Encrypted radar

[John Connor]

A new secure waveform developed by the US Army can change continually, masking its identity to allow military and police officials to become entirely anonymous to radar detectors.
The encrypted system allows radar transmissions to look like noise, making it difficult to intercept and exploit.
Researchers say this design aims to meet the challenges of the evolving battlefield, and is programmable in real-time to optimize performance.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...oise-morphs-continually-remain-anonymous.html




Soon, you won't be able to know if there is a speed trap up ahead. The Feds want to encrypt everything up to and including squawk codes to aircraft. Yet they don't want you to use encryption. You know what I say? Screw you Fed bastards!

 

[Captante]

LIDAR is already mostly undetectable until they nail you plus its cheap so I doubt this will make a huge difference in traffic enforcement.

100% agree about the encryption though.

 

[lxskllr]

LIDAR is already mostly undetectable until they nail you plus its cheap so I doubt this will make a huge difference in traffic enforcement.

100% agree about the encryption though.

LIDAR has to be aimed. It's not as conducive to sitting on your ass and collecting a paycheck

 

[Gunbuster]

Just wait for all the cars with that mandated rear end collision mitigation and more. We are going to have cars pumping out so much radar, lidar, laser, ultrasonic, Wifi, cellular, and satellite it's going to be like 1000 fighter jets over contested airspace.

 

[tynopik]

sounds like LPI radar

 

[MongGrel]

If you do not drive like a complete dipstick, not much to worry about most of the time.

I personally don't know anyone who uses a radar detector since the 80's.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Cops here barely even enforce speed limits anyway, if you get an actual speeding ticket, you were probably doing like 100+.

I still try to stick near the speed limit though, but it amazes me just how fast some people go, like the other day I saw someone who must have been doing at least 80 in a school zone. That's 40 over the limit, and counts as street racing. I don't get why people even take those kind of chances.


On subject of encryption I think in the future the way it will work is only government will be allowed to use encryption, and corporations will be allowed, but only for specific things, like their own internal communications, intellectual property etc but not customer data. Because of how draconian the laws are when it comes to technology, if you are caught using encryption it will be a huge deal. Probably have some fancy statement for it like "impeding homeland security operations by obfuscation of data" and it will be a terrorism charge.

 

[Crusty]

I for one can't wait for the roads to be for automated cars only. Free up the police to go after real criminals.

 

[bruceb]

Around here most local roads are 45MPH, some are 35MPH, one town has a 25MPH zone. Schools zones are 30MPH and well marked. Main highways are mostly 65MPH with some areas at 60MPH or 55MPH .. generally you won't be bothered at 5 to 9 over the limit. And that is plenty fast on these roads (local or highway) .. I have seen police here use all types of vehicles, including SUV, regular patrol cars, unmarked cars of various kinds and motorcycle police. We have Sheriff, local town police, State Police to contend with. Most of them seem to have KA Band Radar, some on all the time, others in Instant On Mode. No laser yet that I have seen.

 

[olds]

If you do not drive like a complete dipstick, not much to worry about most of the time.

I personally don't know anyone who uses a radar detector since the 80's.

Why would you single out only users that have been using them since the 80s?

 

[Rubycon]

With technology of today things like speed traps, chases, even toll collectors should not even exist.

Data acquisition from an expansive array of sensors could easily determine and assess driver skill, rank, etc. This is much more than simple GPS speed checking...

And like the USA government likes to do, pass the costs of the risks taken by those that abuse it in a form of a tax. Sharing the information to insurance brokers could eliminate the point system. Want to be a motorhead hot rod jock? It's gonna cost ya! Don't pay, you walk.

If a vehicle is stolen, driver held hostage, etc. Shut it down, don't chase for the sake of safety.

Toll collection could be in the form of RFID in license plates. Drive on a turnpike, bridge, tunnel, etc. your information is collected and added to your annual registration stamp, deducted electronically every month or so from a bank account. Fixes the issue with parking meters too. Violators (as above) have their vehicles electronically disabled, they can walk or take a bus.

 

[DrPizza]

With technology of today things like speed traps, chases, even toll collectors should not even exist.

Data acquisition from an expansive array of sensors could easily determine and assess driver skill, rank, etc. This is much more than simple GPS speed checking...

And like the USA government likes to do, pass the costs of the risks taken by those that abuse it in a form of a tax. Sharing the information to insurance brokers could eliminate the point system. Want to be a motorhead hot rod jock? It's gonna cost ya! Don't pay, you walk.

If a vehicle is stolen, driver held hostage, etc. Shut it down, don't chase for the sake of safety.

Toll collection could be in the form of RFID in license plates. Drive on a turnpike, bridge, tunnel, etc. your information is collected and added to your annual registration stamp, deducted electronically every month or so from a bank account. Fixes the issue with parking meters too. Violators (as above) have their vehicles electronically disabled, they can walk or take a bus.

I'm not so sure that's a good idea. There would be nothing stopping people from locking down the vehicles of others for not so nice of purposes. Already, such hacking has been demonstrated; we need less of this, not more.

 

[Ruptga]

I for one can't wait for the roads to be for automated cars only.

Yep, it's going to be great.

Free up the police to go after real criminals.

Lol, no. I don't know what they'll do exactly, maybe put even more manpower on the war on drugs, but it won't be that.

 

[MongGrel]

Why would you single out only users that have been using them since the 80s?

I wasn't singling out anyone, just do not know anyone that even uses them period to be honest.

I was going to say 70's at first

 

[ImpulsE69]

Sorry government, but WE THE PEOPLE are going to need those encryption keys. We wouldn't want the terrorists to be the only ones to have it since you pretty much just sell everything to anyone who will buy it. Oh, that's not possible? You don't sayyy....

 

[bruceb]

GM cars that are On Star equipped can be shut down from the On Star center upon a proper request by the police. It has been done before. Not sure if that can be done on Ford or Chrysler or any of the imports. But I know for sure it can be done on GM cars with On Star

 

[DrPizza]

Another thought - we've finally come up with an encryption technique such that someone else wouldn't even recognize that there's a signal there. Wouldn't it make sense that if there are alien civilizations, that eventually, they adopted such a means of communication - not just for things that need to be encrypted? That may be a part of the natural progression. Hence, there may only be a short window of time when a civilization is communicating in a manner such that we can detect with our current technology.

 

[CZroe]

Isn't jamming still possible?

 

[JasonCoder]

I for one can't wait for the roads to be for automated cars only. Free up the police to go after real criminals.

This.

I feel like the dynamic of police forces will change substantially once this hits.

 

[lxskllr]

Isn't jamming still possible?

Probably, with some clever hacking, but illegal. Interfering with radio transmissions is a big no no.

 

[CZroe]

Probably, with some clever hacking, but illegal. Interfering with radio transmissions is a big no no.

What? I can't encrypt MY radar use and make it appear to be static but THEY can? :sneaky:

 

[Linux23]

What the deuce?

 

[Captante]

I wasn't singling out anyone, just do not know anyone that even uses them period to be honest.

I was going to say 70's at first

I have one and use it daily. (Escort 9500ix)

It still picks off the vast majority of police radar and over the time I've owned it has paid for itself 20x over at least. (speeding fines are high in CT)

Note however that much like a seat-belt only assists in preventing injury, it only assists in avoiding tickets. Most important things are to stay within a quick brake-check of being legal & watching your 6 o'clock. In other words you need to be paying attention at all times with or without one which seems to be more then most drivers can handle.

 

[freeskier93]

With technology of today things like speed traps, chases, even toll collectors should not even exist.

Data acquisition from an expansive array of sensors could easily determine and assess driver skill, rank, etc. This is much more than simple GPS speed checking...

And like the USA government likes to do, pass the costs of the risks taken by those that abuse it in a form of a tax. Sharing the information to insurance brokers could eliminate the point system. Want to be a motorhead hot rod jock? It's gonna cost ya! Don't pay, you walk.

If a vehicle is stolen, driver held hostage, etc. Shut it down, don't chase for the sake of safety.

Toll collection could be in the form of RFID in license plates. Drive on a turnpike, bridge, tunnel, etc. your information is collected and added to your annual registration stamp, deducted electronically every month or so from a bank account. Fixes the issue with parking meters too. Violators (as above) have their vehicles electronically disabled, they can walk or take a bus.

RFID in the license plate adds unnecessary cost. They can effectively do the same thing with cameras to capture the license plate and bill it to whoever is on the registration. That's how it works here in Colorado, or you can get an RFID sticker to put on the windshield. The sticker gives you a lower rate but you have to bring $20 upfront to pre load the account and keep it loaded.

 

[MongGrel]

Isn't jamming still possible?

It probably would be fun to build an ECM vehicle and drive it around, but I imagine you'd get busted fast and the thing would be confiscated.

:sneaky: