Elizabeth Warren takes a DNA test. Trump lies about charity offer.

[Fanatical Meat]

Gotcha, she's maybe 1/1024th Native American, such ancestry. She's getting into the grey with numbers like that. Trump is making the left look like fools again.

Dumb-dumb the claim was someone a few generations back was an Indian. She never made the claim other than checking a box on a form that allows multiple boxes to be checked that she has Indian heritage.
That is it, there is nothing more. Her test results show someone in a past generation had a lot of genes an American Indian would have.

 

[fskimospy]

Gotcha, she's maybe 1/1024th Native American, such ancestry. She's getting into the grey with numbers like that. Trump is making the left look like fools again.

I have to say I’m finding it highly amusing to watch Trump supporters pretending to care about a politician lying.

 

[ElFenix]

keep tilting at those windmills, someday you might slay a giant.

 

[Moonbeam]

Gotcha, she's maybe 1/1024th Native American, such ancestry. She's getting into the grey with numbers like that. Trump is making the left look like fools again.

You came into the discussion thinking that Democrats are fools so no matter the situation Democrats will look like fools to you. Your inability to see that fact in yourself is how you manage to continue to fool yourself which is just another way to say you are the fool.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I have to say I’m finding it highly amusing to watch Trump supporters pretending to care about a politician lying.

I am too. Very smart observation you made.

 

[SlowSpyder]

You came into the discussion thinking that Democrats are fools so no matter the situation Democrats will look like fools to you. Your inability to see that fact in yourself is how you manage to continue to fool yourself which is just another way to say you are the fool.

I used to think Democrats weren't fools. But they way they act today has changed that. My view is not set in stone and can and has changed before. When the left can put on their big boy pants and act like adults maybe they'll win a fan back, but as of today the non-stop tantrum and lies (like trying to pretend a thousandth of a percentage of something is any kind of ancestry) makes it easy to look at them as fools.

 

[fskimospy]

I used to think Democrats weren't fools. But they way they act today has changed that. My view is not set in stone and can and has changed before. When the left can put on their big boy pants and act like adults maybe they'll win a fan back, but as of today the non-stop tantrum and lies (like trying to pretend a thousandth of a percentage of something is any kind of ancestry) makes it easy to look at them as fools.

Guys SlowSpyder is tired of the nonstop tantrums and lies so he’s decided to support...Donald Trump.

Are you just a really cleverly disguised parody account designed to make conservatives look dumb?

 

[Vic]

Birtherism: take two.

Who're the fools again?

 

[Moonbeam]

I used to think Democrats weren't fools. But they way they act today has changed that. My view is not set in stone and can and has changed before. When the left can put on their big boy pants and act like adults maybe they'll win a fan back, but as of today the non-stop tantrum and lies (like trying to pretend a thousandth of a percentage of something is any kind of ancestry) makes it easy to look at them as fools.

I think any form of partisanship is foolish. Everybody thinks they are right and few have the humility to have collapsed the notions of good and evil to simply be able to logically observe. To me this Indian ancestry brouhaha is a non issue. I find it to be rather normal today for anybody, and especially for liberals, who has any Native American no matter how far back to feel a pride in that fact. I find it also perfectly logical, if objectively irrelevant, to brag about it, just as normal in fact as to expect an asshole like Trump to seize on it for his own political gain, and for Republicans in general, whose primary means to power lies in the support of the 1% to pile on like gangbusters in order to smear her. She is one of the most obvious threats to the Right out there. I see you an nothing much more than a brainwashed tool that billions of dollars have been spent on to turn you into a parroting tool to effect those ends. Sorry.

 

[Maxima1]

Is Martian a protected group? I had a guy who worked for me check other - Martian

SHE NEVER MADE THE FUCKING CLAIM SHE IS A NATIVE AMERICAN!

Warren was serious. She wasn't naive to what people would think from what is implied by what she was doing. You're ignoring that she also labeled herself as a "minority law professor" and formally brought this up to university officials. It wasn't just about checking a box. The faculty even believed the crap or at least thought it gave cover to the lack of diversity.

The whole argument you are making is not founded at all with enormous amounts of speculation.

I'm saying it's unknown. I think it's speculative to think with certainty that she is being truthful about her explanations.

Has she said that she identifies as one? And I dont mean an alt-right meta-alternative-fact deduction - you need to smoke meth to understand that shit and I dont!

Anyone claiming they're a "minority law professor" or checks that as their ethnicity is obviously identifying. She knows what it implies.

Doesnt fucking matter if she had ZERO DNA, the fact you are here defending his position after that shit means I know all I need to know about you.
Keep burning.
Keep burning those tikis', eventually youll set yourself on fire like taj.

As I said previously, I had already agreed that heritage is a lower bar, so Trump loses on that, but he muddied this with his statement right after that one about proving she's "an Indian". Warren didn't try to get a more concise bet, and then draws it out again (why?) showing what many already thought -- she had a tenuous link at best.

Warren legitimately has native American ancestry. The rest is just sputtering right wing spin. It doesn't matter how much. Deal with that.

How many were asserting that she had none? Many people themselves falsely believe they have a little Cherokee in them. This was about the absurdity of passing yourself as being a minority when you clearly aren't.

I'd ask you to elaborate but you've already side-stepped my first question with IMO a meaningless retort.

Ethnicity is more objective. You look at the person and can identify which racial group they belong to easily (for the most part). The tribal requirements have much more subjectivity to them. You can make them as lax and stringent as you want, signaling arbitrariness. I didn't bother with your question for that reason, and because it doesn't even relate to Warren. I mean, she has never lived on a reservation. She isn't involved with the community. And she has no membership with any tribe and probably couldn't even if she pursued it.

 

[emperus]

Warren shouldn't have done this. She made the false assumptions that Republicans have shame. They do not. The fact that Trump has again forced someone to prove their identity should be shameful. But, that's not what we'll talk about. We'll talk about the bullshit that spews from Donald's Trump's mouth. Gosh we are fuxed as a country.

 

[Jhhnn]

Anyone claiming they're a "minority law professor" or checks that as their ethnicity is obviously identifying. She knows what it implies.

When did she claim that?

How many were asserting that she had none? Many people themselves falsely believe they have a little Cherokee in them. This was about the absurdity of passing yourself as being a minority when you clearly aren't.

Trump claimed zero. He was obviously wrong.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Yup it’s true

 

[Fanatical Meat]

When did she claim that?



Trump claimed zero. He was obviously wrong.

It’s some stupid law directory that colleges use to showcase their professors
Nobody looks at it, Warren said she had no knowledge of it. Directory flagged anyone who answered anything other than European/White
It’s yet another straw conservatives keep holding on to.

 

[mikeymikec]

I didn't bother with your question for that reason, and because it doesn't even relate to Warren. I mean, she has never lived on a reservation. She isn't involved with the community. And she has no membership with any tribe and probably couldn't even if she pursued it.

You were implying that she should have pursued membership for... reasons, hence my original question.

Ethnicity is more objective. You look at the person and can identify which racial group they belong to easily (for the most part). The tribal requirements have much more subjectivity to them. You can make them as lax and stringent as you want, signaling arbitrariness.

Your wish to identify people as such is just tribalism of a different sort, IMO.

 

[Jhhnn]

It’s some stupid law directory that colleges use to showcase their professors
Nobody looks at it, Warren said she had no knowledge of it. Directory flagged anyone who answered anything other than European/White
It’s yet another straw conservatives keep holding on to.

So somebody else made the claim, not her.

 

[Maxima1]

When did she claim that?

From the bostonglobe article linked here previously:

"In what would be her final year at the University of Texas, Warren made a decision that would come to haunt her: She listed herself in the Association of American Law Schools annual directory as a minority law professor."

Trump claimed zero. He was obviously wrong.

Yeah, but we already know he's an idiot. I'm sure there was some, and probably more simply because Trump said it, but I do recall many saying they have Cherokee [insert whatever] blood in them. Even in this thread you see many people claiming it.

You were implying that she should have pursued membership for... reasons, hence my original question.

If she has such an affinity to it as she implies, why not? But now she made it even more obvious why this isn't happening.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/politics/elizabeth-warren-donald-trump-pocahontas/index.html

"The problem is that, when you strip away all of the glitz of her well-produced video, you are left with this: There's still no certainty that Warren is, in any meaningful way, Native American."

 

[compuwiz1]

Actually the more I think about this, the funnier it is. It's what happens when people identify and play the identity politics thing. Backfired like an ACME cartoon prop.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So somebody else made the claim, not her.

Yes but it’s complicated think of it as a professional directory that your employer uses. They have you listed as a minority when you think you are not.
Maybe you knew of the claim & did nothing to correct it. Maybe you had no knowledge of it.

 

[cytg111]

Anyone claiming they're a "minority law professor" or checks that as their ethnicity is obviously identifying. She knows what it implies.

- That is EXACTLY the kind of meth-logic I was talking about. Only in lala land.

As I said previously, I had already agreed that heritage is a lower bar, so Trump loses on that, but he muddied this with his statement right after that one about proving she's "an Indian". Warren didn't try to get a more concise bet, and then draws it out again (why?) showing what many already thought -- she had a tenuous link at best..

- So its on her to engage Trump in his racist slur to get a precise definition of the bet? Trump has never given a precise ANYTHING about ANYTHING.. and why the hell should she help him out of stupid?

Yeah, but we already know he's an idiot..

- So we give the idiot a pass cause idiots gonna idiot? The second you go there its all over.

 

[Vic]

Actually the more I think about this, the funnier it is. It's what happens when people identify and play the identity politics thing. Backfired like an ACME cartoon prop.

So it's somehow not identity politics to push the notion that minorities have it better than whites? Because that claim by Trump is where all this started.
I disagree with Warren for playing Trump's game here, and doing that is certainly what 'backfired,' but there should be no question that it is Trump and his ilk who are the ones playing identity politics.
The reason you don't get that, compuwiz, is because you believe education and knowledge are liberal conspiracies.

 

[mikeymikec]

If she has such an affinity to it as she implies, why not?

As it matters to you, the actually appropriate question to ask is 'why'. So, as I asked you in the first place, why does it matter?

 

[kage69]

Too bad their statement makes no sense, considering she made no claim of tribal membership. Many of their members are pissed about the statement as well.

Right, it's Warren that is undermining tribal interests here. Definitively not the people killing voting rights for Native Americans, turning their communities into diabetes-riddled ghost towns with shitty or no water, but plenty of uranium contamination. Couldn't be the people pushing the KeystoneXL, or raping protected lands for strip mining.

Nope, it's that Elizabeth Warren, for quashing the racially-flavored slander with exactly what would do it, as per the orange dipshit who popularized the whole stupid thing.

Earth to Cherokee Nation - wake the hell up.

 

[Bitek]

Birtherism: take two.

Who're the fools again?

I don't know why she decided to put this out there. Does not really help the situation, only fuels it.

Regardless of the merits, it moves the (idiotic) debate onto Trump's field where he is the Master of Idiots and Hypocrisy.

She needs to stick to get issues.

It's poorly enough handled that I'm questioning her fitness to run in 2020. Can't have another Hillary that find their way out of stupidity traps.

 

[Thebobo]

Only about as much as those that do not consider themselves "indians", Native Americans.

When you parents tell you you have indians ancestry growing up you listen to them there was no such thing as DNA.