Yep...same regurgitated, brainless, atheist quotes I've seen circling the internet for quite a while.
Well, at least you can talk from personal experience.
One does need the false promise of heaven to see the value in good deeds, solidarity, or respectable morals and ethics.
Have no doubt; I received the brainwashing that is Christianity 101 as a youth. Had loads of fun at the church picnics, getting all dressed up as an acolyte and processing with the cross or diocesan flag, watching the various priests copping a buzz from ablutions, checking out the gals and wondering just what was under those cassocks.
Then one day on a field trip with our priest, visiting temples, cathedrals, the basilica and other places of worship; as we listened to him explaining the various faiths, it dawned on me that all the various faiths were teaching the same basic ideas just with different casts of characters. And lo and behold I was freed from the chains of organized religion.
So yeah, I'll critique Christianity and it's followers as and when I please.
Yep...same regurgitated, brainless, atheist quotes I've seen circling the internet for quite a while.
Well, at least you can talk from personal experience.
This fits in here:
Carl Sagan on self deception:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8P1Y1a7-L4
May it serve more purpose than reassuring atheists and a continuation of theists digging in their heels.
That's a lie and you know it....but we are more interested in what is the truth of it.
I'm sure the same arguments were once made for Zeus, Thor, and a myriad of other gods. IOW, we understand that is what you Believe, but we are more interested in what is the truth of it.
That's a lie and you know it....
All you are interested in is trying to put down what he believes is the truth.......
Your interest is not your interest at all! What you want is for him to get personal about what he believes so that you can try to tear his beliefs apart!
Why do you say that. Some of the most brilliant thinkers of today and years past have believed in God. I highly doubt such people blindly follow anything. Instead, they would carry out an in depth examination of such a belief and decide for themselves whether to accept God or not.
Of course there are many smart people who reject God. I doubt they also simply blindly followed what their parents taught.
I don't disagree that there have been 'brilliant thinkers' who have been religious in the past. But that's not what's occurring here.
Thoughts?
Why do you say that. Some of the most brilliant thinkers of today and years past have believed in God. I highly doubt such people blindly follow anything. Instead, they would carry out an in depth examination of such a belief and decide for themselves whether to accept God or not.
Of course there are many smart people who reject God. I doubt they also simply blindly followed what their parents taught.
That's an easy question to answer......when everything is said and done, all will become very clear one way or the other....But you can't differentiate your god from other religious deities. So if christians know they are following the right god, the only real god, how do they know all the others are false and their god is right? From an atheist point of view they're all equally silly stories.
Obviously followers of other religions feel that they are just as correct in their religious views as christians are. On 9/11 there were a group of muslims so sure of their beliefs that they were willing to kill and die for it. What makes christianity right? What differentiates it from other religions that have far out stories that you dismiss? Other religions can't provide any evidence of their miraculous stories either, why should someone buy into christianity when it appears to be the same thing as all the other religions that you and I both agree are false?
As time marches on and we learn more those 'brilliant thinkers' leave religion for those that don't want to think, or don't know how.
I don't disagree that there have been 'brilliant thinkers' who have been religious in the past. But that's not what's occurring here. It's not as if you or Rob have reviewed each of the major religions in-depth, and decided that Christianity was likely to be the 'truest' of the bunch. In reality, you believe it because you were born in the US, where it was likely your friends/family believed in the same thing.
I believe Dphantom you mentioned that you became more devout while to going through a hard time in your life (which I think is fine!). But if you were born in India, you may have been leaning on Hindu texts for support, instead of the bible.
Rob is correct in saying that my position doesn't disprove the Christian God, or any Gods. But at the very least, it should make you/him ask yourself WHY you hold your beliefs so dearly, when they're clearly a product of circumstance, convenience, and many other factors.
Thoughts?
But you can't differentiate your god from other religious deities. So if christians know they are following the right god, the only real god, how do they know all the others are false and their god is right? From an atheist point of view they're all equally silly stories.
Obviously followers of other religions feel that they are just as correct in their religious views as christians are. On 9/11 there were a group of muslims so sure of their beliefs that they were willing to kill and die for it. What makes christianity right? What differentiates it from other religions that have far out stories that you dismiss? Other religions can't provide any evidence of their miraculous stories either, why should someone buy into christianity when it appears to be the same thing as all the other religions that you and I both agree are false?
more atheist talking points.......doh....A Rational Argument for God’s Existence (Christianity vs. Buddhism)
Premise 1 Every design implies a designer.
Premise 2 The universe has a great design.
Conclusion The universe has a great designer.
This logical syllogism is called a Modus Ponens argument and it is deductive in nature. In other words, if premise 1 & 2 are true than the conclusion MUST FOLLOW. Notice that both premise 1 & 2 can be and have been tested via correspondence and established as absolutely true.
This argument establishes God’s existence and serves to lift Christianity as truth and Buddhism as false.
Seriously?
more atheist talking points.......doh....
A Rational Argument for Gods Existence (Christianity vs. Buddhism)
Premise 1 Every design implies a designer.
Premise 2 The universe has a great design.
Conclusion The universe has a great designer.
This logical syllogism is called a Modus Ponens argument and it is deductive in nature. In other words, if premise 1 & 2 are true than the conclusion MUST FOLLOW. Notice that both premise 1 & 2 can be and have been tested via correspondence and established as absolutely true.
This argument establishes Gods existence and serves to lift Christianity as truth and Buddhism as false.
Seriously?
Read the section titled "The Case for Jesus the Messiah"... it's terrible.
I have been watching a lot of this lately for some good elevated Theist/Atheist discussion. Lots of good discussion and the host has a Theism that doesn't suck.
Many here probably have already watched one segment of a show made by this channel before. That would be when Sye Ten Bruggencate walked off after having his ass handed to him.
The whole page is garbage. The method of analyzing truthfulness is beyond ridiculous.
If you're gonna decide that Christianity is true and other religions are false, you need to get to a higher level than to claim there is a deity and call the complexity of the universe as proof to disprove Buddhism (which isn't even a religion to begin with) because Buddhism rejects the idea of deity.
Religious people can't be objective because their opinion is biased by faith, which is irrational. A Christian/Jew/Muslim/Hindu will always find his/her religion to be true because it's what they believe to be true. When asked to rationalize the choice of which religion to follow, you turn to arguments like the one above.
You've already shown you are incapable of discussing the subject, you don't need to do it again. We get it.
So this is how non-stamp collecting isn't a hobby -- gathering in stamp collecting threads telling stamp collectors how to not collect stamps.
You guys function like a religious group.
So this is how non-stamp collecting isn't a hobby -- gathering in stamp collecting threads telling stamp collectors how to not collect stamps.
You guys function like a religious group.
Religious people can't be objective because their opinion is biased by faith, which is irrational.
Faith is absolutely not irrational. In Christianity, what is translated as "faith" is actually better translated as "trust" or "belief" if one goes back to the Greek or "trustworthy" if one uses the Hebrew.
So while you may disagree and reject God, we are not by any means irrational.