I would say what transgression? She didn't know the percentage. And as I pointed out that number she now knows may change as more DNA is collected.
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So, I had originally linked to snopes re: this issue. And although they did not highlight the pertinent information, upon closer inspection I did read this:
...and it is true that while Warren was at U. Penn. Law School she put herself on the “Minority Law Teacher” list as Native American) in the faculty directory of the Association of American Law Schools, and that Harvard Law School at one time promoted Warren as a Native American faculty member.
Seems a bit much to assert those things given she never knew any living ancestor who was raised Native. But if her parents had promoted it, I could see a child continuing to ride a simple family tradition, however far fetched it may be. Was it wrong to do so? Yes, to some extent it was.
Do I particularly care? I'll say this, if Warren is on the general ballot I'd vote for her.
Her transgression is minor, we have more important issues.
It’s not really a transgression. It seems to have been proven completely accurate. If the argument is she didn’t have irrefutable proof beyond family stories of their background then that’s not much of a transgression.So, I had originally linked to snopes re: this issue. And although they did not highlight the pertinent information, upon closer inspection I did read this:
...and it is true that while Warren was at U. Penn. Law School she put herself on the “Minority Law Teacher” list as Native American) in the faculty directory of the Association of American Law Schools, and that Harvard Law School at one time promoted Warren as a Native American faculty member.
Seems a bit much to assert those things given she never knew any living ancestor who was raised Native. But if her parents had promoted it, I could see a child continuing to ride a simple family tradition, however far fetched it may be. Was it wrong to do so? Yes, to some extent it was.
Do I particularly care? I'll say this, if Warren is on the general ballot I'd vote for her.
Her transgression is minor, we have more important issues.
Bold? I believe the new term is Trumpian. He’s done this repeatedly and the faithful hVe to twist and bend each time to try and find a way to make him right.It's pretty bold to deny you said something there is video proof of.
It’s not really a transgression. It seems to have been proven completely accurate. If the argument is she didn’t have irrefutable proof beyond family stories of their background then that’s not much of a transgression.
The main issue I see is the lies the right made up about her heritage claim and the orange shit bag going on about it for years, using charitable contributions as a weapon, only to tuck tail and run.
It's pretty bold to deny you said something there is video proof of.
It’s not really a transgression. It seems to have been proven completely accurate.
Does she have Indian ancestry or not?6-10 generations removed, we'll have to agree to disagree on the right to lay claim to such ancestry in a meaningful way.
Although I would be curious to learn what is considered socially normal on the subject. I mean, once a person achieves 75% majority... are they still a minority? At first thought I'd say no. Does it depend on being born and raised, culturally, or knowing a living ancestor who was? Does it depend on other people's reactions and assumptions?
Ultimately this isn't simply a topic of ancestors, but how society allows people to claim status and/or heritage. Because how we regard one another is a purely social construct. So it's going to run into all sorts of varied opinions and subjective meanings.
Does she have Indian ancestry or not?
So, we're going by looks now? Take a good look at Bill John Baker, current Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation:I don't know where the heritage thing came about besides Trump's rally. Prior, it was about Warren passing herself off as a minority when she looks completely European, and the unsubstantiated claim that she benefited from it.
https://www.politico.com/story/2012/05/how-warren-bungled-first-controversy-075903
"The Democratic Senate candidate in Massachusetts has delivered a series of uneven and confusing responses to revelations that she once listed herself as a minority law teacher, raising questions about whether this is just one blip in a long race or an image-defining moment that undercuts her profile as an authentic populist candidate.
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“If she is 1/32nd Native American … is it really appropriate to list yourself that way and knowing you will therefore be listed as a minority law professor?” asked William Jacobson, associate clinical professor of Cornell Law School, the author of a blog read in the legal community. “Why in the world would you list yourself when it is such a tenuous and distant relationship?”
Only about as much as those that do not consider themselves "indians", Native Americans.
Impossible. People here have already proclaimed that 1/32nd does not qualify someone as being able to claim native heritage.So, we're going by looks now? Take a good look at Bill John Baker, current Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_John_Baker
So, we're going by looks now? Take a good look at Bill John Baker, current Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_John_Baker
So, we're going by looks now? Take a good look at Bill John Baker, current Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_John_Baker
I’m thinking his point is that the native groups recognize him as native. Enough to elect him their leader. What you guys think about his heritage doesn’t mean shit.Yes, I know that. Wikipedia says he's 1/32th Cherokee. His looks are a good indication that he didn't have that much Native American in him (in fact, he's probably the same as I am). What's your point? I think it's ludicrous if you want to argue that people like me are minorities.
No need to wait, it's right here in this thread.I for one am really looking forward to when she runs for president so we can engage in endless, pointless, bad faith litigating about what counts as Native American ancestry.
I’m thinking his point is that the native groups recognize him as native. Enough to elect him their leader. What you guys think about his heritage doesn’t mean shit.
I don’t care what you claim. Nor do I have any right to decide what your ancestry qualifies as. If the group that you descend from says you qualify then so be it. You qualify should you decide to claim that right.Don't bring heritage in this. That's just Trump parroting the argument Warren wants it to be about. I never said the stories or whatever she says were passed down weren't true.
Anyway, what the tribes do with ancestry is completely subjective. If you want to be logical about this, does this mean I'm a minority to you? Should I get affirmative action? Should I be passed off as diversifying a given group I'm in?
Don't bring heritage in this. That's just Trump parroting the argument Warren wants it to be about. I never said the stories or whatever she says were passed down weren't true.
Anyway, what the tribes do with ancestry is completely subjective. If you want to be logical about this, does this mean I'm a minority to you? Should I get affirmative action? Should I be passed off as diversifying a given group I'm in?