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zinfamous

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They didn't even compare her genetic markers to American Indians. They compared them to Mexicans, Colombians and Peruvians.

This stupid bitch can't get out of her own way. Did she think people weren't going to examine the results? LoL!

"How does genomics work?"

lol, you are dumb.
 

fskimospy

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These dumb mother fuckers have never even thought about this topic till they needed to suck on trumps mushroom dick.

Well they don’t actually care and to be frank they shouldn’t care.

I mean remember how they pretended to care about email security and then promptly dropped it when it turned out Trump administration officials were doing similar things?
 
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I never argued she did. But if somebody wants to argue she's Native American, then she should get the benefits of the group, right? But we all know it's just a tenuous and distant link, and she looks 100% white.

No it was a family story


That's unknown. Anyone with a few brain cells would realize how people would view the "minority law professor" status/switching ethnicity.

So no evidence, she never made the claim when running for office

If she wants to identify as one, why isn't she pursuing membership with any tribe? From my knowledge, she has never lived on a reservation nor has tribal membership.

She fucking doesn’t want to identify as one. She made the claim on a State form and/or some school form. The form is a voluntary thing businesses do in Mass, some businesses require the form if they occupy State land. It has nothing to do with hiring or what you desire to be addressed as.
Bottom line when the form is required to be filled out YOU ARE ALREADY A FUCKING EMPLOYEE.

Yes, I'm a total asshole for realizing she's a white woman, which ironically has been the defense for her. It's no wonder liberals get mocked for this crap.
I have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
If you don’t like Warren then don’t like Her. Don’t pussy foot around some anchient family heritage thing. She had a relative say a recently distant family member was Indian. This is a normal family story to have in the Northeast.

From the globe article above:

“In Philadelphia, having somebody with some distant connection to the Cherokee tribe just wasn’t a very big deal,” explained Colin Diver, a Boston resident who was the dean of the law school at the time.

It counts for way more if you are visibly, recognizably a person of color. There was nothing about her that was visibly, recognizably a person of color.”


"It’s not even clear that Warren would have been accepted as a true minority hire if she’d been pitched to the faculty that way. “It wouldn’t have even worked in the most diehard communities,” said Wilkins, who was one of the only black law professors on staff. “Let’s be blunt. Elizabeth Warren is a white woman. She may have some Native American roots, but so do most people.”

"In sum, it is clear that Warren was viewed as a white woman by the hiring committees at every institution that employed her."

"At every step of her remarkable rise in the legal profession, the people responsible for hiring her saw her as a white woman."

Exactly, so you agree she recieved no benefit for the Indian heritage claim.
 

mikeymikec

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If she wants to identify as one, why isn't she pursuing membership with any tribe? From my knowledge, she has never lived on a reservation nor has tribal membership.

I am a British person with an Irish passport (by right of having an Irish parent). In your opinion, for me to identify as half-Irish, was the passport a necessary item, or are there more things that I should do to "validly" identify as that?

Your opinion reminds me of a kid in school who told me that I wasn't a real supporter of a particular football team (Americans: soccer) because I didn't have that team's kit.
 

Maxima1

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No it was a family story

What are you even arguing against from what was quoted? Yes, I know this was about a relative claimed to of had Indian blood.

So no evidence, she never made the claim when running for office

So? This possibly could have helped her on the professor track (note: NOT making the claim it ever did). Many articles I've read do not deny that it was a possibility, and she would hardly be the first person to do something that's unlikely to be fruitful.

She fucking doesn’t want to identify as one. She made the claim on a State form and/or some school form. The form is a voluntary thing businesses do in Mass, some businesses require the form if they occupy State land. It has nothing to do with hiring or what you desire to be addressed as.

Funny you say this because we're suppose to think it's to further the memory of her relatives who had died near the time she did it, or the absurd notion that she's naive to think people would distinguish in her words between a tenuous heritage link to Native Americans and tribal membership/strong genetic link.

I have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
If you don’t like Warren then don’t like Her. Don’t pussy foot around some anchient family heritage thing. She had a relative say a recently distant family member was Indian. This is a normal family story to have in the Northeast.

It's not normal for someone with similar backgrounds to put they're a "minority law professor" or change their ethnicity despite being vastly white.

This has nothing to do with not liking Warren.

Exactly, so you agree she recieved no benefit for the Indian heritage claim.

And we can agree that her tenuous link was an absurd reason to check off that as her ethnicity and list herself as a "minority law professor".

I am a British person with an Irish passport (by right of having an Irish parent). In your opinion, for me to identify as half-Irish, was the passport a necessary item, or are there more things that I should do to "validly" identify as that?

Your opinion reminds me of a kid in school who told me that I wasn't a real supporter of a particular football team (Americans: soccer) because I didn't have that team's kit.

Nationality isn't analogous at all to the ethnic question. It's more apt for the question about tribal membership, but Warren doesn't have membership and likely wouldn't be able to obtain membership anywhere. Even in that case, tribal requirements can be quite low for genetic makeup, so should we treat everyone outside of the Indian nation in that group the same? Should they get the same treatment (i.e. job preferences/affirmative action) despite looking white or some other ethnic group?
 

Viper1j

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It's not a bet. She would have had to agree to his terms for it to be a bet. Thanks for playing. And I have more native American blood than she does. Man, the liberal brain defect functions strangely. If I tell you I'll bet you $5 I can piss in the garbage can across the street and if I don't I pay you, and if you agree, then it's a bet.


She made Donny her little bitch.
 
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What are you even arguing against from what was quoted? Yes, I know this was about a relative claimed to of had Indian blood.



So? This possibly could have helped her on the professor track (note: NOT making the claim it ever did). Many articles I've read do not deny that it was a possibility, and she would hardly be the first person to do something that's unlikely to be fruitful.



Funny you say this because we're suppose to think it's to further the memory of her relatives who had died near the time she did it, or the absurd notion that she's naive to think people would distinguish in her words between a tenuous heritage link to Native Americans and tribal membership/strong genetic link.



It's not normal for someone with similar backgrounds to put they're a "minority law professor" or change their ethnicity despite being vastly white.

This has nothing to do with not liking Warren.



And we can agree that her tenuous link was an absurd reason to check off that as her ethnicity and list herself as a "minority law professor".



Nationality isn't analogous at all to the ethnic question. It's more apt for the question about tribal membership, but Warren doesn't have membership and likely wouldn't be able to obtain membership anywhere. Even in that case, tribal requirements can be quite low for genetic makeup, so should we treat everyone outside of the Indian nation in that group the same? Should they get the same treatment (i.e. job preferences/affirmative action) despite looking white or some other ethnic group?

Is Martian a protected group? I had a guy who worked for me check other - Martian
The whole argument you are making is not founded at all with enormous amounts of speculation.
I can say with certainty he was not promoted quicker or slower than anyone else. He had the same opportunity.
These check boxes are nothing, usually you have no idea what someone checks it’s a restricted HR thing. Process was likely different in the 80s but I have never met anyone who claimed to promote someone faster because they identified as a minority. I’ve never met anyone who ran a legitimate business with legitimate HR policies get into trouble with racial mix of employees.
You don’t have to like Warren but knock it off with claims that cannot be backed up.
Simply put it was on some dumb state form that should take moments to fill out if it take more than 5 minutes you are doing it wrong.
 
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cytg111

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If she wants to identify as one, why isn't she pursuing membership with any tribe? From my knowledge, she has never lived on a reservation nor has tribal membership.

Yes, I'm a total asshole for realizing she's a white woman, which ironically has been the defense for her. It's no wonder liberals get mocked for this crap.

From the globe article above:

“In Philadelphia, having somebody with some distant connection to the Cherokee tribe just wasn’t a very big deal,” explained Colin Diver, a Boston resident who was the dean of the law school at the time.

It counts for way more if you are visibly, recognizably a person of color. There was nothing about her that was visibly, recognizably a person of color.”


"It’s not even clear that Warren would have been accepted as a true minority hire if she’d been pitched to the faculty that way. “It wouldn’t have even worked in the most diehard communities,” said Wilkins, who was one of the only black law professors on staff. “Let’s be blunt. Elizabeth Warren is a white woman. She may have some Native American roots, but so do most people.”

"In sum, it is clear that Warren was viewed as a white woman by the hiring committees at every institution that employed her."

"At every step of her remarkable rise in the legal profession, the people responsible for hiring her saw her as a white woman."

Has she said that she identifies as one? And I dont mean an alt-right meta-alternative-fact deduction - you need to smoke meth to understand that shit and I dont!
Lets suppose every American has native DNA? That just means that it was a massive kick to your own balls to suggest that she takes a test... Thats like moving all-in 2-7 off suit before the flop.. Your only bet is that your opponent(s) FOLD ... AND SHE DIDNT FUCKING FOLD.
Jesus Christ Fucking Superstar.
Pocahontas .. And not the good one? That guys is the most bigoted racist ........ Doesnt fucking matter if she had ZERO DNA, the fact you are here defending his position after that shit means I know all I need to know about you.
Keep burning.
Keep burning those tikis', eventually youll set yourself on fire like taj.
 
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mikeymikec

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Nationality isn't analogous at all to the ethnic question. It's more apt for the question about tribal membership

I'd ask you to elaborate but you've already side-stepped my first question with IMO a meaningless retort.
 

mikeymikec

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As funny as that clip is, the sad fact is that the only reason why it matters at all is because people like that exist.
 

Jhhnn

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Viper1j

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As funny as that clip is, the sad fact is that the only reason why it matters at all is because people like that exist.

I REMEMBER THAT GUY!


There was a guy on another forum that looked just like him, and he was just as racist..

Oil and water don't mix? Apparently they do.. in you..
 

Ackmed

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Warren was so dumb to have done this. Especially before mid terms. She made a claim, kept making it over years. Finally takes a DNA test, and turns out her claim of being Cherokee is not based on facts. Or other claims she made. Even the Cherokee Nation flat out refuses her and calls it a mockery. There isn't a tribe out there that would give her tribe status.

She pulled a Trump. Said something dumb, kept saying it when confronted about it. When facts come out proving she was wrong, she doubled and tripled down during late night tweets. Classic dumb Trump move. He's given so many examples of what not to do yet she did the same thing. Dumb thing for a smart person to do. She should have just said she was mistaken, and went on what family told her. Apologized and moved on. It would have been dropped much sooner. Now everyone knows she's not Cherokee, not even close. Or anything else. Maybe not even North American Indian of any kind. And many people have a higher percentage than her. The average white American has up to twice the DNA she does.

It does bring up an interesting topic of how much does it take to "claim" a race or ethnicity. Like her, might be a lot more people trying to claim minority status with less than 1 percent. 1/2024? Yikes ..

According to Fox News.... Gotta love it.

Feel free to dispute the article with facts. But you can't, you don't like the update so you just dismiss it because it's a Fox link. Classic move from someone who can't discuss facts.

When anyone who can do basic math can see the original article is flawed, and has been updated with the exact same numbers from the Fox link.
 
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SlowSpyder

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Warren legitimately has native American ancestry. The rest is just sputtering right wing spin. It doesn't matter how much. Deal with that.

Would you consider her a Native American? Do you consider someone that might have just as much Native American DNA, on average, as European Americans that have been here for generations as Native American, an "indian"?
 
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Would you consider her a Native American? Do you consider someone that might have just as much Native American DNA, on average, as European Americans that have been here for generations as Native American, an "indian"?

SHE NEVER MADE THE FUCKING CLAIM SHE IS A NATIVE AMERICAN!
 

Jhhnn

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Would you consider her a Native American? Do you consider someone that might have just as much Native American DNA, on average, as European Americans that have been here for generations as Native American, an "indian"?

She never claimed to be a native American, merely that she had such ancestry. She is undeniably correct in that claim.
 

mikeymikec

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It does bring up an interesting topic of how much does it take to "claim" a race or ethnicity. Like her, might be a lot more people trying to claim minority status with less than 1 percent.

LOL, only to people like you.
 

SlowSpyder

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She never claimed to be a native American, merely that she had such ancestry. She is undeniably correct in that claim.

Gotcha, she's maybe 1/1024th Native American, such ancestry. She's getting into the grey with numbers like that. Trump is making the left look like fools again.
 
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