands that no other players would. Math is the best way to out cheaters.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Yea, this kinda has a feel of the last grasp at a chance to overturn the election. I fucking hate drumpf, but c'mon, this shit didn't help in 2000, it won't now.

 

[Jhhnn]

Hacking or not, what this shows is that voting machines w/o paper trails are a very, very bad idea, basically an abomination.

Recount? OK. clickety-clickety-clack. tap tap. <enter> Yep, we win.

 

[pauldun170]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ill-no-good-evidence-the-election-was-rigged/

Were this year’s deviations from pre-election polls the results of a cyberattack? Probably not. I believe the most likely explanation is that the polls were systematically wrong, rather than that the election was hacked.

 

[351Cleveland]

Not sure why they didn't release the information either. Unlike the Trump shenanigans about an election rig, this looks to be started with evidence. Otherwise, why even do it? One second looking at the data (if it exists) will show if it is true or not. A top computer scientist has a math heavy background. Should be fairly obvious if the election results in those counties have a standard deviation well outside the norm. Trump supporters might wave that off as chance, but based on how heavily altered the data is, it might be painfully obvious.

A number of online poker websites were shut down because specific winners of tournaments math data showed that they statistically called or folded on hands that no other players would. Math is the best way to out cheaters.

There is no evidence, per the article. What likely happened is that exit polls in those areas were way wrong, but the math geeks want say they were way right. So they went fishing. What they caught was a nasty gar fish with a side of confirmation bias. Enjoy!

 

[fskimospy]

Nope, no evidence that this happened. Nate Silver tested this and when you control for race and education (as you should) the effect of paper vs. electronic ballots totally disappears (p value of .992 = absolutely nothing)