Elizabeth Warren takes a DNA test. Trump lies about charity offer.

[Josephus312]

I don't know why they switched, nor do I care or think it matters in any way. This is a fringe group that you think somehow will create a "gotcha!" for you. The KKK is essentially a big nothing burger today... what they do has zero bearing on the mainstream direction of either the left or right. They represent the right the same way someone like James Hodgkinson would represent the left.

God damn you are a useless tool. First you proclaim that the KKK are democratic supporters and when shown that they are not anymore because the parties switched sides you go with "they are irrelevant".

I don't think you are worth the effort to take a shit on so you are on ignore now.

 

[woolfe9998]

Some things in this world extend beyond Trump. America would do well to remember that.

Which doesn't mean anything at all unless you want to explain how it applies here.

Warren grew up listening to her mother talk about "our native American heritage." Was it a mistake for her to list herself that way in some college publication based only on family lore? Perhaps. Then again, I can think of a few more serious political scandals than this, like all of them.

I seriously hope when she runs in 2020 that the right plays this up to the max, showing up at rallies with head dresses, tomahawk cops, etc. etc. If this is the best they can do, 2020 is already over.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Let's see, he welched this, the hole in one at his golf course, and when he offered $5 million for Obama to prove he was born in Hawaii, and didn't pay it even after he released the long form and even after Trump admitted he was born in Hawaii. That's three times that I'm aware of. I bet that's the tip of the iceberg.

Numerous contractors , on the list.

 

[Josephus312]

Which doesn't mean anything at all unless you want to explain how it applies here.

Warren grew up listening to her mother talk about "our native American heritage." Was it a mistake for her to list herself that way in some college publication based only on family lore? Perhaps. Then again, I can think of a few more serious political scandals than this, like all of them.

I seriously hope when she runs in 2020 that the right plays this up to the max, showing up at rallies with head dresses, tomahawk cops, etc. etc. If this is the best they can do, 2020 is already over.

If she runs on the bill she proposed about ending lobbyism and corruption she will have my vote.

If she can pull that off it will mean that a LOT of people will lose their seats in an instant and be replaced by people who are not just there to loot the nation and do the bidding of the highest bidder but actually represent the people. If she does THAT she will be the greatest president in US history.

 

[m8d]

Elizabeth Warren pulled Trumps bitch card.

 

[Bitek]

Which doesn't mean anything at all unless you want to explain how it applies here.

Warren grew up listening to her mother talk about "our native American heritage." Was it a mistake for her to list herself that way in some college publication based only on family lore? Perhaps. Then again, I can think of a few more serious political scandals than this, like all of them.

I seriously hope when she runs in 2020 that the right plays this up to the max, showing up at rallies with head dresses, tomahawk cops, etc. etc. If this is the best they can do, 2020 is already over.

Aside from the Warren and the college aspect, i think there is more to heritage than just DNA.

It's about culture and identity. Many Americans come from a mixed background, but I imagine most people pick out one of their lines as more defining than the other in terms of identity and heritage.

I have 16 great grandparents, but I really know only a few prominent ones and their background, which forms my background and family identity. Would this exactly align to DNA results? No.

I mentioned earlier I was some part Cherokee, and also learned I was part Choctaw. All told, DNA % was well into double digits. (Ancestry search also confirmed.) Family has some connection to this same region Warren is from, OK panhandle area (CO, OK, KS, TX). Perhaps it's more common in that area .

Don't make much of it, other than it's in the complex tapestry of a typical melting pot American background.

I do think Trump's mocking her as Pocahontas is both childish and a ham fisted attempt at racial denigration.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Trump specified the method of proof when he asked for a DNA test. She provided it. End of story.

Not end of story. She really hasn't proven anything. She has some exceptionally small percentage of Native American DNA and has been in no way part of any tribal upbringing or celebrates that culture other than using it to get an advantage over others. This only makes her look worse, not Trump.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Not end of story. She really hasn't proven anything. She has some exceptionally small percentage of Native American DNA and has been in no way part of any tribal upbringing or celebrates that culture other than using it to get an advantage over others. This only makes her look worse, not Trump.

For someone with a small brain like yourself, Warren proved she has Native American heritage. Trump is on video offering a million dollars and now denies he said it. Who's lying? Trump, you stupid moron.

 

[SlowSpyder]

God damn you are a useless tool. First you proclaim that the KKK are democratic supporters and when shown that they are not anymore because the parties switched sides you go with "they are irrelevant".

I don't think you are worth the effort to take a shit on so you are on ignore now.

It really pains me that you won't see my reply, but it is best you put me on ignore and protect your bubble. KKK members were Democrats, today they are right leaning. Who cares? They are a very small group of racists. That has nothing to do with the reality that the left mimics the Nazis of old more than the Nazis of today... the left are the new conservatives. They are the ones that have sneaked in socially acceptable forms of racism and sexism. They are the ones that try to use law to push their version of morality. Today the left's mainstream message is one of racism, on the right you have some fringe groups that are racist. There is a big difference. The Democrat plantation.

 

[ElFenix]

It really pains me that you won't see my reply, but it is best you put me on ignore and protect your bubble. KKK members were Democrats, today they are right leaning. Who cares? They are a very small group of racists. That has nothing to do with the reality that the left mimics the Nazis of old more than the Nazis of today... the left are the new conservatives. They are the ones that have sneaked in socially acceptable forms of racism and sexism. They are the ones that try to use law to push their version of morality. Today the left's mainstream message is one of racism, on the right you have some fringe groups that are racist. There is a big difference. The Democrat plantation.

bless your heart

 

[WelshBloke]

It really pains me that you won't see my reply, but it is best you put me on ignore and protect your bubble. KKK members were Democrats, today they are right leaning. Who cares? They are a very small group of racists. That has nothing to do with the reality that the left mimics the Nazis of old more than the Nazis of today... the left are the new conservatives. They are the ones that have sneaked in socially acceptable forms of racism and sexism. They are the ones that try to use law to push their version of morality. Today the left's mainstream message is one of racism, on the right you have some fringe groups that are racist. There is a big difference. The Democrat plantation.

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[SlowSpyder]

Indeed he did but he's now saying that he never said that.

Also, the rule is 1.5% to legally claim you are a native American and she fits (she's anywhere from 3.5-0.5% which makes her legal claim true) that rule not to mention the DNA test shows that what she has claimed is true.

Of course, Trumps defense should be that she didn't qualify for what he made up that she said so he shouldn't have to pay but the weasely little fucker didn't even go with that, he just went with "nuh-uh, never said it".

This is the President of the US, a lowly little troll who can never admit when he's wrong. Just hope that someone doesn't challenge him because he'd start a war not to have to admit he can possibly be wrong.

Six generations back would give her 64 great, great, great... grandparents that make up her DNA. If she had a single Native American ancestor six generations back, that means she is 1/64 Native American. And that's best case, 10 generations back is 1024 ancestors... She is the liar here, in any practical way that can be considered, she is not Native American. But, then again we're living in the world where anyone can identify as whatever they want and we're expected to pretend that's reality for the sake of their feelings.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

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Spoken like a true dishonest and honorless welcher, but i've already had my say in this thread.

 

[SlowSpyder]

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The same handful of people throwing insults and high fiving each other. Same since when I posted here months back, no new posters, but the same core group of leftists. Carry on guys.

 

[fskimospy]

I find it very funny just how right I was.

You conservatives are clowns.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I find it very funny just how right I was.

You conservatives are clowns.

You are right that the KKK is generally understood to be a rightist group. They are a very small fringe group and Republicans and the right reject their views. That was never a point of contention. What is a point of contention that you haven't owned up to yet is that the left are the true racists and are the ones that have implemented socially acceptable racism as part of the mainstream left agenda.

 

[Jaskalas]

I have 16 great grandparents,

Eh?

1 You.
2 Parents.
4 Grandparents.
8 Great Grandparents.

 

[pcgeek11]

I think 1/1024th is nothing and Warren is full of crap and obviously so does the Cherokee Nation in their statement about her DNA Test.

https://www.kjrh.com/news/local-new...nt-on-sen-elizabeth-warren-s-dna-test-results

"A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship. Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person's ancestors were indigenous to North or South America. Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation. Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is prove. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage."

- Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin, Jr.

That being said. Trump should pay her charity the million dollars. If for no other reason than he can afford it and to shut her up.

 

[fskimospy]

You are right that the KKK is generally understood to be a rightist group. They are a very small fringe group and Republicans and the right reject their views. That was never a point of contention. What is a point of contention that you haven't owned up to yet is that the left are the true racists and are the ones that have implemented socially acceptable racism as part of the mainstream left agenda.

So why did the KKK change parties?

 

[SlowSpyder]

So why did the KKK change parties?

Don't know why a fringe group does what it does. Why'd the left adopt racism as their mainstream view?

 

[Josephus312]

So why did the KKK change parties?

He'll play dumb and say that he doesn't know, it's the standard theme of the Neo Nazi who plays pretend he's not a Neo Nazi and sometimes forget what forum he's on and lets some of it out in the wrong place.

 

[IEC]

Official Cherokee Nation response:

TAHLEQUAH, Okla. — Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin Jr. issued the following statement Monday in response to Senator Elizabeth Warren’s DNA test claiming Native Heritage:

"A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship. Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person’s ancestors were indigenous to North or South America," Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin Jr. said. "Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation. Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is proven. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage."

Source:
http://www.cherokee.org/News/Stories/20181015_Cherokee-Nation-responds-to-Senator-Warrens-DNA-test

 

[Commodus]

Official Cherokee Nation response:


Source:
http://www.cherokee.org/News/Stories/20181015_Cherokee-Nation-responds-to-Senator-Warrens-DNA-test

I agree with that, even as I think Warren just called Trump's bluff. Warren may have some native heritage (and Trump, as always, is a liar), but she really shouldn't be flaunting it.

 

[Josephus312]

Official Cherokee Nation response:


Source:
http://www.cherokee.org/News/Stories/20181015_Cherokee-Nation-responds-to-Senator-Warrens-DNA-test

That's rich considering that the leader of the Cherokee nation is 1/32 Cherokee and whiter than a redhead from Ireland.

The legal precedent is 1.5% or 1/64 and she matches that with or without any DNA test. A DNA test was only made on a challenge from Donald Trump and they can't condemn him because they know he would take offense and punish them.

We ALL know that he's that petty but some would like to play pretend that he isn't even though he always is.

 

[fskimospy]

Don't know why a fringe group does what it does. Why'd the left adopt racism as their mainstream view?

It is hard to know! You say the Democrats are so racist so I would think racist groups would flock to them. Oddly enough they flock to republicans.

Why do you think that is?