Elementary student brings pot to school to turn in his parents

[Narmer]

keep your fucking nanny state in your own little corner of your world. Me? i want my freedom to do what the hell i want. if I choose to do a drug its none of the governments fracking business.

Yes it is. You are the government's responsibility. If you don't like it, start your own government.

 

[lupi]

I would like to ask the people that don't support marijuana legalization one thing: On what basis should it be illegal? I would like a single, specific argument - not a knee jerk reaction based on what you were taught growing up.

Because it makes you high
Because it's bad
Because it makes you lazy
Because it funds terrorism

Are not valid arguments.

heller

 

[Narmer]

Maybe you should do a little reading on a main principle our nation was founded on.

Maybe you should. As with everything, there are limits.

 

[qliveur]

It's a gateway drug in more ways than one. What happened to China could happen to America. Hell, what happened to America at the end of the 19th Century and the beginning of the 20th Century when 20% of all housewives were addicted to drugs could happen again if we start legalizing them. No responsible government should let it's people harm themselves.

Wow. You're repeating a government anti-pot video practically word for word. It's also complete bullshit. The real gateway drug is tobacco.

I would like to ask the people that don't support marijuana legalization one thing: On what basis should it be illegal? I would like a single, specific argument - not a knee jerk reaction based on what you were taught growing up.

Because it makes you high
Because it's bad
Because it makes you lazy
Because it funds terrorism

Are not valid arguments.

heller

Uh-oh. Valid argument found.

 

[Numenorean]

Awesome. Give him a gold star!

 

[Ns1]

Wow. You're repeating a government anti-pot video practically word for word. It's also complete bullshit. The real gateway drug is tobacco.

Narmer thinks the government should wipe your ass with 5 ply toilet paper. don't mind him. it's their job to protect us from dingle berries.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

America (i.e. the Onassis family) introduced opium to China a couple hundred years ago. This drug turned a large portion of the population into useless druggies, unable and unwilling to farm. It basically disabled the entire country.

To say that it is an individual's right to consume narcotics if they choose is correct. However, if so many individuals choose to exercise that right, it can become a social problem on a large scale with significant impact on the lives of all citizens.

This is where the need for laws to restrict such socially impairing behavior become necessary.

Fail...

British exports of opium to China grew from an estimated 15 tons in 1730 to 75 tons in 1773.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars

America (USA) hadn't been formed at that time...

 

[Narmer]

You pick men to lead you. Don't get mad when they tell you what to do.

 

[ShawnD1]

When is this fucking country going to realize that pot is less dangerous than alcohol? All of the old people in our government that still think that pot is evil because of the way that the government brainwashed them when they were young (with videos like "Reefer Madness") need to die already so we can get rid of the ridiculous laws against pot.

It's not just the idea that pot is bad, but the idea that people are retarded and completely incapable of making their own choices. The people who think you're incapable of trying marijuana, not liking it, then never doing it again are the exact same people as the ones who put "warning: may contain nuts" on a bag of nuts. Obviously you're too stupid to know that nuts are nuts, so there must be a warning on it to protect you from your own stupidity.

And don't say the warning nuts thing is to prevent lawsuits. Ask yourself why those lawsuits actually get off the ground. It's because those lawsuits actually have a chance of winning. Out there, some judge has decided that average people are too stupid to know that nuts are nuts and therefore it's a legitimate lawsuit that shouldn't just be thrown out immediately.

 

[zoiks]

Let's cut the bullshit. Recreational weed smokers aren't doing it for "health" reasons. They do it to get high.

And heroin is an even better pain killer. Most people don't use it for that purpose either. And neither should be done around kids.

Well said.

 

[alkemyst]

If it were legal the necessity of a stash is dubious...

But it's not. Potheads love to comment on how what they do "would" be legal.

Add in: prostitution, dog fighting, etc

 

[Narmer]

Wow. You're repeating a government anti-pot video practically word for word. It's also complete bullshit. The real gateway drug is tobacco.

Uh-oh. Valid argument found.

Government knows more than you. They represent more than you. Your will does not override those of society. If a man wants to squander his family's money on drugs and whores, would you tell him to go ahead or would you make him do the right thing for his family? Government is the latter. It focuses on the long term at the expense of the short.

 

[lxskllr]

LMAO! Such a good little communist :^D

I know you aren't gonna give me a straight answer, but are you just trolling, or do you really believe that horseshit? :^D

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Yet no one has issue with their kids hanging around while grilling meat, using a fireplace, or going to church. The second hand smoke stuff is blown WAY out of proportion. It /may/ matter if you have a house of full time smokers, but one person smoking cigarettes, or 2 people smoking weed in the usual quantities doesn't matter.

Grilling: Outside

Fireplace: Vents Outside

Church: No Physical harm. Mental "harm" is questionable as even harm and nothing that's not sloughed off. Many people who grew up religious even on this forum sloughed it off when they were older.

In other words, your argument is not only ridiculous, its not even logical, so you just effectively slaughtered yourself as far as trying to make a point anyone would actually listen to.

I don't care about smokers, pot smokers, drinkers, and anyone else taking any myriad of substances in an attempt to escape the harshness that is the day to day. That should be a PERSONAL choice however and not involve anyone other non-consenting person, whether adult or child. But I'm also all for choice. Which is why I have no problem with restaurants or public buildings allowing smoking. People who don't like that can eat or shop elsewhere. However, in the situation of a minor in a household, that person has no such choice. And your point about second-hand smoke being blown out of proportion just shows how your "points" have no basis in reality. I was *never* bothered by cigarette smoke (though I hated the smell), but my brother, who had bad asthma as a young kid, would get thrown into an asthma attack if he wasn't watching where he was going and walked past someone smoking. Someone like him likely would have ended up dead or severely debilitated if he were forced to live in a household surrounded by smoking.

 

[Ns1]

Government knows more than you. They represent more than you. Your will does not override those of society. If a man wants to squander his family's money on drugs and whores, would you tell him to go ahead or would you make him do the right thing for his family? Government is the latter. It focuses on the long term at the expense of the short.

sounds like china! forced education through labor!

I thought this was america, where I could sit in my room and jack off all day if I wanted to.

 

[lxskllr]

Grilling: Outside

Fireplace: Vents Outside

Church: No Physical harm. Mental "harm" is questionable as even harm and nothing that's not sloughed off. Many people who grew up religious even on this forum sloughed it off when they were older.

In other words, your argument is not only ridiculous, its not even logical, so you just effectively slaughtered yourself as far as trying to make a point anyone would actually listen to.

I don't care about smokers, pot smokers, drinkers, and anyone else taking any myriad of substances in an attempt to escape the harshness that is the day to day. That should be a PERSONAL choice however and not involve anyone other non-consenting person, whether adult or child. But I'm also all for choice. Which is why I have no problem with restaurants or public buildings allowing smoking. People who don't like that can eat or shop elsewhere. However, in the situation of a minor in a household, that person has no such choice. And your point about second-hand smoke being blown out of proportion just shows how your "points" have no basis in reality. I was *never* bothered by cigarette smoke (though I hated the smell), but my brother, who had bad asthma as a young kid, would get thrown into an asthma attack if he wasn't watching where he was going and walked past someone smoking. Someone like him likely would have ended up dead or severely debilitated if he were forced to live in a household surrounded by smoking.

You've obviously never used a fireplace, and you've obviously never been in church. I'll give you half credit for the grilling, but you obviously don't cook your own food either :^D

 

[PlasmaBomb]

I have a question for those in the alcohol = marijuana camp that think ignoring the laws is okay.

What is your opinion about sexual relationships between questionable ages?

Is there a difference between a 25-year-old having sex with an 18-year-old and someone who is 17 the day before their birthday?

Is one okay but the other isn't? Are both okay? Are both not okay? Explain.

(Not trying to start a flame war, but I'm curious how positions transfer into other issues)

Both are fine... the legal age of consent is 16 here. Hell it's 16 in a fair amount of the US as well...

 

[simonizor]

You pick men to lead you. Don't get mad when they tell you what to do.

Sure, we pick who leads us, but we pick them based on lies. They all make up some story about how they're going to change everything and make it all better, but what happens when they get elected? They vote with the rest of their party and don't give a fuck about us for 4 years until it's time to get re-elected. Then they put on their nice face again and kiss everyone's ass.

The whole belonging to a political party thing needs to go out the door. Our elected officials need to think for themselves; not let the party that they join make the decisions for them.

 

[chusteczka]

Fail...

America (USA) hadn't been formed at that time...

Yes, my mistake has been covered already. I find it interesting that people are quick to pounce on an off topic mistake rather than my previous comment on the police use of children to turn in their own families.

 

[ShawnD1]

But it's not. Potheads love to comment on how what they do "would" be legal.

Add in: prostitution, dog fighting, etc

Sorry brah, prostitution is legal. Well, at least it is in places that appreciate freedom. Nevada, Canada?, England??, Germany , Darnmark, Hungary, Netherlands, Austria, Greece, and the list goes on and on.

Potheads can't get involved in dog fighting because they can't remember which dog they bet on :awe:

 

[chusteczka]

Dislike for drugs does not relate to approval of governmental control.
Just like drug legalization does not relate to governmental disobedience.

These are completely distinct topics.

 

[qliveur]

You pick men to lead you. Don't get mad when they tell you what to do.

I damn well do have a right to get mad when I'm pigeon-holed into choosing between bad and worse (or dumb and dumber) every two years.

Government knows more than you.

About me and my personal wants and needs? I think not.

They represent more than you.

They only represent what's best for them and whoever happens to be lining their pockets at the moment; not the citizenry. Not ever.

Your will does not override those of society.

Conversely, society doesn't override my will. I don't owe society jack shit.

If a man wants to squander his family's money on drugs and whores, would you tell him to go ahead or would you make him do the right thing for his family?

I would mind my own fucking business.

Government is the latter. It focuses on the long term at the expense of the short.

The only thing it's focused on in the past 75 years or so is expanding its own power at the expense of our liberty.

 

[ShawnD1]

I would mind my own fucking business.

Narmer honestly expected you to say you would put a gun to his head and force him to make the right choice. Not just give advice but to threaten him if he didn't do it your way. I don't know if it's funny or scary D:



If I were in charge, things would change around here. People caught doing stupid shit like inhaling smoke from some random plant would be rounded up and put into organized rape facilities where.. oh...... I'll go check on things that aren't already true :hmm:

 

[Nik]

11 and in 5th grade? Not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Just another mindless bot.

Males do better in school when you start them at 6 in kindergarten instead of at 5. Nothing wrong with being 11 in 5th grade.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

You've obviously never used a fireplace, and you've obviously never been in church. I'll give you half credit for the grilling, but you obviously don't cook your own food either :^D

Used a fireplace. Hell, I spend 2 months out of the year in a home that has a fireplace as its main form of heating.

I grew up going to church every Sunday.

I grilled 2-3 times a week over the summer (because I can cook).

I've had to cook all my own meals as soon as I left home (like a college student can really afford pigging out on fast food all the time). But my family had me helping cook in the kitchen at age 8 and cooking at least one meal a day starting at age 13 and moved on up from there. I have *no* problems cooking my own food.

I want to think you're just trolling because considering you're likely older than me I highly doubt you're as inexperienced or simply unlearned as you're coming across as. :hmm: