Elon Musk now owns 9.2% of twitter...update.. will soon be the sole owner as Board of Directors accepts his purchase offer

[Brainonska511]

My point was that I wish people would not give Musk so much of their time of day when it come to his political views just because his richest man in the world based of other gifts that don’t translate into psychologically sound human wisdom, an area in which I see him as crippled and in no small part by his upbringing. I put this into effect by ignoring this thread his postings his businesses etc.

People pay attention to him because he has a lot of money and a media platform, both of which he uses to try and influence politicians. He doesn't exist in a vacuum.

The world is a war of two year olds. I’m at least three, in my opinion.

The mark of a stupid person is someone who wants to just go straight to blaming both sides. To suggest that this is how the world works is frankly moronic.

 

[K1052]

People pay attention to him because he has a lot of money and a media platform, both of which he uses to try and influence politicians. He doesn't exist in a vacuum.

The only good news is that like with running social media companies he is an absolute grade A moron when it comes to politics who is going to be fleeced by every consultant in the game.

 

[Moonbeam]

People pay attention to him because he has a lot of money and a media platform, both of which he uses to try and influence politicians. He doesn't exist in a vacuum.

He does if you pay no attention to him. You create his significance.

The mark of a stupid person is someone who wants to just go straight to blaming both sides. To suggest that this is how the world works is frankly moronic.

You said frankly moronic, I said my opinion. Apparently you are taking yourself more seriously than I do. I didn’t go straight there. I went there to emphasize an aspect of what can happen when people focus on the opinions of people whose notoriety exists in the minds of people who lack wisdom. The way the world works IS moronic.

 

[Brainonska511]

He does if you pay no attention to him. You create his significance.

He has lots of money. He can buy his significance whether we pay attention or not.

 

[Moonbeam]

He has lots of money. He can buy his significance whether we pay attention or not.

When you say he is buying significance you are saying his money allows him to be a part of the noise out there people listen to instead of cultivating their own inner good sense. That happens because you have been taught that you yourself have no significance unless you can buy it somehow. You can do that buy becoming a Musk listener. My small insignificant advise is not to buy into it. I am an expert in the field. I know nothing like everybody else. As you can see, I don't even listen to myself.

 

[Brainonska511]

When you say he is buying significance you are saying his money allows him to be a part of the noise out there people listen to instead of cultivating their own inner good sense. That happens because you have been taught that you yourself have no significance unless you can buy it somehow. You can do that buy becoming a Musk listener. My small insignificant advise is not to buy into it. I am an expert in the field. I know nothing like everybody else. As you can see, I don't even listen to myself.

Here in reality, money buys people access: to law makers, to media channels, to other trend setters... As much as I'd like to ignore people like Musk, it's absolutely preposterous to think that you can somehow get the public to ignore the really rich guy leveraging those aforementioned means.

But you also seem to love living in some sort of bizarre fantasy land, where reality just doesn't penetrate.

 

[Moonbeam]

Here in reality, money buys people access: to law makers, to media channels, to other trend setters... As much as I'd like to ignore people like Musk, it's absolutely preposterous to think that you can somehow get the public to ignore the really rich guy leveraging those aforementioned means.

But you also seem to love living in some sort of bizarre fantasy land, where reality just doesn't penetrate.

I am not trying to get the public to ignore Musk. I am telling you that I ignore him and his opinions and recommend you do the same. I determine my own reality, the only one there is. The reality you describe is the one that your belief in it creates. Just pointing that out for your consideration. Maybe to get your attention better I should offer to give you a baby.

 

[Pontius Dilate]

Why Biden won't talk about Tesla

President Biden rarely mentions Tesla Inc. and Elon Musk — an omission that is revealing about the administration’s plans for electric vehicles, analysts

www.eenews.net

I leave you to decide if this is bigotry. I think it is. One of the unfortunate results of the labor management antipathy generated by capitalist greed that infects even Democrats, especially old school ones.

It’s not bigotry. Tesla does not need encouragement from the administration to build electric cars and infrastructure. The big 3 do. Tesla has gotten plenty of encouragement in the form of billions of dollars in federal subsidies in any event. Tesla isn’t even a car company, they are an AI Robotics company according to their leadership. Bigotry not found.

 

[Greenman]

People pay attention to him because he has a lot of money and a media platform, both of which he uses to try and influence politicians. He doesn't exist in a vacuum.


The mark of a stupid person is someone who wants to just go straight to blaming both sides. To suggest that this is how the world works is frankly moronic.

This enlightened position is based on the idea that one side is always wrong, that being the one you disagree with.

 

[K1052]

This enlightened position is based on the idea that one side is always wrong, that being the one you disagree with.

No, I think it implies that examining the facts to see if one side is just flat out lying or not should probably come before declaring the positions equivalent if opposing.

 

[pmv]

This enlightened position is based on the idea that one side is always wrong, that being the one you disagree with.

By definition one is going to think that the side one disagrees with is wrong. That's what disagreeing _means_.

 

[IronWing]

This enlightened position is based on the idea that one side is always wrong, that being the one you disagree with.

Can recall a time in the past four decades that conservatives were right about anything at all?

 

[Zorba]

Can recall a time in the past four decades that conservatives were right about anything at all?

Reagan was right about tearing down the wall.

Bush 1 was right about raising taxes, freeing Kuwait and stopping.

Bush 2 was right about Medicare part D, except for not funding it or showing negotiation. IIRC his immigration policy ideas would be considered pretty liberal today.

Trump is a fucking moron, but I do think him pushing for more trade protection against China has been a net good. Also Operation warp speed.

 

[K1052]

but I do think him pushing for more trade protection against China has been a net good

Tariffs are terrible and ineffective policy that unfortunately are somewhat popular with the electorate. A bunch of companies in the US did not open up because the we tariffed say clothing from China, the prices just went up. Same thing with the nixed acquisition of US Steel by Nippon Steel. It is likely bad policy to cancel it and absent some major government investment in steelmaking likely to harm the industry long term for lack of capital investment. Single minded protectionism is not good strategy.

 

[Brainonska511]

Tariffs are terrible and ineffective policy that unfortunately are somewhat popular with the electorate. A bunch of companies in the US did not open up because the we tariffed say clothing from China, the prices just went up.

I had a nice, low profile heatsink from Cryorig in one of my builds. The tariffs slapped on imports by the Trump administration basically killed their US business and they no longer sell here.

Same thing with the nixed acquisition of US Steel by Nippon Steel. It is likely bad policy to cancel it and absent some major government investment in steelmaking likely to harm the industry long term for lack of capital investment. Single minded protectionism is not good strategy.

If US Steel had any other name, it's likely the government would not have stepped in. The people decrying the idea of what effectively is "Japan Steel" taking over the plant are kind of dumb. US Steel's solution to the plant is going to be shutting it down since they can't afford to upgrade it, whereas Nippon was going to upgrade it. Plus, it's not like a foreign company can just expropriate a giant steel mill and ship all that production overseas - the capital is all in the physical location.

 

[Zorba]

Tariffs are terrible and ineffective policy that unfortunately are somewhat popular with the electorate. A bunch of companies in the US did not open up because the we tariffed say clothing from China, the prices just went up. Same thing with the nixed acquisition of US Steel by Nippon Steel. It is likely bad policy to cancel it and absent some major government investment in steelmaking likely to harm the industry long term for lack of capital investment. Single minded protectionism is not good strategy.

When we are more expensive because we care about labor and environmental protections and when they illegally subsidize their products, it makes sense. Just exporting our labor violations and pollution elsewhere doesn't make sense.

I agree about US Steel.

 

[K1052]

When we are more expensive because we care about labor and environmental protections and when they illegally subsidize their products, it makes sense. Just exporting our labor violations and pollution elsewhere doesn't make sense.

I agree about US Steel.

If tariffs did anything to actually address those issues instead of simply raising the prices on products and inputs for the US I think there would be an argument. We're just paying the extra and not fixing anything though and consumers get to experience it as inflation.

 

[IronWing]

Reagan was right about tearing down the wall.

Bush 1 was right about raising taxes, freeing Kuwait and stopping.

Bush 2 was right about Medicare part D, except for not funding it or showing negotiation. IIRC his immigration policy ideas would be considered pretty liberal today.

Trump is a fucking moron, but I do think him pushing for more trade protection against China has been a net good. Also Operation warp speed.

Reagan's terribad policies had absolutely nothing to do with the wall coming down other than to delay it.

Bush was right about raising taxes, true. Bush didn't free Kuwait; he restored the previous despot to his golden throne, hardly an admirable action.

Bush 2 used Medicare D to enrich his donors at the expense of the taxpayers, nothing admirable there either.

 

[Zorba]

If tariffs did anything to actually address those issues instead of simply raising the prices on products and inputs for the US I think there would be an argument. We're just paying the extra and not fixing anything though and consumers get to experience it as inflation.

So making Chinese goods more expensive does not make it more economical to manufacture those goods elsewhere? Better tell the Obama and Biden administration that as well.

Of course it raises prices for the consumer, but allows other locations to be more competitive in the market place.

 

[Zorba]

Reagan's terribad policies had absolutely nothing to do with the wall coming down other than to delay it.

Bush was right about raising taxes, true. Bush didn't free Kuwait; he restored the previous despot to his golden throne, hardly an admirable action.

Bush 2 used Medicare D to enrich his donors at the expense of the taxpayers, nothing admirable there either.

So Bush should not have liberated Kuwait?

So Medicare Part D hasn't helped anyone other than his donors?

Saying that no republican has done anything good since 1984 just makes people look like partisan hacks. Just like dems have done some bad things in the last 40 years, republicans have managed to do a few decent things.

All three of the non-trump republicans also signed major arms reduction treaties, which I believe have been a net positive. Reagan authorized GPS and opened it for civilian use.

 

[K1052]

So making Chinese goods more expensive does not make it more economical to manufacture those goods elsewhere?

Best case scenario is that it causes nearshoring by those same companies into places like Mexico and the rest of Latin America. Just shifting things around for no real benefit and US consumers paying more to do it. Even Trump's proposed 100% tariffs on China won't cause those businesses to appear in the US because it's still not worth it. People will just be stuck paying way more for everything.

Better tell the Obama and Biden administration that as well.

Indeed the tariff illness is bipartisan if dramatically unequal.

 

[Moonbeam]

This enlightened position is based on the idea that one side is always wrong, that being the one you disagree with.

This is how people not trained and dedicated to scientific thinking do things. Science says make a theory and test it against reality. If the theory explains the results in a consistent manner scientific theories take on new titles like Laws. People who operate on the basis that their opinion of things is the truth begin to assume at an unconscious level an outward expression of that inner assumed belief. In this way the mind becomes a prisoner past conditioning.

Everything then becomes a matter of past prejudice for anything that can't be rigorously scientifically tested, even what can or can't be so tested. And what are we to do with a question like, do we see the world upside down or right side up. We see it up side down but try to convince yourself of that. If you wear special glasses that turn it right side up you will be sick for a while and then everything will go back to normal.

You are mocking the enlightened position based on the fact that people always ascribe to themselves that they have the enlightened view. I would say that real enlightenment does not involve opinion so between one enlighten person and another there can be no disagreement. So where disagreement comes into play is based on the degree to which people are aware, the degree to which they experience the world directly or react to it our of past conditioning. Truth then would be that which is seen when awareness has transcended conditioning.

But this isn't anything but words. Putting things into words are just fingers pointing at the moon. In a state of awareness there can only be awareness, no? There can't be anything else like thinking or having opinions.

So why worry. Isn't worry the fear that if people do not act out of truth life will go terribly wrong. Of course it will. The moment you believe in right and wrong, good and bad etc you have introduced comparison. Comparison involves discrimination based on personal opinion which creates argument which generates conflict between variously biased parties and we wind up in threads like this.

Science attempts to eliminate the bias of the observer by stipulating repeatable results. Schools of Knowledge teach that the observer creates the observed and thus is the observed. So the acquisition of real wisdom involves polishing the mirror in which reality reflects. An empty self can reflect what is. Only the individual can empty himself by going in the direction of ones fears and seeing they are reenactments of past conditions, the Karma we carry. This is just words I offer for whatever you may see in them.

 

[Moonbeam]

It’s not bigotry. Tesla does not need encouragement from the administration to build electric cars and infrastructure. The big 3 do. Tesla has gotten plenty of encouragement in the form of billions of dollars in federal subsidies in any event. Tesla isn’t even a car company, they are an AI Robotics company according to their leadership. Bigotry not found.

This isn't a Tesla thread. What does it matter what Tesla needs. The question doesn't even make sense, really. Only people not corporate entities can feel need. The piece I quoted used the expression that Musk felt snubbed. I used that expression too. My opinion is that emotionally needy people only can feel snubbed when some need, some need for attention and care isn't met, real or imagined. I say he grew up not having those needs met and that left him vulnerable as an adult to feeling demeaned and left out. I say that influences his actions and gives him his personality and character. Neediness creates egocentricity is a form of bigotry. Everything is about him and his feelings, ones he is not even consciously aware of. This is my opinion. I am sticking with it.

Thank you for expressing your own. A healthy mind would not be bothered by the same unconscious bigotry coming from Biden who was consciously aware of how Musk would feel. I see two children in this regard. I have no opinion one way or the other about who or what justifies what. Two children, no other opinion about that. No judgment about who is the bigger child, etc. I see what I see in them because I know what stupid self pity looks like having personally experienced plenty of it.

 

[akugami]

No, I think it implies that examining the facts to see if one side is just flat out lying or not should probably come before declaring the positions equivalent if opposing.

What if you get your "facts" from Fox?

 

[akugami]

Reagan was right about tearing down the wall.

Bush 1 was right about raising taxes, freeing Kuwait and stopping.

Bush 2 was right about Medicare part D, except for not funding it or showing negotiation. IIRC his immigration policy ideas would be considered pretty liberal today.

Trump is a fucking moron, but I do think him pushing for more trade protection against China has been a net good. Also Operation warp speed.

Trump probably had less to do with Operation Warp Speed and probably just agreed to it because his cabinet pressed for it.

As for trade protection. I think that can be good, but it has to be done in an intelligent fashion. Trump is an utter fucking moron, and doesn't know what the hell he's doing. These tariffs and trade embargos which Trump started, which are exacerbated by Biden, has gotten to the point it is pissing off our allies.

For example, while I have no issue with the 25% tariffs on Chines made automobiles, a 100% tariff is just protectionism for our domestic automobile manufacturers. The 25% tariff blunts any government subsidies that the Chinese government gives to the Chinese automobile manufacturers. And make no mistake, the Chinese politburo is pushing for more EV's, both as a new industry to try to dominate and to counter environmental issues with ICE vehicles. These tariffs brings up the cost enough to level the playing field for domestic companies, though it also helps foreign manufacturers such as Toyota, Honda, Kia, etc, that are exempt from these tariffs. However, a 100% tariff is merely protectionism. And quite frankly, it's at the point where it hurts American consumers. Look at how insane new car costs are today. Current automobile manufacturers have almost no incentive to make a sub $25k car nowadays. Everything starts at $35k and up, and those are just one step up from the basic beaters. Every car with desirable features seem to be $40k and up.

Another example is computer chip embargos. The US has been keeping the latest manufacturing processes out of China's hands for decades. We keep them about two to three generations back. Enough that we have the latest advancements, but not so far back that China feels the urgent need to invest in its own domestic chip manufacturers, of which there were a few. These domestic Chinese manufacturers were able to produce machines that can produce chips, but at much less advanced nodes. Before the latest chip embargos, China was about 2 generations behind the US. These embaros would push China behind the US by about 4 generations. Trump, and especially Biden, has tightened the noose so much that the Chinese politburo has heavily pushed for increasing domestic chip manufacturing capabilities. Will it happen overnight? Of course not. But it is happening. I actually think that it is possible China may be back to being about two generations behind the US again in as little as about 15-20 years. But this time, without the need to purchase lithography machinery from companies like ASML. And that's an overall negative for us. We would lose most of the control over China on that front, and it's one less tool we have to combat China.