Electric race cars

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I saw a video a few days ago about Formula E racing. These are electric powered race cars that look like Formula 1 cars. I was reminded about how all the car fanatics in this forum 15 years ago were all about stick shift and big engines. I doubt any of them are here these days but I wonder what they think. The fastest race cars of today have automatic transmissions (everything in them is computer controlled) and electric powered. These are about as far away from the cars all these die hards used to swear by.
 

ultimatebob

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The big engine and stick shift guys watch NASCAR stock car racing, so they wouldn't care about Formula E.

Personally, I don't think that Formula E is "Eco" enough! The teams should have to provide their own power using solar or wind, and they should have to use recycled tires.
 

Thebobo

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Also just like other forms of car racing the new strides in technology will trickle down to consumer electric cars. It's a win win.
 

Scarpozzi

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Everyone on ATOT were Nissan Maxima fanboys except for Chiboy....who was sporting a Daewoo.
 

Captante

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Automatic's get better gas mileage nowadays in most case's as well as being quicker, plus they tend to last far longer then a manual clutch.
 

Thebobo

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Automatic's get better gas mileage nowadays in most case's as well as being quicker, plus they tend to last far longer then a manual clutch.

yea back in the day I went through a lot of clutch plates...
 

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The fastest race cars of today have automatic transmissions (everything in them is computer controlled) and electric powered.

nope. formula E cars are slow. F1 cars would destroy them.

(in before F1 cars are hybrids)
 

ultimatebob

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Everyone on ATOT were Nissan Maxima fanboys except for Chiboy....who was sporting a Daewoo.

I remember the Infinity G35 and Subaru WRX being the "cool kid" cars early on in the days of ATOT.

I had an Audi A4 back then, so I guess that I didn't follow the pack back then, either.
 

Thebobo

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nope. formula E cars are slow. F1 cars would destroy them.

(in before F1 cars are hybrids)

True for now but that's the good thing about competition it breeds innovation and over time FE will smoke anything imo.
 

Captante

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Yeah, right now the Tesla crew can outrun a lot of fast cars in the 1/4 mile, but still get smoked at the 1/2 mile mark. Instant torque can only help so much when your car weighs a ton because of the battery pack in it.


If I'm not mistaken the current Nurburgring fastest lap is by a hybrid Porsche 919 but the 2ed fastest is an all-electric called the VW ID-R.


Holy engine-whine!
 

Scarpozzi

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I remember the Infinity G35 and Subaru WRX being the "cool kid" cars early on in the days of ATOT.

I had an Audi A4 back then, so I guess that I didn't follow the pack back then, either.
WRX was basically a 200hp Civic.

The G35 was just an elevated Nissan for those not into the 350z. The 300zx TT was way better than the reboot.
 

ultimatebob

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WRX was basically a 200hp Civic.

Well... the early 2000's WRX was literally a turbocharged Subaru Impreza, a sub $19,000 compact car at the time. You couldn't even get leather seats in them back then. The Honda Civics back then probably had better build quality.
 
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MotoGP is starting to introduce E-bikes. They are fast as heck...and eerily quiet.

No as fast as the Premier Class bikes...but they still haul butt.
 

Fritzo

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Electric racing is going to swap the focus from engine HP over to power delivery systems. Since electric motors give ooooooodles of torque, the big challenge is going to be keeping the tires stuck to the ground. This will probably lead to huge suspension advancements.
 

Captante

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Battery-life in terms of both holding a charge for a longer race and even more so in linear power-delivery as charge drains are going to be problems.

In the VW/Nurburgring video I posted there appears to be a significant drop-off in power during the second half of the record-setting lap as charge is depleted.
 

Scarpozzi

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Well... the early 2000's WRX was literally a turbocharged Subaru Impreza, a sub $19,000 compact car at the time. You couldn't even get leather seats in them back then. The Honda Civics back then probably had better build quality.
Yeah. In its stock form, it had a head start on mods for street racing. I just never was much of a Subaru fan...I have nothing against them.....just never owned one. I really don't think I've ever been in one.
 
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F1 will go electric before FE overtakes it.

Doubt it. Simple battery breakthrough and Formula E would almost instantly become faster. I think the two will merge, but I expect F1 to be dragged kicking and screaming to it. Maybe not since Bernie no longer controls it, but the writing's on the wall and F1 is known for the incessant handwringing about new rules. Most teams will probably just switch since half of them are already sick of always being relegated to 2nd class due to Ferrari and Mercedes.

The other issue is, the diehard F1 fans bitch and moan about the cars not sounding like the old V10s. They're not gonna be pleased with electric drive.

WRX was basically a 200hp Civic.

The G35 was just an elevated Nissan for those not into the 350z. The 300zx TT was way better than the reboot.

Its a bit more than that, WRX has AWD. Which, that even didn't used to be that rare. The Eagle/Dodge/Mitsu cars (Eclipse/Talon, Stealth/3000GT), Lancer Evo and the GT-Four Celicas offered that (and of course the GT-R). The latter even had some of the rally pedigree that was part of the reason the Lancer Evo and WRX/STi were so beloved. I think its Top Gear (as those others were all in Gran Turismo, and many were in other games, but they were still around when Top Gear's popularity skyrocketed).

The 300ZX is overlooked for some reason. I wouldn't say its better than the 350Z especially relative to the other vehicles of the time (the 350Z had much worse competition), but Nissan has let the Z languish badly (as they have with the GT-R) and while I like the look of the 370Z its old and an overpriced pig of a sports car. Which, I think Nissan was hit worse than most by consumers ditching cars for SUVs. Now, we might end up with some conglomerate of the worst US, European, and Japanese brands.

Well... the early 2000's WRX was literally a turbocharged Subaru Impreza, a sub $19,000 compact car at the time. You couldn't even get leather seats in them back then. The Honda Civics back then probably had better build quality.

Er, that's what they've always been and still are and why they had such appeal. Maybe, but its not like anyone had that spectacular of quality, and I'd take simple and reliable over too much electronic crap and leather. Honda had good reliability (and quality as far as the materials of the day were). Subaru wasn't that far off though.

Battery-life in terms of both holding a charge for a longer race and even more so in linear power-delivery as charge drains are going to be problems.

In the VW/Nurburgring video I posted there appears to be a significant drop-off in power during the second half of the record-setting lap as charge is depleted.

I didn't notice any dropoff. I think what you're seeing is it lacking top speed on the straightaways. It tops out at like 170mph or so as they either didn't put in any gearing or its just a simple 2 speed setup.
 

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Doubt it. Simple battery breakthrough and Formula E would almost instantly become faster. I think the two will merge, but I expect F1 to be dragged kicking and screaming to it. Maybe not since Bernie no longer controls it, but the writing's on the wall and F1 is known for the incessant handwringing about new rules. Most teams will probably just switch since half of them are already sick of always being relegated to 2nd class due to Ferrari and Mercedes.

The other issue is, the diehard F1 fans bitch and moan about the cars not sounding like the old V10s. They're not gonna be pleased with electric drive.
go electric, merge, whatever. it'll be called F1 and williams will be in it, mercedes will be in it, nissan/renault will be in it.
 
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