Not true. Completion percentages are up in the last 10 years due to defensive rule changes. 70% completion percentage when Elway played was extremely difficult. Now there are quite a few QB's capable of that.
Haha, Warner is an idiot. By his logic, John Elway, Terry Bradshaw, Otto Graham and countless other QB's shouldn't be in the HOF with their completion pct and QB rating.
Eli = more successful version of Tebow.
You = not even a football fan.You=Butthurt SF fan.
You=Butthurt SF fan.
Eli is far better than Tim Tebow. Did Tebow have 5k yards? No. It takes more than comebacks to be considered elite. Eli has comebacks+Superbowl MVPs+Superbowl Comebacks+5k yards. He also carried his team to the playoffs despite 29th ranked defense and 32nd ranked running game.
Also, Kurt Warner's idea of a HOF QB is different for everyone else's. Manning is a playoff monster. He just steps up his game in the playoffs plain and simple. He also has one of the best QB ratings in the 4th quarter, broke the 4th quarter touchdown record, and had six 4th quarter comebacks this season. That alone qualifies him to be in the hall of fame. You take one of those comebacks away and the Giants wouldn't even be in the playoffs.
You obviously don't get the parallel, so by laughing, you realllly are showing your stupidity.haha people are seriously comparing Eli to Tebow. Christ what stupidity.
You obviously don't get the parallel, so by laughing, you realllly are showing your stupidity.
Fact that the top teams beat themselves and the Giants stumbled to the top, but, of course you in your infinite wisdom will see it differently.
Christ, what stupidity!
Holy shit are you that dense? Even after I fucking spelled it out for you?haha, yep you figured it out.
Eli is a solid QB....and is LIGHTYEARS better than Tebow. Every GM to ever exist or ever may exist would take Eli 10000000x over Tebow.
My theory holds strong as ever: you can tell if someone knows anything about football by their stance on Tebow. Thanks for contributing sir
5000 yards? Yes, he threw for a lot of yards this year. He had more pass attempt this season than any other point in his career. The entire league had more passing yards this year too though. I am not meaning to make light of 5000 yards, it is a great accomplishment, but it is not the same accomplishment it was 10 years ago. I bet we see another 5k guy next year, maybe a few.
Eli passed for 5000 yards. He has the ability to get his team scores. He played with the 29th ranked defense and 32nd ranked running game. Give him a little slack for not getting enough scores when he played with such a horrible defense and running game.Let's take every element you named here.
Eli has comebacks, that's great. He is clutch, but as I've told you ad nauseum, he is in the position to have more comebacks because he doesn't do a great job of giving his team the lead in the first 3 quarters. This is the exact same problem Tebow had that everyone criticized!!!
Big Ben in his first Superbowl. Deion Branch. Was Trent Dilfer ever superbowl MVP? You need to be special to win the superbowl MVP, and the only reason Eli won both is because he brought them from behind against a superior Patriots team to win. He did do something special in both games.Super Bowl MVPs are typically given to the QB. When it is a team game and it takes an entire effort and no one player stands out, it is almost always given to the QB. Hell, you'd have to play pretty bad as a QB or have someone do amazing to not win the MVP. Nothing surprising about that.
He played with a horrible running game. The only reason the giants were in the playoffs is cause he carried them with his yardage.5000 yards? Yes, he threw for a lot of yards this year. He had more pass attempt this season than any other point in his career. The entire league had more passing yards this year too though. I am not meaning to make light of 5000 yards, it is a great accomplishment, but it is not the same accomplishment it was 10 years ago. I bet we see another 5k guy next year, maybe a few.
Wow, I was just reading PFR's article on 4th quarter comebacks vs. game-winning drives and it's more complicated than I thought:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=3401
So you do have situations where the team is trailing at some point in the 4th quarter and then they come from behind to win. But not every game-winning drive is a 4th quarter comeback, and not every 4th quarter comeback is a game-winning drive. For instance, some quarterbacks are credited with comebacks despite their team never trailing during the game (they were just tied). Others are credited despite never taking the field while losing; for instance, their team is losing at some point in the 4th quarter but a score by the defense or special teams produces the game-winning points.
I think he means 4th quarter touchdowns. He did break that record. He got 15. What does that mean? If he defense keeps the game within 6 going into the 4th, the Giants have a very good chance of winning with Eli at the helm.
hypothetical scenario -
A QB played his entire career with Jerry Rice, Randy Moss and Michael Irvin at WR, and Shannon Sharpe at Tight End, and had an O-Line that consistently gave him 6+ seconds of protection in the pocket. An identical QB (same size, physical ability, thought processes etc...exact clone) played his entire career with WR/TEs that would ride the bench on most NFL teams and only got 3-4 seconds of protection in the pocket. Will one of them be considered an Elite Hall of Fame QB and the other not?
Put the Eli Manning of 2012 on the Patriots roster for 2007. Does Eli throw 50 TDs like Brady did? I think there's a pretty good chance that he does.
has anyone bothered defining what elite is considered? are we comparing with current nfl qbs? or are we talking all time hall of fame credentials?
if its the former, if starting a new team with the ability to take any qb and taking age/injury out of it. who do you pick before eli? rodgers, brees, brady, P manning for sure. eli/big ben/rivers? maybe you argue order a bit but any of those qb's is capable of a super bowl run and lends themselves to not having to worry about the qb slot.
Nope, I'd take current Eli over current Peyton. The stats in my post (2010 Peyton vs 2011 Eli) show that Eli is currently the better Manning by a mile.
Brees vs Eli, a tossup since Eli had a better Yards Per Attempt in Brees record breaking year. More Pass attempts/pass heavy O doesn't mean Brees is the better QB.
Rodgers and Brady are the only ones I'd take over Eli. Rodgers' 9.25 YPA in 2011 was just downright sick and nobody was close to him. Brady has the experience and continuous track record of success with high performance.
has anyone bothered defining what elite is considered? are we comparing with current nfl qbs? or are we talking all time hall of fame credentials?
if its the former, if starting a new team with the ability to take any qb and taking age/injury out of it. who do you pick before eli? rodgers, brees, brady, P manning for sure. eli/big ben/rivers? maybe you argue order a bit but any of those qb's is capable of a super bowl run and lends themselves to not having to worry about the qb slot.
all time is a different story. 2 super bowl rings and a gaudy away playoff record helps. he's had a very good season this year but isnt a shoe in yet. if he has another couple of good years with a sprinkling of playoff victories, now we're talking hall of fame shoe in.
he's a great qb, definitely one of the tops in the league currently. will he be a hall of famer? we'll see.