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Dr. Detroit

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They just announced no trim levels:

I still hold out hope that they can get the company rolling. A sub-$8k commuter car that is reasonably safe & gets good gas mileage would be a minor miracle for a lot of people, especially with the creative ways they've talked about financing an Elio for personal use.

I've said this for years, if they build this and its get 60+ mpg and costs under $8K and HOV access is allowed - I'm 100% buying. 1+1 seating and small cargo area is perfect for 90% of our vehicles needs. Put a slim line cargo box up top for weekend trips and it would meet 95% of our vehicle needs.

Low boost Ford 1.0L Ecoboost would be perfect but most likely too costly.
 

zinfamous

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They just announced no trim levels:

https://www.eliomotors.com/trimming-costs/

Man, that's crazy! Their own article says that the current price difference between the various trim levels on a Ford F-150 is $33,655 (from a base model to fully-loaded). That's pretty crazy not to offer different trim levels, which are essentially just cash cows for the manufacturer with virtually no extra work. Like, on my last Kia Soul, I bought the stick-shift model, which is only available in base in the United States - but all of the electronics are there, so for the cost of a harness & steering wheel plastic button assembly (~$80 iirc), I was able to add cruise-control to my car. So they just used a universal electronics module for everything, and sold the car in different configurations. So many opportunities to jack up the price on the Elio...custom colors, spiffy rims, chrome pieces, adaptive cruise control, sports tires, leather seating, heated seats & steering wheel, etc.

I still hold out hope that they can get the company rolling. Right now it sounds like one giant joke though, which is a pity because I have a lot of friends in dire financial circumstances who could really use better, safer cars than they currently own. One of my buddies recently moved up by me & bought a car with zero credit history. He had to eat a 40% loan. Yes, forty percent. On a high-mile used car, no less. A sub-$8k commuter car that is reasonably safe & gets good gas mileage would be a minor miracle for a lot of people, especially with the creative ways they've talked about financing an Elio for personal use. Although, if the Sondors electric car ($10k starting price) really takes off, maybe that will be an even better alternative:

https://sondorselectriccar.com/


WTF? to comment 1 and 2, really...I mean...WTF? I know that these 40% loans on "leased" cars that have seen about 8 owners, ~20k values for the car, that has generated about $100k in income for the "leaser," even after all the repos is a big deal right now.....but 40%? lol

also, sub-$8k is difficult for a commuter car? searching searching.....searching...OK I found a Sentra and a Corolla, about 40k miles each, $6k-$7k in CA...well, in CA. ....of course everything else is a few years newer, about 10k miles less....and $10k? wtf? for reliable yet boring years-old cars with fleet car mileage?

This world is screwed.
 

zinfamous

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I've said this for years, if they build this and its get 60+ mpg and costs under $8K and HOV access is allowed - I'm 100% buying. 1+1 seating and small cargo area is perfect for 90% of our vehicles needs. Put a slim line cargo box up top for weekend trips and it would meet 95% of our vehicle needs.

Low boost Ford 1.0L Ecoboost would be perfect but most likely too costly.

People have to actually want them, though; and actually understand what they actually need. Ford just kinda completely jumped out of the eco car market and now only makes redneck trucks and raised-suspension "crossover" cars because of course soccer moms that never needed any of that now fundamentally believe that they need that. ...This is a really important indicator when a major power in the market makes such a drastic move. (think how McDonald's moving to 100% pure beef and cage-free chicken in all of it's products moved the entire food industry---they actually account for something like 40% of the total food distribution in the country, so their decisions matter). Ford isn't the biggest, of course (like McDonalds), and this is really an "American thing" (the rest of the world is kind of brilliant when it comes to their needs. You won't see many ghastly and shitty American cars clogging the streets of Europe or Japan with their terrible inefficiency and stupid, unnecessary size)...but this is an American company, so, their lack of understanding American versions of humans is kind of important here.

People are stupid. They are...just god damn stupid. They believe pictures with simple slogans, and pretty moving images. Their lives are failed representations of the fantasy lives that they fall asleep to. These fantasies are consumed and fed by ads in magazines, prime time and day time television.

People are stupid.

This company is doomed.
 

Kaido

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I've said this for years, if they build this and its get 60+ mpg and costs under $8K and HOV access is allowed - I'm 100% buying. 1+1 seating and small cargo area is perfect for 90% of our vehicles needs. Put a slim line cargo box up top for weekend trips and it would meet 95% of our vehicle needs.

Low boost Ford 1.0L Ecoboost would be perfect but most likely too costly.

The economics of most vehicles is pretty insane...some of the companies I do work for have 100, 200, 300 people...they all drive to work, park their cars for 8 hours, then drive, and park their cars overnight. A lot of big trucks & big SUV's that carry exactly one person & sit parked for most of their functional life as a commuter vehicle. Elio could do a lot of cool stuff if they ever actually get production going...
 

Kaido

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WTF? to comment 1 and 2, really...I mean...WTF? I know that these 40% loans on "leased" cars that have seen about 8 owners, ~20k values for the car, that has generated about $100k in income for the "leaser," even after all the repos is a big deal right now.....but 40%? lol

also, sub-$8k is difficult for a commuter car? searching searching.....searching...OK I found a Sentra and a Corolla, about 40k miles each, $6k-$7k in CA...well, in CA. ....of course everything else is a few years newer, about 10k miles less....and $10k? wtf? for reliable yet boring years-old cars with fleet car mileage?

This world is screwed.

Yup & yup. If you're in a bad position financially in America, you are so hosed in many instances. It's insane, because I did work for a guy who used to write off everything under company taxes (before he retired, that is!)..cars, jets, mansions, you name it. All perfectly legal, all airtight, passed all audits with flying colors...and yet the people who need those breaks the most, the people who are really, truly struggling in life & need that helping hand up in a most serious way to get into any sort of decent kind of life & living situation, get whacked with insanity like 40% loans on high-mileage used cars.

Now, I understand what a poor bet is from a business & loan perspective, but we should have better safeguards in our society to help people out. I think the government would be smart to help fund Elio & maybe give every college student one of those bad boy at like a 0% interest rate or something. I mean, no joke...the two worst demographics for accidents are young people & old people, who often can't afford newer, safer, more reliable cars & so they get in more accidents with worse outcomes because they're driving cruddy old machines.

It's not a great situation. We can do better. I'm rooting for Elio, even though things are looking bad...
 

zinfamous

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The economics of most vehicles is pretty insane...some of the companies I do work for have 100, 200, 300 people...they all drive to work, park their cars for 8 hours, then drive, and park their cars overnight. A lot of big trucks & big SUV's that carry exactly one person & sit parked for most of their functional life as a commuter vehicle. Elio could do a lot of cool stuff if they ever actually get production going...

seriously: those people that do stupid things with their stupid cars will never make a smart decision and buy an appropriate car. No one can ever force Americans to be smart. The round (now flat!) device on their credenza (now fireplace!...gross) tells them exactly how they should think and pretend to live.
 

Kaido

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seriously: those people that do stupid things with their stupid cars will never make a smart decision and buy an appropriate car. No one can ever force Americans to be smart. The round (now flat!) device on their credenza (now fireplace!...gross) tells them exactly how they should think and pretend to live.

I mean, there's a lot to be said for intrinsic value too. I just sold my jeep for a sports car, which is a silly vehicle with fancy bent sheetmetal & too much horsepower for what I really need in life. But boy oh boy is it fun to drive So I do think there's plenty of room for things like wanting a race car for fun, or driving a big SUV because it makes you feel safe if you had been in a bad accident before, or whatever. But Elio has a really nice niche carved out...a cheap car, good for commuters, safer than a lot of older stuff on the road, you can fill up at any gas station like a normal car, drive on the roads & highways like a normal car, etc.

I have a lot of friends in dismal financial circumstances, and are in that type of situation for a variety of reasons - some of whom will never escape those constraints. Having access to a safe, reliable car for like $99 a month or $25 a week would be a real gamechanger for some of them. I've had some real junkers in the past & they can just be a huge headache in your life...endless moneypits, never reliable, just always having to deal with one problem or another. I could see the Elio being a huge success if they can ever really bring it to market!
 
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Dr. Detroit

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People are stupid. They are...just god damn stupid. They believe pictures with simple slogans, and pretty moving images. Their lives are failed representations of the fantasy lives that they fall asleep to. These fantasies are consumed and fed by ads in magazines, prime time and day time television.

People are stupid.

This company is doomed.

Consumerist sheep, all of them.
But consumerism drives our economy and supposedly makes people happy. They can work til there 65 while paying down their debt. I'll be retired at 45, smiling and enjoying my Elio or whatever car meets my minimalist needs.
 

zinfamous

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I have a lot of friends in dismal financial circumstances, and are in that type of situation for a variety of reasons - some of whom will never escape those constraints. Having access to a safe, reliable car for like $99 a month or $25 a week would be a real gamechanger for some of them. I've had some real junkers in the past & they can just be a huge headache in your life...endless moneypits, never reliable, just always having to deal with one problem or another. I could see the Elio being a huge success if they can ever really bring it to market!

OK, so it is cheap to buy outright....what is the data on what we should assume about the cost of owning one, day to day? Is it not going to be in the shop every other week? Do we have any reason to guess on either side of that? Is this supposed to be like buying a Honda or a Yugo?

....I'm not trying to take a dump on the company, but I am of course very cynical about consumers in general (obvious ), and unproven, unknown companies that generate praise and predictions about quality with literally zero experience or historic evidence to back their products.
 

Kaido

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OK, so it is cheap to buy outright....what is the data on what we should assume about the cost of owning one, day to day? Is it not going to be in the shop every other week? Do we have any reason to guess on either side of that? Is this supposed to be like buying a Honda or a Yugo?

....I'm not trying to take a dump on the company, but I am of course very cynical about consumers in general (obvious ), and unproven, unknown companies that generate praise and predictions about quality with literally zero experience or historic evidence to back their products.

At least when they started, the idea was to use Pep Boys as the service shop & to use a lot of off-the-shelf parts that could be replaced for cheap. Any new vehicle is going to have bugs (learned that one the hard way myself, lol), but at least you could get like same-day service with parts for cheap at local service centers. And it looks like they're still aiming at 80 MPG or so, so in theory it should be pretty cheap to operate.

tbh, if I were someone like Elon Musk, I'd buy the company outright & get them into production ASAP. I know it's not electric, but it would solve a lot of the low-end economic transportation problems in our country & really, actually make a lot of people's lives better.
 

Hugo Drax

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Just remembered Elio Motors

So any deliveries yet?

Not only that Trump is president, who would have thought that in 2015.
 

Dr. Detroit

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Just remembered Elio Motors

So any deliveries yet?

Production at the former GM plant in Shreveport has been pushed back to the fall of this year. That's five years after the three-wheeled vehicles were supposed to be made there.

Gas is back over $4/G here is Kommiefornia so there will be demand.
 

Hugo Drax

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Hey how's the whole Elio Motors situation going, Will 2020 be the year of Elio Motors? Its A Zombie company at this point.

Amazing how so much has changed, Reality TV President just like in the movie Idiocracy, A Global Pandemic etc.. but no Elio Motor Trike yet.
 

ponyo

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Tesla is next, I do not see them around 5 years from now. Blackberry, do they still make phones? Maybe the media should start hiring journalists and stop using unpaid internships and "Citizen journalists" (unpaid bloggers), we might actually get a good story on Elio Motors. Do you have some kind of financial interest in Elio Motors?
It's been 2 years and Tesla is kicking butt. Damn, imagine if someone listened to you.
 

Svnla

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Production at the former GM plant in Shreveport has been pushed back to the fall of this year. That's five years after the three-wheeled vehicles were supposed to be made there.

Gas is back over $4/G here is Kommiefornia so there will be demand.

I forgot about this.

Spoke with a few friends in Shreveport, LA (one used to work at that GM plant) recently and as of September of 2020, nothing is happening at that old GM plant from Elio. Nada, zip, nope, nothing at all. Look like all smoke and mirror.
 
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pete6032

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This vehicle just doesn't seem practical. Saving a few dollars on gas is not worth so many sacrificies, and you can get many nicer used vehicles for the same price as a new elio. Also I doubt this thing could ever been driven in a cold climate. A 1500 pound car on a snowy road just won't work.
 
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Hey how's the whole Elio Motors situation going, Will 2020 be the year of Elio Motors? Its A Zombie company at this point.

Amazing how so much has changed, Reality TV President just like in the movie Idiocracy, A Global Pandemic etc.. but no Elio Motor Trike yet.

I think you might need to see a doctor about that 5 and half year hate boner you've apparently got on them.

Surprised you haven't moved onto Nikola!

This vehicle just doesn't seem practical. Saving a few dollars on gas is not worth so many sacrificies, and you can get many nicer used vehicles for the same price as a new elio. Also I doubt this thing could ever been driven in a cold climate. A 1500 pound car on a snowy road just won't work.

I would agree, but used car prices are kinda f'ed. Its weird, I think used prices have gone up during COVID (not sure if more people are selling their cars, more people are buying used rather than new, or if people are just being delusional, but used prices are weird and have been for a few years I think).

Also I think it would make a great vehicle for a first time driver (think high school student), either for them to save up and buy (and get something that could be kinda fun to drive but also should be cheap, while not being as impractical as a motorcycle or scooter). For parents of drivers like that it also means they can't get a bunch of friends in it. I've also said that it'd make a good "backpack" car, for someone that wants to go on a camping road trip (like people do with motorcycles, but wouldn't have to be dressed in leathers and with a helmet and everything, plus could sleep in it in a pinch by leaning the seat back).

Why wouldn't it work? Put on studded tires or chains, or heck throw one of those tracks on the back one and skis on the front and turn it into an enclosed snowmobile.

I'd actually like a couple of vehicles like this. An electric one for a commuter car, and then a 2nd one with an engine with some pep with a roll cage for various enthusiast driving (think something like a narrow Ariel Atom).

There's actually a narrow electric car, its like in between this and a Smart car. Its stupid expensive though (like $100k).
 

pete6032

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I would agree, but used car prices are kinda f'ed. Its weird, I think used prices have gone up during COVID (not sure if more people are selling their cars, more people are buying used rather than new, or if people are just being delusional, but used prices are weird and have been for a few years I think).

I haven't bought a used car in a long time but looking at what's available under $8k in Chicago right now:
2013 Hyundai Accent SE 45k miles $7,700
2018 Nissan Versa S+ 11k miles $7,499
2015 Hyundai Veloster Base 47k miles $7,900
2015 Dodge Dart SXT 22k miles $8,000



Why wouldn't it work? Put on studded tires or chains, or heck throw one of those tracks on the back one and skis on the front and turn it into an enclosed snowmobile.
Too light to properly go over ice in the Midwest, plus can't use chains in urban areas.
 

drnickriviera

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They're baaaaack with another phantom vehicle, the Elio-E. I said EVs would make the gas engine version obsolete a few years ago. There is no way they will be anywhere close to their original target price going electric. There is already a better trike probably further along than Elio in the Aptera
 
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Kaido

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They're baaaaack with another phantom vehicle, the Elio-E. I said EVs would make the gas engine version obsolete a few years ago. There is no way they will be anywhere close to their original target price going electric. There is already a better trike probably further along than Elio in the Aptera

WHAT the heck lol:

"Once the electric version is produced, Elio plans to potentially launch the Elio-G for consumers looking for a gas powered alternative."

hahaha!
 

BUTCH1

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WHAT the heck lol:

"Once the electric version is produced, Elio plans to potentially launch the Elio-G for consumers looking for a gas powered alternative."

hahaha!
From the link,
Elio Motors stock price is up 136 percent today because of the announcement "
The classic pump+dump I'd be interested to see how many Elio stockholders were waiting for a time to purge and by golly, they got it!.
 
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Kaido

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From the link,
Elio Motors stock price is up 136 percent today because of the announcement "
The classic pump+dump I'd be interested to see how many Elio stockholders were waiting for a time to purge and by golly, they got it!.

For the record, I think the car is a brilliant concept. Cheap & perfect for college kids, single-person commuters, etc. Even though the crash tests are probably bad, it'd be better than a lot of the older clunkers people are driving around these days with no airbags & whatnot. People can harp on Tesla all they want, but at least they deliver cars! lol
 

BUTCH1

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For the record, I think the car is a brilliant concept. Cheap & perfect for college kids, single-person commuters, etc. Even though the crash tests are probably bad, it'd be better than a lot of the older clunkers people are driving around these days with no airbags & whatnot. People can harp on Tesla all they want, but at least they deliver cars! lol
They do, but with all major players moving into EV's these days Tesla no longer has it all to themselves.
 
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