Elio motors. 3 wheeler car that promises 84 mpg and $6800

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wirednuts

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Based on the numerous impaired and distracted drivers, definitely an important consideration . . video example.

hey cool vid. that happened to me about 10 years ago. i was stopped, looked back in my mirror and it was just filling up with jeep. freaked me out for a second then BAM. took my whole trunk into my back seat. my neck hurt for a week. their insurance offered $500 for the "pain and suffering" and i just said "OK"
 

waggy

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Specs of the vehicle (from Jerome Vassallo, VP of Elio):

3 cylinders, 1 liter size, 70 hp engine, can go up to 107 mph, 0-60 in the low 9 seconds, 84 MPG on the highway, 5 star crash rating.

Power windows, lock, AC, AM/FM stereo radio. All of that for $6,800 (for now, subject to change).

In 2009, Paul Elio tried to sell his idea to Michigan but the state and local folks turned him down. We will see if he will make this work or Louisiana would waste all of their money (over 100 million dollars so far) down the drain.

If any of you want this, you can put a deposit on this car, from $100 to $1,000 dollars. Come on, AT high rollers.

IF the 5 star crash rateing is legit (doubt it. though possible). for $7k it would be a great vehicle. I would really consider it actually.
 

Kaido

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A buddy just introduced me to these today, glad to find a thread on it. I like it! Neat idea. Assuming:

1. They can meet the $6,800 price
2. It's actually a 5-star car
3. They don't just take your deposit & disappear

There's not a ton of publicity, which seems unusual for someone making as unique of a startup as this. My buddy already has the go-ahead from his wife to buy one; I'm considering putting the $100 down because this would be perfect for me (50-mile daily commute by myself, mostly highway). Assuming they don't take your money and run, haha. I like all of the features:

1. Made in America
2. 80% commodity parts with Pep Boys for support
3. 84 MPG & 8-gallon tank
4. Great in snow
5. Unique design (seating, trike, etc.)
6. Incredibly affordable
7. 5-star crash test rating expected
8. Standard features (power windows, A/C, etc.)

It basically looks like a new-gen Prius but slimmed down a bit. Sign me up! :awe:
 

Mr. Pedantic

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Only really realistic as a replacement for an existing car. Gas prices aren't high enough yet to really justify such a special purpose car, and I doubt many would be happy with it as an only car. The worst thing to me is that its not physically that small for its strange configuration. Its almost as long as a compact and still fairly wide. That means there isn't really any huge parking advantage for urban use. If they had done no back seat to limit the length it really would be a better vehicle.

I dunno, I think they could be good in certain circumstances. Like, my Uncle has a Leaf as a lease from his company, and normally the Leaf wouldn't be worth it cost-wise, but they have free charging at his workplace and he only pays around $100 a month for the lease, so overall it's cheaper than driving his own normal car.

I think this might be the same deal, if someone would subsidise the car for you and you drive a lot (i.e. you'd get a lot out of the fuel efficiency) then it would be worth it.
 

Kaido

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I dunno, I think they could be good in certain circumstances. Like, my Uncle has a Leaf as a lease from his company, and normally the Leaf wouldn't be worth it cost-wise, but they have free charging at his workplace and he only pays around $100 a month for the lease, so overall it's cheaper than driving his own normal car.

I think this might be the same deal, if someone would subsidise the car for you and you drive a lot (i.e. you'd get a lot out of the fuel efficiency) then it would be worth it.

Really? This seems extremely practical as a commuter car for me. I drive alone, a drive a reasonable distance (~50 miles), it's supposed to have a 5-star safety rating, it gets great gas mileage, and it's extremely affordable. Even if you had to get a loan on it, it'd only be like $120 a month haha. I'd save that much in gas from my regular car!
 

Kaido

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They're using Wordpress for their blog, a bit unusual for a car company:

http://eliomotors.wordpress.com/

So far my only hesitation, other than possible "vaporwheels" status, is the lack of a spare tire. They said a patch kit will be available. I supposed you could keep one in the rear passenger seat, but that's probably not such a great idea in the event of an accident (boing!). I'd also primarily use this as a work commuting car, so I guess it's not a huge deal if a tire gets blown out since I only work like 25 miles away. Also an interesting bit on the financing:

Andrew C. - 05/05 at 10:07 am – “I realize that the credit card form of payment may still be in development. Will it be possible to choose that payment method and put money down, such as 3 or 4 thousand and then pay the balance on the card as proposed by fueling up? Also, if someone chose the credit card option, can they make progress payments at any time on the card to pay off faster? Thanks.”

Thanks Andrew and the other folks that left similar comments. We anticipate having many different financing options available for our Elio customers. The process should be very similar to buying a car today (except much easier and more pleasant). You choose your vehicle and go to “check out.” There you will have options available to finance your vehicle from paying cash to financing. We will work with our banks and partners to find the best solution for you. The other option that we have talked about is the credit card program. The details have not been finalized yet (minimums, interest rates, terms etc.) but the concept is still viable. Elio is the only one that can pull this off because of our economics. Here is how it works: You come get your Elio and a Elio credit card. Then, you go buy gas and let’s say it costs $20. You will see a charge of $60 on your credit card on the monthly statement. Of that $60, $20 goes to pay the gas company and the other $40 goes toward your loan amount. So, if you drive enough miles, you can pay off your Elio without feeling it in your pocket because you are already accustomed to paying $60 or more every time you fill up. Plus with Elio you will fill up less to drive more! Simple and brilliant! Stay tuned for details.

That's actually a pretty freaking brilliant idea, especially since I just bought a new car recently & am making payments on it. But my car only gets 28 MPG highway & this gets 84, which is triple what I'm getting now. Or you could probably just whip out a standard credit card & purchase the card like that
 
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Kaido

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IF the 5 star crash rateing is legit (doubt it. though possible). for $7k it would be a great vehicle. I would really consider it actually.

For sure, if it's safe, that would absolutely put it on my radar. I do have two concerns tho:

1. Lightweight
2. IIHS ratings

It's only like 1200 or 1300 pounds. If I get hit by a 4,000-pound Volvo, I'm willing to bet that a 5-star rating would mean a lot less vs. that huge mass, especially if there's a car in front of you & you become a mini-car sandwich. Also, I don't like the IIHS rating system for small cars. Check this out:

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/news/desktopnews/minicars-fall-short-for-small-overlap-frontal-protection

The 2014 Chevy Spark gets a "Top Safety Pick" despite only getting an "acceptable" rating in kinematics & restraints and a "marginal" rating in structure. That is VERY misleading to me - that doesn't compare to other Top Safety Pick cars that are green all the way across, that only compares to that specific class of small cars. And even the IIHS recognizes that in their explanation: (which doesn't stop them from labeling it a TSP)

Consumers should remember that the Spark, while offering more small overlap protection than other minicars, weighs less than 2,500 pounds and doesn't protect as well as a larger and heavier vehicle with a comparable rating. Frontal crash test results can't be compared across weight classes.

In addition, neither the Spark nor the other minicars in the test group offer front crash prevention, an increasingly common safety feature that can prevent or mitigate some kinds of frontal crashes. For 2014, vehicles must be available with front crash prevention to qualify for the highest safety award from IIHS, TOP SAFETY PICK+.

Oh really? So it doesn't compare to other cars in actual safety, so you gave it a Top Safety Pick anyway? Baloney. That is incredibly deceitful
 

Kaido

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http://gas2.org/2013/05/13/elio-motors-still-thinks-it-can-sell-a-3-wheeler-why-it-cant/

Article has a pretty important point that may keep me from buying one.

The Elio will be classified as a motorcycle. Unless CA passes a "5 star crash rated fully enclosed motorcycle" law, I'm going to need to wear a helmet inside the enclosed cabin. I'm not sure how I'll feel about that during an hour commute. Would that be comfortable?

Here is a map of where helmets are required:

http://i.imgur.com/FG5F2ZO.png

There's only 5 states on there that require it if you're over 21 years old, and I bet over time that would disappear. The Elio team said that it's actually less safe to wear a helmet in the car than it is to simply utilize the full suite of safety measures (airbags, 3-point seatbelt, rollcage, etc.) to keep your noggin' from bouncing around.
 

Zenmervolt

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The Elio team said that it's actually less safe to wear a helmet in the car than it is to simply utilize the full suite of safety measures (airbags, 3-point seatbelt, rollcage, etc.) to keep your noggin' from bouncing around.

Which is why racing drivers with a full suite of safety measures are required to wear a helmet.

Wearing a helmet is not "less safe" and any company that claims otherwise is advertising their idiocy. It's one thing to say that a helmet in a street-driven car with those other safety measures is of such small benefit that it's not necessary, but to claim that it's "less safe" is just absurd.

ZV
 

WackyDan

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Which is why racing drivers with a full suite of safety measures are required to wear a helmet.

Wearing a helmet is not "less safe" and any company that claims otherwise is advertising their idiocy. It's one thing to say that a helmet in a street-driven car with those other safety measures is of such small benefit that it's not necessary, but to claim that it's "less safe" is just absurd.

ZV

When they can get all the states that consider this thing a motorcycle to class it as something different then they might be successful. Until then, it looks like they are only going to have a market to people already with MC licenses or in states like SC and CA where three wheelers are not classed as motorcycles already.
 

Mandres

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Come on people, this is never going to materialize. How many red flags do there have to be? Incredible too-good-to-be-true promises and price tag, fly by night website, no reportable progress a year later, a pay-us-now preorder scheme, etc.

Stop discussing this like it's a legitimate thing, it's a pump-and-dump scam.
 

Zenmervolt

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Come on people, this is never going to materialize. How many red flags do there have to be? Incredible too-good-to-be-true promises and price tag, fly by night website, no reportable progress a year later, a pay-us-now preorder scheme, etc.

Stop discussing this like it's a legitimate thing, it's a pump-and-dump scam.

Well, yes. But I didn't feel the need to point out the obvious.

ZV
 
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