Worst case, it might be like diesel gate where they have to offer to buy back vehicles. Honestly, I imagine most people would keep theirs.
Worst case, it might be like diesel gate where they have to offer to buy back vehicles. Honestly, I imagine most people would keep theirs.Class action incoming?
Worst case, it might be like diesel gate where they have to offer to buy back vehicles. Honestly, I imagine most people would keep theirs.
The part about the software not reporting facts is the deal breaker.Unfortunately no. They are testing 70 MPH highway range against the EV EPA combined numbers, so most EVs come up short when you do that. It's an Apples vs Oranges comparison.
Though the "diversion team" stuff is really slimy.
I get that you won't always hit epa numbers. EVs are still subject to similar limitations as ICE vehicles in that ambient conditions (speed, temperature, grade) will make a massive difference.Unfortunately no. They are testing 70 MPH highway range against the EV EPA combined numbers, so most EVs come up short when you do that. It's an Apples vs Oranges comparison.
Though the "diversion team" stuff is really slimy.
I get that you won't always hit epa numbers. EVs are still subject to similar limitations as ICE vehicles in that ambient conditions (speed, temperature, grade) will make a massive difference.
But a whole team dedicated to obfuscating range concerns from customers and the software behind it says that they're lying, and actively defrauding customers.
But even if a class action suit is successful, I don't see it doing a ton of damage to Tesla. I find it difficult to imagine any EPA penalties would be very stiff, unlike diesel gate with active defeat of emissions regulations) and any required customer buy-back would probably see limited acceptance of an offer. So maybe Tesla gets hit for $100M? 200M? Nothing like the $20B that VW got hit by
At this point I'm beginning to think that Russia has kompromat material on Elon.Elon Musk’s Twitter bans ad showing Republican interrupting couple in bedroom
‘Elon Musk loves free speech, but only when it’s convenient for him and his far-right political agenda,’ says founder of Progress Action Fundwww.independent.co.uk
Someone is all about that free speech tho
I am beginning to think that Elon needs an actual ass whoopin'. To no ones surprise though he is backing out of the fight vs Zuckerberg. Cause he a bitch.At this point I'm beginning to think that Russia has kompromat material on Elon.
The EPA needs to massively update their testing in general, and manufacturers should no longer be able to self certify the numbers.Again, not seeing any evidence they are reporting anything other than the EPA numbers. The EPA is not going to bust them for reporting EPA numbers.
Even if they cheated on the EPA numbers it's a slap on the wrist. There won't be buybacks. It has happened numerous times. The worse case I remember is hyundai where it was a fairly systematic "error" that had them overstating MPG on a bunch of cars.
Hyundai Will Settle Overstated Gas Mileage Lawsuits
Last November, Korean automakers Hyundai and Kia found themselves in hot, and rather deep water. An EPA investigation found each manufacturer had overstated its gas mileage window stickers on 13 models--some by as much as 6 mpg. Hyundai has now agreed to settle lawsuits that followed the...www.greencarreports.com
The problem here is I don't think they are cheating. It's well known that Tesla is taking advantage of an alternate (but officially approved) EPA test method that gives more optimistic results. It's scummy that they do this, but it's an EPA approved option.
This video explains what Tesla is doing different, than what most others are doing, that gives them more inflated results:
IOW, they don't need to cheat, because EPA gives everyone the option to take a longer easier test...
Alex, doesn't blame Tesla, but the EPA. He's half right. I blame them both. EPA should make everyone take the same test for more comparable results, but shame on any manufacturer taking the easy version to inflate their numbers.
The EPA needs to massively update their testing in general, and manufacturers should no longer be able to self certify the numbers.
I am beginning to think that Elon needs an actual ass whoopin'. To no ones surprise though he is backing out of the fight vs Zuckerberg. Cause he a bitch.
Really highway should just be 70 mph on an interstate, using E10 gas for ICE. The current highway test doesn't reflect the vast majority of highway driving at all. It also causes manufacturers to optimize for much lower speeds than the vast majority of highway miles are done at.Agreed. They need a massive update. The current test is aimed at ICE cars.
The reason EPA give a more favorable adjustment if you run the full 5 cycles, is that the additional tests have more low speed test, that would make ICE results worse, so they compensate with the more favorable adjustment, but for an EV this is reversed, since it does better at lower speed, so the 5-cycle gives improved results, and then they still give a more favorable adjustment factor. That's just nuts. It's basically a loophole that isn't working as intendended.
Really highway should just be 70 mph on an interstate, using E10 gas for ICE. The current highway test doesn't reflect the vast majority of highway driving at all. It also causes manufacturers to optimize for much lower speeds than the vast majority of highway miles are done at.
Tesla has been lying about their range for years, and then provides shit customer service, who could've guessed that?
Tesla exaggerated EV range so much that drivers thought cars were broken
Inundated with complaints, Tesla created "Diversion Team" to cancel appointments.arstechnica.com
Musk reinstated Kanye West's account despite his having posted a threat to “Go death con 3 on JEWISH PEOPLE.”
West "will not be able to monetize his account, and no ads will appear next to his posts." But I guess it's okay to threaten to kill people because of their religion. Yup.
Elon is desperately trying to boost the networking effects of his network.Musk reinstated Kanye West's account despite his having posted a threat to “Go death con 3 on JEWISH PEOPLE.”
West "will not be able to monetize his account, and no ads will appear next to his posts." But I guess it's okay to threaten to kill people because of their religion. Yup.
I'm really starting to wonder if this Elmo guy is really a free speech absolutist.Twitter Sues Nonprofit That Tracks Hate Speech
The Center for Countering Digital Hate said it had received a letter from X, Twitter’s parent company, accusing it of trying to hurt the social platform with its research.www.nytimes.com
elmo elmo elmo....
I'm really starting to wonder if this Elmo guy is really a free speech absolutist.
Plato said you can’t believe everything you read on the internet.What? Nooooo!!!! Impossible!
He said he was a free speech advocate! I read it on the Internet so it must be true!
Relevant:I wonder If Elon could Tri-market Tesla, SpaceX, and X under the XXX Umbrella. Our beautiful Phallic rocket with find its way into your peachy Tesla for some good luvin and post it through X Xvideos