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Svnla

Lifer
Nov 10, 2003
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Things are NOT looking good for Elio and the old GM plant in Shreveport, LA. Another delay from 2017 to 2018, same old excuses.

Friends in Louisiana sent me this story from the local TV station = http://www.ksla.com/story/34173023/elio-motors-announces-another-production-delay-on-social-media

Look at these numbers:

The company still needs around $300 million more dollars to get started.

According to Elio Motors' latest SEC filing, the company's latest accumulated deficit is $123,212,432 as of September 30, 2016. In addition, Elio has a working capital deficit of $25,769,911. A net loss of $34,787,800 and $13,873,656.

And the last sentence of this paragraph from Elio:

According to the filing, "These factors among others, raise substantial doubt about our ability to continue as a going concern," it goes on to say, "If we are unable to continue to obtain financing to meet our working capital requirements, we may have to curtail our business sharply or cease operations altogether."
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
Apr 19, 2001
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And the last sentence of this paragraph from Elio:

"...we may have to curtail our business sharply or cease operations altogether."

So they're going to drop from manufacturing nothing to manufacturing less than nothing?
 

SNC

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I hope so I have 333000 shares of stock so they better!

Oops wrong company, never mind!
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
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Things are NOT looking good for Elio and the old GM plant in Shreveport, LA. Another delay from 2017 to 2018, same old excuses.

I really hope they make it. A brand-new $7k car would be a huge boon to people in difficult financial situations. Like, my friend's car just got totaled and her entire budget for a new ride is like four grand, which basically buys you garbage these days (thanks, Cash 4 Clunkers!). But having something like a $99/mo car payment on a car that gets phenomenal gas mileage & doesn't require awesome credit history would put a new, reliable car within reach for an awful lot of people.
 

vi edit

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not exactly 7k but polaris is making it happen. every summer i am seeing more and more of these driving around.

http://www.polaris.com/en-us/slingshot

May as well buy a Miata at that price. At least there's resell and safety included with the Mazda. Those things aren't that fast, have incredibly limited function and driving distance, and just look like something ready to be creamed by an SUV that doesn't check it's mirrors well.
 
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Svnla

Lifer
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Finally some good news for the old GM plant in Shreveport - http://www.shreveporttimes.com/stor...ai-create-400-jobs-shreveport-plant/96147976/

Not a lot of jobs and most of the jobs will pay in the $30K+ and benefits but at least it is not sitting idle and empty.

I really hope they make it. A brand-new $7k car would be a huge boon to people in difficult financial situations. Like, my friend's car just got totaled and her entire budget for a new ride is like four grand, which basically buys you garbage these days (thanks, Cash 4 Clunkers!). But having something like a $99/mo car payment on a car that gets phenomenal gas mileage & doesn't require awesome credit history would put a new, reliable car within reach for an awful lot of people.

Highly unlikely. Multiple delays for the last few years. Nothing but excuses after excuses. Look at this article:

Former Shreveport mayor Cedric Glover said those who have purchased reservations for a car, just need to realize it is money lost.

"Going into the fourth quarter this year, they only had $101,000 in cash on hand. So when you think about the actual amount of money that they've been expending, Paul Elio with a salary of over 250 thousand," said Glover.

About $100K of cash on hand and Elio Motors will need at least $300 million to get the ball rolling and Paul Elio is making $250K salary per year?

http://www.ktbs.com/story/34187485/elio-motors-further-delays-production-in-shreveport
 
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not exactly 7k but polaris is making it happen. every summer i am seeing more and more of these driving around.

http://www.polaris.com/en-us/slingshot

Very different type of vehicle (even if they do both have 3 wheels). That's like comparing Z06 Corvette to a Toyota Corolla.

So they're going to drop from manufacturing nothing to manufacturing less than nothing?

This likely kills their ability to develop things much if any further and that's what they've supposed to be doing while they try to work towards snagging some major investment. Plus this likely kills their ability to woo major investment too.

I've seen tons of these around lately, they are getting pretty popular around here...

Yeah. And think about that. Its a more expensive vehicle that literally is a fun toy. That's why I really cannot fathom why some large company hasn't put up a bunch of money for Elio or ripped off the idea and executed on it yet. I think there's a huge untapped market for this. Hell, a company could come in with probably less than $100 million and effectively take control of what Elio has and establish things to get production started (which would then likely pull in real investment money). There's plenty of opportunity to push out the people managing Elio (and replace them with people that are more productive about getting products made). They could even up the price and get more conservative about what it will offer (70mpg), and sure it will get some negativity, but that's a starting point (kinda like how Tesla started with the Roadster which is pretty much a kit car compared to the Model S, and they wouldn't have to make that drastic of an improvement either). Then when you actually produce something (that while less than what it was supposed to be would still be pretty compelling), you can develop it further.

Elio really should have followed the Tesla path. Start by making a kit-car esque luxury toy. Take a high performance motorcycle engine and slap it in it with big rear wheel/tire (there's been several like this, so there's an established market), so that you can have production on a small scale, but you bring in money that you can funnel toward other things and work towards your eventual goal.

I really hope they make it. A brand-new $7k car would be a huge boon to people in difficult financial situations. Like, my friend's car just got totaled and her entire budget for a new ride is like four grand, which basically buys you garbage these days (thanks, Cash 4 Clunkers!). But having something like a $99/mo car payment on a car that gets phenomenal gas mileage & doesn't require awesome credit history would put a new, reliable car within reach for an awful lot of people.

I agree (I'm skeptical they'll make it though, they seem likely to be mismanaged to the ground). Not so much about garbage used market. I see plenty of decent-ish cars for dirt cheap now. I actually think the the biggest issue for the Elio is that $7500 would get you a decent used Prius that offers ~2/3 the MPG with drastically better utility, and a pretty proven reliability record.

May as well buy a Miata at that price. At least there's resell and safety included with the Mazda. Those things aren't that fast, have incredibly limited function and driving distance, and just look like something ready to be creamed by an SUV that doesn't check it's mirrors well.

Yes and no. That's kinda the point about the Slingshot is that it offers a very visceral experience (more than a Miata will, unless you substantially modify the Miata). Miatas are nice, but there's a lot of people that want more thrill than they offer, or just plain don't want a Miata (because of certain stigmas). Plus Miatas are quite a bit more expensive than the Slingshot (but yes you could buy a used one and modify it for less than the Slingshot too). Likewise you can get a lot of motorcycle for the price of the Slingshot, which will offer even more visceral thrills, but there's that tradeoff (the Slingshot offers most of the thrill but is easier to drive than a motorcycle).
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
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Hey guess what, a new delay. and 2018 is now the target year not 2017 anymore. Oh and where did all the millions go? They blew through a ton of money in a short period of time. I wonder if Paul Elio will be investigated for fraud etc..

http://www.ktbs.com/story/34187485/elio-motors-further-delays-production-in-shreveport


No, you don't understand the genius of this. They're going to wait until the e-cat is ready for production and use that as the engine. Instead of 84mpg it's going to be infinity mpg. Invest now!!
 

Kaido

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Elio a no-show to meeting with Louisiana officials about possible state law violations:

http://www.ksla.com/story/34220164/...officials-about-possible-state-law-violations

In their defense, it may just be shady practices on the legal side of things:

An Elio Motors spokesman told KSLA News 12 that no one from Elio was made aware of the meeting. "We spoke with every person at Elio Motors that should have / could have been contacted including Governmental Affairs, Senior Leadership and our Customer Experience and Sales teams and no one heard from the LMVC," said Elio Motors publicist, Mike DeVilling. "If we'd have been contacted, we'd have at least responded."
 

tynopik

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300,000,000 / 6,800 = 44,118 sales needed to break even

assuming each sale was 100% profit
 

Mandres

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That's why I really cannot fathom why some large company hasn't put up a bunch of money for Elio or ripped off the idea and executed on it yet. I think there's a huge untapped market for this.

Because it's not, never was, and never will be possible to build and sell a road legal automobile in this country for <$7,000. The price was total fantasy, pulled from thin air with complete disregard for the costs involved. You can't even buy a diesel tractor for less than 10k-15k, with none of the federal/state on--road regulations involved.

If there were a market here every car manufacturer in world would already be competing in it. Polaris is trying, but their offering in this size/segment is close to $20k - and they're one of the largest manufacturers in the world with all of the advantages of scale in play.
 

desura

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Bah. This is like an India car or something. And in India they have cheaper models.

Is this thing technically a motorcycle? The crash zones are non-existent. It would be destroyed in a crash.

Stick shift sucks, especially in city traffic.

It isn't going anywhere. If that electric motorcycle company went belly up, this one definitely will.
 

momeNt

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Because it's not, never was, and never will be possible to build and sell a road legal automobile in this country for <$7,000. The price was total fantasy, pulled from thin air with complete disregard for the costs involved. You can't even buy a diesel tractor for less than 10k-15k, with none of the federal/state on--road regulations involved.

If there were a market here every car manufacturer in world would already be competing in it. Polaris is trying, but their offering in this size/segment is close to $20k - and they're one of the largest manufacturers in the world with all of the advantages of scale in play.

I'm sure Henry Ford could have done it. Giving cars yearly updates really hurt the consumer but was a huge boon for the auto industry and advertising agencies.

I don't think that person exists today, as Elio seems to be mostly a con man.
 

Mandres

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I'm sure Henry Ford could have done it. Giving cars yearly updates really hurt the consumer but was a huge boon for the auto industry and advertising agencies.

I don't think that person exists today, as Elio seems to be mostly a con man.

Whether it's fraud or just incompetence depends on what Elio knew, and when. To me, the sophistication the company showed in its marketing (including the very slick prime-time tv ad) and when pursuing financing, including taking advantage of the rule changes to sell stock to unaccredited investors, clearly points to fraud. I think he knew exactly what he was doing.
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
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Whether it's fraud or just incompetence depends on what Elio knew, and when. To me, the sophistication the company showed in its marketing (including the very slick prime-time tv ad) and when pursuing financing, including taking advantage of the rule changes to sell stock to unaccredited investors, clearly points to fraud. I think he knew exactly what he was doing.

Fraud. Even if he started with honest albeit unrealistic optimism by now he knows it's impossible and he's still taking money for it.
 

BUTCH1

Lifer
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Fraud. Even if he started with honest albeit unrealistic optimism by now he knows it's impossible and he's still taking money for it.
Yup, their website is still up and running taking deposits, but one would have to be REALLY nuts to throw any $$ at this thing. Might have been a better idea if gasoline was not so cheap these days and the Road+ Track test drive has the front fender FALL OFF during the short trip!. Fast-forward to close to the end for the lulz moment, http://jalopnik.com/body-part-falls-of-elio-3-wheeler-during-live-test-driv-1784533335
 
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