Elon Musk now owns 9.2% of twitter...update.. will soon be the sole owner as Board of Directors accepts his purchase offer

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gorobei

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musk might have to sell tesla shares to pay for twitter. if he does he will possibly lose controlling interest of tesla. and he will be left with a worthless twitter since it will be privately owned(no way for stock price to rise) and doesnt really have a profit model.
tesla gets to be free of musk, twitter begins its slow decline into bankruptcy, musk gets to use unregulated twitter for more stock manipulation and other crypto hot takes and innuendo. win some, lose some?

it will certainly suck for those who are using twitter to get actual news info out into the public.
 

Heartbreaker

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musk might have to sell tesla shares to pay for twitter. if he does he will possibly lose controlling interest of tesla.

Irrelevant. He doesn't technically have controlling interest now.

But unless he went completely nuts and planned to switch Tesla from electric cars to making hot air balloons, there is ZERO chance of a vote going against him.
 

Greenman

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Elon doing everything he can to demonstrating that the ultra rich need to be taxed. He sure has a lot of time to shit post for someone that supposedly runs 3 major companies.
The ultra rich are taxed on their income and capitol gains. I assume that you want their assets and unrealized gains taxed. I'd be curious to see how that would work.
 

fskimospy

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Now this fucking piece of shit asshole is suggesting trying to give some control of Taiwan and Taipei to China

That worked out really well for Hong Kong.

Funny how one day he’s all about self determination and the next thinks Taiwan’s sovereignty should be ceded to China.

It would seem to me his real position is we should give authoritarian governments whatever they want.
 

manly

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Now this fucking piece of shit asshole is suggesting trying to give some control of Taiwan and Taipei to China

What a maroon. There was a point in time decades ago when re-unification wasn't impossible, or implausible. As time passes, the likelihood pretty much drifts to zero (short of a military invasion). The Taiwanese have zero interest in becoming another Hong Kong (RIP).
 
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gorobei

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Irrelevant. He doesn't technically have controlling interest now.

But unless he went completely nuts and planned to switch Tesla from electric cars to making hot air balloons, there is ZERO chance of a vote going against him.
he still owns the most out of individual investors, that number varies from all the reporting (17-22% from ~25% previously) but that and tesla's company rules on supermajority voting means you need 85% of the shareholders to vote for something in order to make any big changes. so he can block anything he doesnt want from happening.
 
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Heartbreaker

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he still owns the most out of individual investors, that number varies from all the reporting (17-22% from ~25% previously) but that and tesla's company rules on supermajority voting means you need 85% of the shareholders to vote for something in order to make any big changes. so he can block anything he doesnt want from happening.

According to this he only owns about 5%:
 

Zorba

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The ultra rich are taxed on their income and capitol gains. I assume that you want their assets and unrealized gains taxed. I'd be curious to see how that would work.
They aren't taxed enough on income and especially not realized capital gains. But as has been discussed here many times, he lives off his "unrealized" Capital gains by taking loans against them. I believe this should be taxed as a realized gain. As soon as you directly benefit from the gain, it has been realized.

Also inheritance tax and getting rid of the basis step up on capital gains for inheritance, at least over X amount.
 

Zorba

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he still owns the most out of individual investors, that number varies from all the reporting (17-22% from ~25% previously) but that and tesla's company rules on supermajority voting means you need 85% of the shareholders to vote for something in order to make any big changes. so he can block anything he doesnt want from happening.
Rules on corporate governance really need to change.
 

NWRMidnight

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The ultra rich are taxed on their income and capitol gains. I assume that you want their assets and unrealized gains taxed. I'd be curious to see how that would work.
Yep, every fucking penny because they live on those unrealized gains.

Most have a relatively low "income", which which is why most pay less in taxes than their secretaries. The minute they get loans using those "unrealized gains" as collateral, to live on and support their life style, which is what they do, as those unrealized gains are part of the estimated value of that collateral, and as far as I am concerned, they are no longer unrealized gains, they are income. It's a bullshit loop hole that needs to be removed. Besides, Every American in this country who owns a house, pays property taxes that are based on unrealized gains, as we all pay taxes on todays value of such property, even though we haven't sold the property yet.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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The ultra rich are taxed on their income and capitol gains. I assume that you want their assets and unrealized gains taxed. I'd be curious to see how that would work.
Every dime of assets over $1B USD taxed at 100%. Unrealized gains untouched, but again, all realized assets taxed at 100% over $1B USD. No inheriting of unrealized assets. Cash out or return to sender.

That's where I'd start.

EDIT: Also it should be strictly illegal to use unrealized assets as collateral. Fake money is fake money, whether it's unrealized gains, BTC, or beany babies.
 

Red Squirrel

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EDIT: Also it should be strictly illegal to use unrealized assets as collateral. Fake money is fake money, whether it's unrealized gains, BTC, or beany babies.

I had no idea that was even a thing! It definitely should be illegal. I don't agree with taxing unrealized gains as it would hurt the little guy more but there absolutely should be measures that prevent rich people from using it as collateral or other benefit.

Also need to get rid of property tax imo. Municipal funding should come from provincial taxes. We already pay more than enough via income tax, sales tax, gas tax etc. Heck the entire tax system should change, we should only pay 1 flat 10% income tax and that's it and even the rich should have to pay it. Get rid of everything else. But that's another topic.
 

MrSquished

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I had no idea that was even a thing! It definitely should be illegal. I don't agree with taxing unrealized gains as it would hurt the little guy more but there absolutely should be measures that prevent rich people from using it as collateral or other benefit.

Also need to get rid of property tax imo. Municipal funding should come from provincial taxes. We already pay more than enough via income tax, sales tax, gas tax etc. Heck the entire tax system should change, we should only pay 1 flat 10% income tax and that's it and even the rich should have to pay it. Get rid of everything else. But that's another topic.
Well that is exactly how the Uber wealthy live like kings while paying less taxes as a percentage of their income than any regular middle class person.

This is what progressives on the left have been fighting to fix for ages now. But the right calls them socialists and communists and the right wing constituents nod and smile at that propaganda.
 

Greenman

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Every dime of assets over $1B USD taxed at 100%. Unrealized gains untouched, but again, all realized assets taxed at 100% over $1B USD. No inheriting of unrealized assets. Cash out or return to sender.

That's where I'd start.

EDIT: Also it should be strictly illegal to use unrealized assets as collateral. Fake money is fake money, whether it's unrealized gains, BTC, or beany babies.
So taking out a loan using your real property that's appreciated as colleterial would be off the table?
 

fskimospy

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So taking out a loan using your real property that's appreciated as colleterial would be off the table?
I think the standard should be it’s either money you have or it isn’t. If you can use it for loans it is taxable. If you can’t, then not.

I imagine you’re referring to homes here but their appreciation is taxed through periodic reassessments. Of course prop 13 screws with that but that’s another reason it should be repealed.
 
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MrSquished

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I think the standard should be it’s either money you have or it isn’t. If you can use it for loans it is taxable. If you can’t, then not.

I imagine you’re referring to homes here but their appreciation is taxed through periodic reassessments. Of course prop 13 screws with that but that’s another reason it should be repealed.
It should be done progressively so that people of a certain wealth, as in middle class folks, don't pay taxes on home equity loans, but the very wealthy should pay on loans on all unrealized assets because that is how they skate the system.

Greenman will fight any way to reduce the insane advantage the rich have over the rest of us because that is what his party supports
 
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