Elon Musk now owns 9.2% of twitter...update.. will soon be the sole owner as Board of Directors accepts his purchase offer

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K1052

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Ok, I don't disagree with you that he's probably not concerned about having enough money. But he took such a huge public L incinerating tens of billions with a flamethrower on the twitter deal that it was a blow to his self-image, and he's probably trying to find a way to boost it a little.

Hardly a problem when everything is somebody else's fault.
 

fskimospy

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"People love Twitter, so if I buy Twitter, then they'll love me by way of transitive property!

And I would have gotten away with it too, if I wasn't a massive shitlord 😣"
I think he genuinely didn't like a lot of Twitter's content moderation policies and so he wanted to get rid of them.

Of course this is because he's an idiot who doesn't understand how social media works and then quickly found out why those content moderation policies were there to begin with. Naturally, Musk is too big of a narcissist to admit that his foundational idea for how Twitter should function wouldn't work so he resorted to screaming and threatening advertisers.
 
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fskimospy

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Tesla cratered so hard that it is still selling more EV's in the US than the entire rest of the market?
At some point this needs to change.
From my understanding though Tesla's valuation was based in significant part on the idea that their sales would continue to grow rapidly, which at least from that chart is not happening.
 
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Brovane

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From my understanding though Tesla's valuation was based in significant part on the idea that their sales would continue to grow rapidly, which at least from that chart is not happening.

The story keeps changing as to what is a significant part of Tesla' valuation based on elmo's mood. Which really isn't a good way to value a company. That is why Tesla stock is valued a lot more than the company deserves.
 

cytg111

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Its both. Tesla isnt hitting the projected numbers. Stock value is always set correlated according to projected performance. On top od that its geared by goodwill and past performance and this is where Elmo has been hell bent on burning his tony stark brand/image for the last couple of years.
I dont think our boy is done flaming out, actually extrapolating his current trajectory he would be due for an attempt at snuffing out freedom isnt he
 

Brovane

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Its both. Tesla isnt hitting the projected numbers. Stock value is always set correlated according to projected performance. On top od that its geared by goodwill and past performance and this is where Elmo has been hell bent on burning his tony stark brand/image for the last couple of years.
I dont think our boy is done flaming out, actually extrapolating his current trajectory he would be due for an attempt at snuffing out freedom isnt he

The continued sales growth narrative never made much sense to me because Tesla just doesn't have enough diversity in their model line-up to break into the top 5 in global sales. Look at the diversity that BYD has in their line-up and then look at their continued trajectory in sales. In a couple of years I can see them cracking 6M+ in global sales. Tesla is going to struggle to hit 2M+.
 

akugami

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The continued sales growth narrative never made much sense to me because Tesla just doesn't have enough diversity in their model line-up to break into the top 5 in global sales. Look at the diversity that BYD has in their line-up and then look at their continued trajectory in sales. In a couple of years I can see them cracking 6M+ in global sales. Tesla is going to struggle to hit 2M+.

I think that, along with the Cybertruck, analysts were expecting new and different models from Tesla to grow their product line. You know, the one from the now non-existent new product team, that is now not headed by Daniel Ho.
 

Greenman

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From my understanding though Tesla's valuation was based in significant part on the idea that their sales would continue to grow rapidly, which at least from that chart is not happening.
A couple years back when Tesla's value passed Ford I took a look at the numbers of units sold and production capability. At that time Ford produced more vehicles a month than Tesla did in a year, with far fewer quality control issues. It seemed to be that Tesla was grossly overvalued, and I still think that's the case.
That reasoning could also be why I'm not rich.
 

ch33zw1z

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fskimospy

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Maybe short lived if christofacsists have their way.

Guess now they’ll also want to start age verifying if your host mask is from certain states
I thought eliminating the porn bots and such were one of his reasons for buying Twitter?
 

WelshBloke

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I always get the impression that everything Musk does is performative.
Like he's always trying to impress or gain approval from people he considers "the cool kids". His idea of who "the cool kids" are is a bit unfortunate though.
He comes across as really "hollow" in that he seems to tailor his opinions to what he thinks will impress his fan base rather than stuff he actually believes in.
Problem is that as you get older you tend to get stuck in your ways and I fear that what he pretended to be is now what he is. It's like that old adage that your mum used to say "don't pull faces, if the wind changes you'll be stuck like that".
I kinda feel sorry for him sometimes. Hes probably one of the richest people who ever lived but he spends his time trolling people on social media and constantly looking for affirmation from people who, and I'll try to be kind here, are wing nuts and social inadequates.
 
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manly

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Not shocking, AI is the big new shiny toy in tech. Even tho it’s not a mature product, it’s getting rolled out by all the major vendors.
Huh? You skipped the point entirely, not that you don't already know it. Per the CNBC article, Elon is massively conflicted and crazy enough to harm his main* employer in favor of a side business of his. He's also now accused of insider trading, which is potentially serious compared to all of his constant BS:

Business Insider - Tesla investor accuses Elon Musk of insider trading that banked him $7.5 billion

* Main employer in the sense of his net worth and proposed stock grants. Elon's crazy isn't purely performative. He clearly doesn't care about the rule of law.
 

ch33zw1z

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Huh? You skipped the point entirely, not that you don't already know it. Per the CNBC article, Elon is massively conflicted and crazy enough to harm his main* employer in favor of a side business of his. He's also now accused of insider trading, which is potentially serious compared to all of his constant BS:

Business Insider - Tesla investor accuses Elon Musk of insider trading that banked him $7.5 billion

* Main employer in the sense of his net worth and proposed stock grants. Elon's crazy isn't purely performative. He clearly doesn't care about the rule of law.

Yes, my point was that the industry is pushing AI hard, and it's not ready for Prod environments IMO. Social media is a prime market for AI, and those nvidia cards are good at the workload. The nvidia products aren't the only products out there tho.

Don't take my post as some kind of deflection or apologizing / rationalizing of Musk's actions. He's a tool that definitely thinks the rules don't apply to him, just like Trump.

I mean, realistically, what he’s on about is just going where the money is. But I did find this tidbit as stupid as it is funny:

“Musk has pitched Grok, originally named Truth GPT, as a politically incorrect chatbot with “a rebellious streak” and a would-be competitor to OpenAI’s ChatGPT and other generative AI services.”

lol, cmon. While other vendors are concerned about bias and hallucinations, this makes it sounds like “truth GPT” is gonna be all about alt-facts. It’s just as scary as it is funny. Like a mad man at the wheel of his self driving vehicles
 
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cytg111

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I mean, realistically, what he’s on about is just going where the money is. But I did find this tidbit as stupid as it is funny:

“Musk has pitched Grok, originally named Truth GPT, as a politically incorrect chatbot with “a rebellious streak” and a would-be competitor to OpenAI’s ChatGPT and other generative AI services.”

lol, cmon. While other vendors are concerned about bias and hallucinations, this makes it sounds like “truth GPT” is gonna be all about alt-facts. It’s just as scary as it is funny. Like a mad man at the wheel of his self driving vehicles
Yea this is the same dude that lobbied the industry to halt all development until alignment was solved cause otherwise it could be the end of humanity - all while he is creating an alt right nazi bot on the sidelines. He is a little bitch.
 
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hal2kilo

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A couple years back when Tesla's value passed Ford I took a look at the numbers of units sold and production capability. At that time Ford produced more vehicles a month than Tesla did in a year, with far fewer quality control issues. It seemed to be that Tesla was grossly overvalued, and I still think that's the case.
That reasoning could also be why I'm not rich.
Sadly herd mentality wins out many times in the market. You just have to know where the cliff is.
 

Zorba

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Huh? You skipped the point entirely, not that you don't already know it. Per the CNBC article, Elon is massively conflicted and crazy enough to harm his main* employer in favor of a side business of his. He's also now accused of insider trading, which is potentially serious compared to all of his constant BS:

Business Insider - Tesla investor accuses Elon Musk of insider trading that banked him $7.5 billion

* Main employer in the sense of his net worth and proposed stock grants. Elon's crazy isn't purely performative. He clearly doesn't care about the rule of law.
Why would he care? Worst case he'll get the equivalent of a speeding ticket.
 
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Yes, my point was that the industry is pushing AI hard, and it's not ready for Prod environments IMO. Social media is a prime market for AI, and those nvidia cards are good at the workload. The nvidia products aren't the only products out there tho.

Don't take my post as some kind of deflection or apologizing / rationalizing of Musk's actions. He's a tool that definitely thinks the rules don't apply to him, just like Trump.

I mean, realistically, what he’s on about is just going where the money is. But I did find this tidbit as stupid as it is funny:

“Musk has pitched Grok, originally named Truth GPT, as a politically incorrect chatbot with “a rebellious streak” and a would-be competitor to OpenAI’s ChatGPT and other generative AI services.”

lol, cmon. While other vendors are concerned about bias and hallucinations, this makes it sounds like “truth GPT” is gonna be all about alt-facts. It’s just as scary as it is funny. Like a mad man at the wheel of his self driving vehicles

Don't get misled, the others don't give a shit about hallucinations. Google's CEO even said they're a good thing (not even joking he said that). Zuck gives even less of a shit, and most of the others have actively seeded mis/dis information into their models.

The entire industry feels like Musk, they just know enough to not publicly voice such thoughts, but many of them have deliberately sought out questionable input for their models with the intent to skew it.
 
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