Elon Musk now owns 9.2% of twitter...update.. will soon be the sole owner as Board of Directors accepts his purchase offer

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Greenman

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A trans person has about a 1 in 2 chance of being assaulted in the bathroom, a 1 in 5 chance of being assaulted by a police officer, and a 1 in 3 chance of attempting suicide before the age of 30. The death in custody rate for transgendered people is very high, but it is very difficult to get numbers out of "law" enforcement. "Law" enforcement is so hostile that many trans people consider the police to just be another criminal gang looking to shake them down.
Could you link to the above information please.
 

Leeea

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Could you link to the above information please.

The numbers I quoted were from about 7 years ago, they update their survey every year.


Looks like they have changed a bit, chance of assault from police officer has dropped to 6%, and harassment from police dropped to 29%.

Not finding a number for assault rates in bathrooms, perhaps they stopped tracking that. They did have a chart on page 5 that includes chance of being assaulted by type of location.



But assault rates in prison are now tracked, and seem to be 16% physical and 15% sexual, for 31% chance of being assaulted in prison. Trans people end up in prison frequently, homelessness is effectively illegal.

The good news is homelessness has dropped down to 19%, a massive improvement. Homeless shelter rejection has dropped to 29%, but sexual assault in homeless facilities is now being tracked at 22%.

Looks like 57% have been forced out of their family / homes, most likely accounting for the high rates of homelessness.

Schools are rather vicious places:
harassment (78%),
physical assault (35%)
sexual violence (12%);
harassment was so severe that it led almost one-sixth (15%) to leave

26% are being denied access to a bathroom (happens a lot at work), with 21% being forced out of employment from this issue.


Looks like they are tracking the rate of attempted suicide at 41%
18-24 - 45% attempted suicide
25-44 - 45% attempted suicide
Unemployed attempted suicide rate is 51%
Of the 78% harassed as school, 51% also attempted suicide
if harassment is from a teacher, 59% attempted suicide
if physically assaulted by a teacher, 76% attempted suicide
sexually assaulted by teacher, 69% attempted suicide


What that report does not contain is the number that succeed at suicide. However, for the general population that is about 2%ish from what I can tell.


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Winding back to my original point, being trans is hell on earth. No one chooses that. Ever.
 
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Leeea

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Greenman,

I found the following:

Source for Leeea's facts

Not sure what you linked to?

The 1 in 12 murder number is bullshit.

No accurate data is available on the number of transgender people murdered, simply because police departments do not report gender orientation in murder or death statistics.


The vast majority of early deaths for trans people is simply just exposure. Homeless, sick, left to die in the alley. Yes, many are murdered, but most just die in the cold.

Remember, 48% of transgender people are unable to get timely medical care in the US.
and 23% are just flat out denied care. ( this is legal in many US states )
Republicans just hate trans people, and depriving them of medical care is consistently one of their policy goals both on the federal and state level.


Ask yourself, how long would you survive if you were sick, denied healthcare (23%), and denied shelter (29%)?
 
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Lezunto

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Leeea,

I was not criticizing you. I was just trying to find a source for the first line you posted.

I was trying to help Greenman, not start a war.

Sorry.
 
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Amused

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Musk, as I predicted, appears to be backing out of the deal.



Elon Musk’s deal to buy Twitter is in peril
Talks with investors have cooled in recent weeks and Musk’s camp believes it can’t confirm Twitter’s claims about spam accounts

Elon Musk’s deal to buy Twitter is in serious jeopardy, three people familiar with the matter say, as Musk’s camp concluded that Twitter’s figures on spam accounts are not verifiable.

Musk’s team has stopped engaging in certain discussions around funding for the $44 billion deal, including with a party named as a likely backer, one of the people said. The people spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the ongoing discussions.

Talks with investors have cooled in recent weeks as Musk’s camp has raised doubts about the recent data “fire hose” — a trove of data sold to corporate customers — they received from Twitter. Musk’s team’s doubts about the spam figures signal they believe they do not have enough information to evaluate Twitter’s prospects as a business, the people said.

Now that Musk’s team has concluded Twitter’s figures on spam accounts are not verifiable, one of the people said, it is expected to take potentially drastic action.

The person said it was likely a change in direction from Musk’s team would come soon, though they did not say exactly what they thought that change would be.
If Musk pulls out of the deal, it will potentially trigger a massive legal battle.

The terms of the deal say Musk must pay $1 billion to break up the deal, but legal experts have said that Twitter could try to force Musk to go through with the purchase if his reason for scuttling it is not based on the company’s fundamental business. When he made his offer in April, Musk waived his right to take a deeper look at Twitter’s finances. Twitter spokesperson Trenton Kennedy declined to comment. Musk did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Musk shook up the social media world earlier this year with his unprecedented offer to take the company private, arguing he would be able to grow Twitter and make it more open and, in his mind, politically neutral. He said he would let former president Donald Trump back on the service and argued its content moderation practices infringed on free speech.

But soon after, questions arose about whether he would actually follow through. A global sell-off in tech stocks deeply cut into his personal net worth, which he had leveraged to get commitments for the debt he needed to buy Twitter.

Musk’s enthusiasm for following through with the deal has been under question since at least May, when he said the deal was “on hold” until he could ascertain whether Twitter’s claim that fewer than 5 percent of accounts are bots or spam was accurate. He accused Twitter of withholding information, while the company said it was acting in good faith and providing everything the deal’s terms required it to.

“Twitter has not been cooperative,” said a person familiar with the discussions, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the talks.

The debate over bots on Twitter isn’t new. The company has long said around 5 percent of its accounts are bots or spam, while outside researchers have sometimes said the number could be much higher. Because of how quickly the tactics for creating and concealing the nature of fake accounts change, it is difficult for even experts to make strong pronouncements on who is right.
 
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Musk was never going to buy Twitter. He just wanted to trash it. He momentarily believed he could trash it enough to ruin its value so he could then buy it cheap and turn it into an advertising platform and personal PR system, but then I think he realized even as rich as he is, he still has limitations on being able to do whatever he wants.
 
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fskimospy

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He should still be beholden by the contract AFAIK. Them thinking it's not accurate can't get him out of it.
Yes, if Twitter wants to they have a pretty decent shot at forcing him to complete the sale. I imagine the end result would be some negotiated settlement but they really might be able to sock him for more than the $1 billion breakup fee.
 

Brovane

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Yes, if Twitter wants to they have a pretty decent shot at forcing him to complete the sale. I imagine the end result would be some negotiated settlement but they really might be able to sock him for more than the $1 billion breakup fee.

Haven't read the contract but I wonder if the liability also extends to the "others" that backed the deal? It wasn't just Musk's money being put at risk.
 

kt

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Yes, if Twitter wants to they have a pretty decent shot at forcing him to complete the sale. I imagine the end result would be some negotiated settlement but they really might be able to sock him for more than the $1 billion breakup fee.
I hope Twitter will force him to complete the sale. Poor Musk, no one will shed a tear except for maybe a few fanboys.
 

fskimospy

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Haven't read the contract but I wonder if the liability also extends to the "others" that backed the deal? It wasn't just Musk's money being put at risk.
I haven't read the contract either and am not a lawyer but I thought he just had basically handshake funding commitments from the other people and they hadn't signed on to the deal or whatever.

Clearly buying Twitter as the agreed upon value is a terrible deal now. I guess the question is if he's trying to escape the deal entirely now (that's what I think) or if he's trying to get Twitter to drastically lower the price they will accept. From what I've read Twitter seems to have the upper hand here so if he is trying to escape it might cost him more than $1 billion.
 
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Amused

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Well, he filed to pull out.

Elon Musk files to pull out of Twitter deal
It’s unclear what happens next, but Twitter could go to court to force him to finish the deal.

Elon Musk is terminating his $44 billion deal to buy Twitter, according to a filing the billionaire made with the Securities and Exchange Commission Friday.
Musk’s lawyers sent a letter to Twitter saying he is “terminating their merger agreement,” according to the filing.

Musk argues he has a right to drop out of the deal because Twitter hasn’t given him enough information about the company’s business.

But legal experts say Musk can’t just walk away from the deal. His April agreement to buy the company included a commitment to go through with the acquisition unless there’s a major change to the business, and legal experts say nothing has happened to meet that threshold. Musk has previously threatened to scuttle the deal if Twitter doesn’t give him more data to run his own analysis on how many spam bots it has, while Twitter has said it can’t give up personal info on its users like their names, emails and IP addresses, which it uses to come up with its own bot numbers.

Musk and Twitter did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

It’s unclear what will happen next, though experts have said a big legal battle would be likely if Musk tried to walk away. In a June statement, the company said: “We intend to close the transaction and enforce the merger agreement at the agreed price and terms.” Even if Twitter accepts his argument, Musk will likely have to pay a $1 billion breakup fee.

In the letter to Twitter, Musk’s lawyers accused Twitter of having “failed or refused to” hand over information that would help Musk and his team ascertain the true number of bots or spam accounts on the website.

“Sometimes Twitter has ignored Mr. Musk’s requests, sometimes it has rejected them for reasons that appear to be unjustified, and sometimes it has claimed to comply while giving Mr. Musk incomplete or unusable information,” the letter continues.

Musk shook up the social media world in April by agreeing to buy Twitter for $44 billion. He’s assembled a large group of co-investors, and leveraged his personal wealth to get the debt needed to finish the deal. But soon after his takeover announcement, a global sell-off in tech stocks eroded Musk’s own net worth, while making his $54 a share purchase price look like a serious overvaluation of Twitter.

Musk skeptics have said he made up the argument about bots simply to find a reason to get out of what he now saw as a bad deal. Musk himself knew about Twitter’s spam problem, and mentioned it as one of the reasons he wanted to buy the company in the first place.

Wall Street has been skeptical Musk will complete the deal for months. Twitter’s stock price is around $37 today, down nearly 30 percent from the $52 it traded at the day he made his acquisition announcement.

The filing came after The Washington Post reported Thursday that the deal was in serious jeopardy, with one of the co-investors not hearing from Musk’s team for weeks, according to people familiar with the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters.
 

fskimospy

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Well, he filed to pull out.

Elon Musk files to pull out of Twitter deal
It’s unclear what happens next, but Twitter could go to court to force him to finish the deal.

Elon Musk is terminating his $44 billion deal to buy Twitter, according to a filing the billionaire made with the Securities and Exchange Commission Friday.
Musk’s lawyers sent a letter to Twitter saying he is “terminating their merger agreement,” according to the filing.

Musk argues he has a right to drop out of the deal because Twitter hasn’t given him enough information about the company’s business.

But legal experts say Musk can’t just walk away from the deal. His April agreement to buy the company included a commitment to go through with the acquisition unless there’s a major change to the business, and legal experts say nothing has happened to meet that threshold. Musk has previously threatened to scuttle the deal if Twitter doesn’t give him more data to run his own analysis on how many spam bots it has, while Twitter has said it can’t give up personal info on its users like their names, emails and IP addresses, which it uses to come up with its own bot numbers.

Musk and Twitter did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

It’s unclear what will happen next, though experts have said a big legal battle would be likely if Musk tried to walk away. In a June statement, the company said: “We intend to close the transaction and enforce the merger agreement at the agreed price and terms.” Even if Twitter accepts his argument, Musk will likely have to pay a $1 billion breakup fee.

In the letter to Twitter, Musk’s lawyers accused Twitter of having “failed or refused to” hand over information that would help Musk and his team ascertain the true number of bots or spam accounts on the website.

“Sometimes Twitter has ignored Mr. Musk’s requests, sometimes it has rejected them for reasons that appear to be unjustified, and sometimes it has claimed to comply while giving Mr. Musk incomplete or unusable information,” the letter continues.

Musk shook up the social media world in April by agreeing to buy Twitter for $44 billion. He’s assembled a large group of co-investors, and leveraged his personal wealth to get the debt needed to finish the deal. But soon after his takeover announcement, a global sell-off in tech stocks eroded Musk’s own net worth, while making his $54 a share purchase price look like a serious overvaluation of Twitter.

Musk skeptics have said he made up the argument about bots simply to find a reason to get out of what he now saw as a bad deal. Musk himself knew about Twitter’s spam problem, and mentioned it as one of the reasons he wanted to buy the company in the first place.

Wall Street has been skeptical Musk will complete the deal for months. Twitter’s stock price is around $37 today, down nearly 30 percent from the $52 it traded at the day he made his acquisition announcement.

The filing came after The Washington Post reported Thursday that the deal was in serious jeopardy, with one of the co-investors not hearing from Musk’s team for weeks, according to people familiar with the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters.
LOL
 

Zorba

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Well, he filed to pull out.

Elon Musk files to pull out of Twitter deal
It’s unclear what happens next, but Twitter could go to court to force him to finish the deal.

Elon Musk is terminating his $44 billion deal to buy Twitter, according to a filing the billionaire made with the Securities and Exchange Commission Friday.
Musk’s lawyers sent a letter to Twitter saying he is “terminating their merger agreement,” according to the filing.

Musk argues he has a right to drop out of the deal because Twitter hasn’t given him enough information about the company’s business.

But legal experts say Musk can’t just walk away from the deal. His April agreement to buy the company included a commitment to go through with the acquisition unless there’s a major change to the business, and legal experts say nothing has happened to meet that threshold. Musk has previously threatened to scuttle the deal if Twitter doesn’t give him more data to run his own analysis on how many spam bots it has, while Twitter has said it can’t give up personal info on its users like their names, emails and IP addresses, which it uses to come up with its own bot numbers.

Musk and Twitter did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

It’s unclear what will happen next, though experts have said a big legal battle would be likely if Musk tried to walk away. In a June statement, the company said: “We intend to close the transaction and enforce the merger agreement at the agreed price and terms.” Even if Twitter accepts his argument, Musk will likely have to pay a $1 billion breakup fee.

In the letter to Twitter, Musk’s lawyers accused Twitter of having “failed or refused to” hand over information that would help Musk and his team ascertain the true number of bots or spam accounts on the website.

“Sometimes Twitter has ignored Mr. Musk’s requests, sometimes it has rejected them for reasons that appear to be unjustified, and sometimes it has claimed to comply while giving Mr. Musk incomplete or unusable information,” the letter continues.

Musk shook up the social media world in April by agreeing to buy Twitter for $44 billion. He’s assembled a large group of co-investors, and leveraged his personal wealth to get the debt needed to finish the deal. But soon after his takeover announcement, a global sell-off in tech stocks eroded Musk’s own net worth, while making his $54 a share purchase price look like a serious overvaluation of Twitter.

Musk skeptics have said he made up the argument about bots simply to find a reason to get out of what he now saw as a bad deal. Musk himself knew about Twitter’s spam problem, and mentioned it as one of the reasons he wanted to buy the company in the first place.

Wall Street has been skeptical Musk will complete the deal for months. Twitter’s stock price is around $37 today, down nearly 30 percent from the $52 it traded at the day he made his acquisition announcement.

The filing came after The Washington Post reported Thursday that the deal was in serious jeopardy, with one of the co-investors not hearing from Musk’s team for weeks, according to people familiar with the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters.
Also apparently the only thing he know how to pull out of.
 
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