Elon Musk now owns 9.2% of twitter...update.. will soon be the sole owner as Board of Directors accepts his purchase offer

[Heartbreaker]

Musk didn't do that...let's be clear: He bought into the board of a car company that was already built by real engineers (e.g: now Lucid Motors, founded by the engineers and people that actually built Tesla, and left Tesla because of Musk's late appearance to the company, seem to have already built better actual cars than Tesla) ...

Again. Musk being an asshat isn't reason to post misleading information.

Tesla was not "already built" when Musk came on board.

Tesla was 3 people (Eberhard, Tarpenning, Wright) with an idea when Musk joined. 3 people and an idea, is not an already built car company. Ideas are easy, execution is everything. They weren't executing anything before Musk.

Wright left not long after in 2004, because he didn't really believe that EVs were the future, and started his own company to focus on PHEVs.

Eberhard was clearly forced out against his will in 2008 and Tarpenning left with him.

These were the only 3 who were at Tesla before Musk and none had anything to do with Lucid.

 

[brycejones]

Eberhard sued and settled. If Eberhard sued and settled, Not sure why this still has to be a issue for some people.

Sued and settled is more accurate than lost in court.

 

[Brovane]

Sued and settled is more accurate than lost in court.

Ok - Eberhard sued and settled.

 

[Aikouka]

That makes a good case for buying another EV... you shouldn't have to reboot your car every few days like it's an old Symbian phone!

Honestly, if I wanted another Tesla, it would be an older Model S with physical controls and an actual dash, but it would have to be slightly newer so it's one of the ones with a 400-mile+ range.

Microsoft Windows ME for cars? Better reboot it once in a while, or it will crash and burn.

Hah... I can say that I haven't had many issues in regard to the driving functionality. The most annoying thing is that it sometimes won't pick up the phone key. From what I understand, the issue is that the Tesla app needs to be properly loaded on the phone. So, if iOS has unloaded the app due to memory issues, you won't be able to open the car or drive until you open the app again. For example, earlier this week, I turned off my phone in the morning, and after turning it back on later, I went out to the car, but it wouldn't react to me at all. I opened the Tesla app, gave it a second to get everything in line, and it worked fine. One person that I know has constant problems with the car not recognizing the phone key, but they also use their phone far more than I do. If you use memory-intensive apps (e.g. games), you're likely to get the app dropped from memory.

 

[thilanliyan]

Honestly, if I wanted another Tesla, it would be an older Model S with physical controls and an actual dash, but it would have to be slightly newer so it's one of the ones with a 400-mile+ range.

I really wish they had more physical controls...until cars are fully self-driving I'd rather not have to look at the screen to set climate control or change the radio.

I think the traditional car makers give a decent mix of physical and touch (screen) controls, but they still need to catch up on batter tech and charging infrastructure.

 

[Aikouka]

I really wish they had more physical controls...until cars are fully self-driving I'd rather not have to look at the screen to set climate control or change the radio.

I think the traditional car makers give a decent mix of physical and touch (screen) controls, but they still need to catch up on batter tech and charging infrastructure.

I agree. I like to attribute Musk's bullish attitude to be the thing that helps push Tesla and SpaceX along, but it's also (what I think to be) the source of making brash decisions like "Users don't need physical controls; the car will drive for them!" Of course, the biggest problem is that while Tesla is testing its more advanced self-driving functionality, it still has caveats that can't be ignored. For example, the cameras are often occluded by inclement weather, or the car may not understand the intricacies of changes due to construction.

The biggest problem that I run into with most EVs is that the range is too low. For around-the-town driving, 200-300 is fine in most situations, but once you start adding distance in there, I don't think people realize how much range can be affected by factors such as speed. Simply driving at 70 MPH on the interstate can be a hefty hit to the efficiency on my Model 3, and that doesn't include going +5 or +10, which isn't too crazy on the interstate. My car's range is based on a usage rate of ~230Wh/mi, but I often see well above 300Wh/mi in normal usage. The service center is 90 miles away for me, and it's literally not possible to drive there and back on a 95% charge without charging somewhere in between. Last time I went up there (a month or so ago), I actually drove a bit slower on the way back after charging there to 80%, and I ended up stopping at our local Supercharger at about 35% to bring me back up to around 80%. If I would've kept going, I would've likely arrived home with ~28% charge.

To be fair, it probably doesn't help that I refuse to use the OEM tires. They're low-resistance tires, and they wear out super fast. I use Michelin CrossClimate 2 right now, and they are great in inclement weather, but probably not as good on range.

 

[IronWing]

Musk is now encouraging others to refine the lithium Tesla needs. I suspect Musk knows that the refining process is inherently dirty and doesn't want Tesla to be associated with the process, just the fruits.

Lithium refining is a ‘license to print money,’ Musk says

Tesla's CEO said there are software-like margins to be made in lithium processing —

www.mining.com

 

[Brovane]

Musk is now encouraging others to refine the lithium Tesla needs. I suspect Musk knows that the refining process is inherently dirty and doesn't want Tesla to be associated with the process, just the fruits.

Lithium refining is a ‘license to print money,’ Musk says

Tesla's CEO said there are software-like margins to be made in lithium processing —

www.mining.com

Are you aware of the life cycle analysis that Tesla is doing for it's supply chain?

Tesla 2021 Impact Report.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Are you aware of the life cycle analysis that Tesla is doing for it's supply chain?

Tesla 2021 Impact Report.

As a shareholder, I voted for it to be even stricter, for whatever that's worth.

 

[Eos]

Are you aware of the life cycle analysis that Tesla is doing for it's supply chain?

Tesla 2021 Impact Report.

I am wildly ignorant here:

Is this kind of report normal for large businesses? Who writes these?

 

[Vic]

Musk read sci fi.

and so did a bunch of fucking nerds over all the years

Musk learned how to steal money from nerds that never actually learned shit about anything and honestly, probably think that if humans get sent to Mars, suddenly Jedis will exist. So. illiterate nerds give Musk all of their money.

end of story.

I'm not going to be quite as hyperbolic as you were here, but at the same time have you seen his promises for Neuralink? He's freakin claiming it'll be The Matrix and Johnny Mnemonic combined, for a product that's actually intended to help parapalegics and people with ALS restore motor function. F'ing ridiculous. And make no mistake, a deliberate con.

 

[Vic]

Honestly, if I wanted another Tesla, it would be an older Model S with physical controls and an actual dash, but it would have to be slightly newer so it's one of the ones with a 400-mile+ range.



Hah... I can say that I haven't had many issues in regard to the driving functionality. The most annoying thing is that it sometimes won't pick up the phone key. From what I understand, the issue is that the Tesla app needs to be properly loaded on the phone. So, if iOS has unloaded the app due to memory issues, you won't be able to open the car or drive until you open the app again. For example, earlier this week, I turned off my phone in the morning, and after turning it back on later, I went out to the car, but it wouldn't react to me at all. I opened the Tesla app, gave it a second to get everything in line, and it worked fine. One person that I know has constant problems with the car not recognizing the phone key, but they also use their phone far more than I do. If you use memory-intensive apps (e.g. games), you're likely to get the app dropped from memory.

Except for my truck with BFG AT T/A's, all of my cars ride on Michelin Pilot Sports. I'm not a fanboi about anything else, but I am about that. F the mileage, the grip is worth it.
Sorry about your Tesla issues. I seriously wanted to get a Model 3 performance a couple years ago, but my wife put her foot down and made me get her an Audi S4. City mileage sucks (especially with the mods I put on it), but it is a highway cruiser like no other.

 

[MrSquished]

I'm not going to be quite as hyperbolic as you were here, but at the same time have you seen his promises for Neuralink? He's freakin claiming it'll be The Matrix and Johnny Mnemonic combined, for a product that's actually intended to help parapalegics and people with ALS restore motor function. F'ing ridiculous. And make no mistake, a deliberate con.

A competitor of his also for implantables, has just gotten FDA approval for trials, a small trial but legit. Musk is now 2 years late from when he said they'd have FDA approval for Neuralink.

Also said they likely have one of their Android like robots to show off this September, a prototype. That's not gonna happen either.

Self driving now 7 years waiting. He is a huckster.

 

[Brovane]

I am wildly ignorant here:

Is this kind of report normal for large businesses? Who writes these?

If you have a business like Tesla and people like to spread FUD about EV's and the environmental damage from them isn't it a good thing to have a lifecycle analysis done?

 

[Brovane]

A competitor of his also for implantables, has just gotten FDA approval for trials, a small trial but legit. Musk is now 2 years late from when he said they'd have FDA approval for Neuralink.

Also said they likely have one of their Android like robots to show off this September, a prototype. That's not gonna happen either.

Self driving now 7 years waiting. He is a huckster.

What Musk said is that they might be able start human trials in 2020 pending FDA approval. He never said they would have FDA approval in 2020.
When Musk sets a date for a goal, that is a NET date.

“At Space X we specialize in converting things from impossible to late” - Elon Musk

 

[MrSquished]

What Musk said is that they might be able start human trials in 2020 pending FDA approval. He never said they would have FDA approval in 2020.
When Musk sets a date for a goal, that is a NET date.

“At Space X we specialize in converting things from impossible to late” - Elon Musk

Right. Trials, 2 years ago, which his competitor has done before him, as I stated. Perhaps it was written poorly but that's what I meant.

Just more bullshit from musk, like self driving cars and what will be his Android robot claims. And his Mars claims.

Dbag

 

[Brovane]

Right. Trials, 2 years ago, which his competitor has done before him, as I stated. Perhaps it was written poorly but that's what I meant.

Just more bullshit from musk, like self driving cars and what will be his Android robot claims. And his Mars claims.

Dbag

You deliberately misrepresent what Musk has said and then turn around and claim it is bullshit.

 

[MrSquished]

You deliberately misrepresent what Musk has said and then turn around and claim it is bullshit.

I did not. I literally read the article about his claim about trials with the FDA for 2 years ago. I thought it was put enough
Into context with the other company's achievement that it was easy to understand.

Anyways I clarified it, and you are such an Elon blowhard you can't admit it's hey another piece of bs salesmanship from the guy who loves to boast about vaporware, as I have examples of.

Do you have a flashlight? I head Elon's asshole is dark

 

[Brovane]

I did not. I literally read the article about his claim about trials with the FDA for 2 years ago. I thought it was put enough
Into context with the other company's achievement that it was easy to understand.
Musk is now 2 years late from when he said they'd have FDA approval for Neuralink.

That is a deliberate mischaracterization of what Musk said, context has nothing to do with it. What Musk said is that they might be able start human trials in 2020 pending FDA approval. He never said they would have FDA approval in 2020. Like I said earlier, when Musk sets a goal date it is a NET date. Have you ever set a goal personally and then later had to re-evaluate that goal? Or had circumstances change outside of your control that forced you to adjust that goal?

What Musk said is that they might be able start human trials in 2020 pending FDA approval. He never said they would have FDA approval in 2020.

Anyways I clarified it, and you are such an Elon blowhard you can't admit it's hey another piece of bs salesmanship from the guy who loves to boast about vaporware, as I have examples of.

Are you really that much offended that a US company is successfully building BEV's? Do you think the Falcon-9, Falcon Heavy, Model Y and 3 are vaporware? Musk is in charge of companies that build real physical products that do some amazing things. I have multiple examples of things that Musk's companies build that are not vaporware. Musk also sets some bold goals and sometimes he misses those goals, sometimes he has to reevaluate that goal when circumstances change and sometimes he misses the date for delivery on those goals. Do you know one way to never miss a goal? Never set a goal that is difficult to achieve. I like to see successful US companies that drive innovation. Both Tesla and SpaceX are driving innovation in their respective industries even if Musk is acting like a Ass Clown.

Really great article by Aviation Week on how SpaceX is building Airline-Type Flights for Space launch. This was the type of launch vehicle reusability that NASA tried to achieve with the Shuttle but could never never achieve. This type of innovation is what drives change for the US space industry. FYI - You have to register to read the article but registration is free.

SpaceX Building Airline-Type Flight Ops For Launch

 

[zinfamous]

4 Billion (or was it Trillion? I forget....) new shares up to be released after the next shareholder's meeting.

Gobble em up!

(oh wait, this is about Tesla. Not Twerder, lol)

 

[Brovane]

4 Billion (or was it Trillion? I forget....) new shares up to be released after the next shareholder's meeting.

Gobble em up!

(oh wait, this is about Tesla. Not Twerder, lol)

The new shares are related to Tesla splitting it's stock which is coming up for a shareholder vote.

In other news, Musk continues to get around. That is messed up, having a affair with a friends wife. Even if they are separated, that is still a Asshole move.

Elon Musk’s Friendship With Sergey Brin Ruptured by Alleged Affair

 

[zinfamous]

The new shares are related to Tesla splitting it's stock which is coming up for a shareholder vote.

In other news, Musk continues to get around. That is messed up, having a affair with a friends wife. Even if they are separated, that is still a Asshole move.

Elon Musk’s Friendship With Sergey Brin Ruptured by Alleged Affair

well, he is talentless human garbage, and he's spawned about a dozen bastards around the world that are known to this point, so this isn't surprising.

as for the shares, I recall the split announcement some months ago, forgot about it. My post was in response to some shareholder vote nonsense that Vanguard sent me.

 

[cytg111]

The new shares are related to Tesla splitting it's stock which is coming up for a shareholder vote.

In other news, Musk continues to get around. That is messed up, having a affair with a friends wife. Even if they are separated, that is still a Asshole move.

Elon Musk’s Friendship With Sergey Brin Ruptured by Alleged Affair

I am just going to assume she is pregnant with triplets...

 

[Aikouka]

Except for my truck with BFG AT T/A's, all of my cars ride on Michelin Pilot Sports. I'm not a fanboi about anything else, but I am about that. F the mileage, the grip is worth it.

I'll admit that I do miss the grip a bit as I can certainly feel the difference when there's even a bit of spirit in my cornering. Although, it does feel better in the rain.

Sorry about your Tesla issues. I seriously wanted to get a Model 3 performance a couple years ago, but my wife put her foot down and made me get her an Audi S4. City mileage sucks (especially with the mods I put on it), but it is a highway cruiser like no other.

It's fun to drive, but the hard part for me is that I don't know if I just got a problematic car (it was an end-of-quarter sale) or if these problems aren't uncommon. I mentioned the weirdness in the speakers sometimes messing up for a second, and the suggestion was to "wait for a software update". The problem has actually been around for a while, and it used to be a lot worse as it would last for a few minutes or not go away until rebooted. I think of Tesla as sort of being the Apple of the car world, but the thing is... people like(d) Apple products because they tend to just work. Tesla seems a bit too "seat of their pants" for that to be applicable to them. (I think Apple has gotten bad about this over the past few years too.)

 

[MrSquished]

Ha. Elon gets rejected for nearly 800 million in subsidies for Starlink he applied for in 2020, while he was saying subsidies are bad, after of course taking them for his companies before.

The guy can never stop bullshitting

U.S. rejects broadband subsidies for SpaceX's Starlink, LTD

The U.S. Federal Communications Commission rejected SpaceX's Starlink and LTD Broadband's applications for more than $2 billion in internet service subsidies, the FCC said on Wednesday.

www.reuters.com

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